Amino Acids, which?

[burnthiscorpse]

I havnt used amino acid caps in years. I was thinking of getting back to it. A nice hefty dose while I seriously up my calories during the coming weeks and through my coming cycle.

Basically since there are a million brands....what would be the best bang for the buck? Getting me the most amount of higher dosed caps for a decent price?

 

[Nelson Montana]

I havnt used amino acid caps in years. I was thinking of getting back to it. A nice hefty dose while I seriously up my calories during the coming weeks and through my coming cycle.

Basically since there are a million brands....what would be the best bang for the buck? Getting me the most amount of higher dosed caps for a decent price?

This is the thing with aminos.

In theory, they're a good idea, for 2 reasons...

#1: They can be taken anytime to insure consistent aminos in the bloodstream. And they can be used to increase the amino content of any meal.

And #2: They can use superior protein (such as hydrolized) than can't be used in shakes . (Way too bitter).

The bad side is...

You need to take too many pills.

They tend to be too big.

The protein is most often standard whey, so you might as well get a lot more in a shake.

They're expensive.

So this is what I'm thinking...

Use hydrolyzed protein, along with plasma serum protein to make a SUPER amino cap, concentrating on the aminos geared exclusively for muscle tissue, then add ingredients which will allow for more nitrogen retention. In this way, a single gram is more like FIVE grams.

So taking 5 caps will be like adding another 25 grams of the highest grade protein into your system, anytime, anywhere.

Sound good? That's exactly what I'm doing right now. It should be available in about a month.

 

[Berto2]

Aminos are good, but capsules are way too expensive. Take a look at this list of "grams of total BCAAs per dollar":
BCAAs

Powders top the list. You can go with the raw stuff but Xtend is damned tasty too

 

[burnthiscorpse]

This is the thing with aminos.

In theory, they're a good idea, for 2 reasons...

#1: They can be taken anytime to insure consistent aminos in the bloodstream. And they can be used to increase the amino content of any meal.

And #2: They can use superior protein (such as hydrolized) than can't be used in shakes . (Way too bitter).

The bad side is...

You need to take too many pills.

They tend to be too big.

The protein is most often standard whey, so you might as well get a lot more in a shake.

They're expensive.

So this is what I'm thinking...

Use hydrolyzed protein, along with plasma serum protein to make a SUPER amino cap, concentrating on the aminos geared exclusively for muscle tissue, then add ingredients which will allow for more nitrogen retention. In this way, a single gram is more like FIVE grams.


So taking 5 caps will be like adding another 25 grams of the highest grade protein into your system, anytime, anywhere.

Sound good? That's exactly what I'm doing right now. It should be available in about a month.

No homo , but I think I love you Nelson lol.

Is that what you and Needto are working on????!!!

Thats sick. Hows it shaping up to be price wise and servings per container? Any estimation yet?

 

[Nelson Montana]

No homo , but I think I love you Nelson lol.

Is that what you and Needto are working on????!!!

Thats sick. Hows it shaping up to be price wise and servings per container? Any estimation yet?

We're working on a few things. This is separate from the prolactin supp (which looks really good) and the BRIDGE supp (which is taking a little more negotiating). But it would certain be a nice adjunct to the BRIDGE supp or any PCT.

The amino caps are very "do-able." Can't tell you what the price will be. That's neeto's area, but in accord with both his line and the price EF sells protein factory you can bet it will be the best price possible -- the thinking being , if it's good, it'll sell plenty. It's the crap like Muscletech that people only buy once or twice because they get suckered by big ads and then they stop, so the company charges as uch as possible until the customer catches on. With our stuff, the customers keep coming back! Cause it's good.

I'm looking forward to using these myself. Cool name too, but thaty'll have to reamin a secret for a while.

 

[needtogetaas]

This ones we are doing. It will be a reality for sure. Its set in stone to happen ( at least in my mind). Nelson and I both love the Idea. I was thinking along the lines of a chewable wafer but not sure what form we have to put it in. All I know is its the best idea I have seen in a wile and we are doing it.

 

[cal62887]

I havnt used amino acid caps in years. I was thinking of getting back to it. A nice hefty dose while I seriously up my calories during the coming weeks and through my coming cycle.

Basically since there are a million brands....what would be the best bang for the buck? Getting me the most amount of higher dosed caps for a decent price?

Since you're bulking, i'd keep the BCAA supplements spaced around your workout since I'll assume you'll be eating the rest of the day.

Whey is a good source of Amino Acids however there is a large difference between Free form aminos and AAs found in whey or food. Free form aminos are much more useful on a cut but could be used in conjunction with a bulking regimen especially if you workout in the morning or in a fasted or semi-fasted state.

ICE by Xtreme Formulations is the highest quality BCAAs on the market using Ajinomoto Aminos. Powder is much better than pill as long as it's flavored.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I was just thinking of eating them throughout the day. But doing a big hit before and after workout.




Nelson, Needto, ...chewable wafers would be a cool idea. Especially if there is super plasma protien involved. just dont make em' bananna flavored or something wierd.
Unflavored cardboard taste is quite popular

 

[cal62887]

I was just thinking of eating them throughout the day. But doing a big hit before and after workout.

What about mixed with a carb drink intra-workout. I think you'll notice the benefit of that.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I used to buy carbo force by the case. Thats shit tastes soooooo good. But thats back when a case of 24 was $24.00

I do have a few pounds of glycomaize though. Any recomended amino powders that dont taste like chalk?

What would be a reasonable amount of carbs during w/o? I know the carbo force had 405g of simple carbs. I used to notice a big difference in stamina during w/o with those. Was hard not to slam them right down.

now I have just been drinking water during w/o as always. Taking a lipo flame or two pre w/o I usually drink a half gallon just during w/o

 

[cal62887]

I used to buy carbo force by the case. Thats shit tastes soooooo good. But thats back when a case of 24 was $24.00

I do have a few pounds of glycomaize though. Any recomended amino powders that dont taste like chalk?

What would be a reasonable amount of carbs during w/o? I know the carbo force had 405g of simple carbs. I used to notice a big difference in stamina during w/o with those. Was hard not to slam them right down.

now I have just been drinking water during w/o as always. Taking a lipo flame or two pre w/o I usually drink a half gallon just during w/o

I drink ICE mixed with Cytomax (Bodybuilding.com - CytoSport Cytomax - Sports Energy Drink! On sale now!)

Cytomax all taste incredible. And you definitely don't need that many simple carbs during your workout. I usually go for about 30 gs mixed with the BCAAs. I can post literature that supports Carbs + BCAAs is better than Carbs alone or BCAAs alone.

As for BCAAs, ICE has a subtle taste with higher quality BCAAs than most Amino Acid supps on the market. Xtend tastes good but it can be overwhelming at times. A lot of users experience headaches from the sour taste/amount of sweeteners.

ICE is really, hands down, one of the best BCAA products on the market and you get an incredible amount of servings in one tub.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I drink ICE mixed with Cytomax (Bodybuilding.com - CytoSport Cytomax - Sports Energy Drink! On sale now!)

Cytomax all taste incredible. And you definitely don't need that many simple carbs during your workout. I usually go for about 30 gs mixed with the BCAAs. I can post literature that supports Carbs + BCAAs is better than Carbs alone or BCAAs alone.

As for BCAAs, ICE has a subtle taste with higher quality BCAAs than most Amino Acid supps on the market. Xtend tastes good but it can be overwhelming at times. A lot of users experience headaches from the sour taste/amount of sweeteners.

ICE is really, hands down, one of the best BCAA products on the market and you get an incredible amount of servings in one tub.

Nice....thanks bro

 

[Nelson Montana]

The problem with drinks is that you can't carry them around. They're big and they'll get warm. Also, there's a question taste. Some may love it, some may not. And again, anything with hydrolyzed is going to be bitter. With caps or a thin wafer, just pop a few, anytime and you're done. Me and needto both like this idea and we'll probably chugging them all day long!

It's such a simple concept but what's exciting is now you can flood the system with aminos and THAT is what makes muscles grow. You can have a 50 gram shake but the body only utilizes what it grabs as it goes along. So you only get a portion of it. But if you pop a few caps in between meals, you ALWAYS have a positive nitrogen retention. And for me, who's always on the go, it's great. I can grab a slice of pizza and add a few pills and BOOM, it's a 30-40 gram of protein meal. That's gonna be awesome.

 

[cal62887]

The problem with drinks is that you can't carry them around. They're big and they'll get warm.

Why can't you carry drinks? .. and .. water doesn't lose it's temperature very quickly.

I'm not sure the reasoning behind what you posted above.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Why can't you carry drinks? .. and .. water doesn't lose it's temperature very quickly.

I'm not sure the reasoning behind what you posted above.

To me, it's just simpler. (I also like my drinks ice cold). You can carry a drink in a knapsack each day but a bottle of pills...well, you use what you want and put them back in the bag and forget them and take them out again when you need them. For most people, that's a lot more convenient. Hell, throw a bottle in the glove compartment of your car and they'll stay for months.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

You dont see me anywhere any time without a gallon jug of H2O. Its always at room temperature too. Pisses my wife off "how can you drink that piss?"

I have one of those Giant shake containers and make a 6 scoop shake in the morning with an appropriate amount of milk too. Apx 200g protien. I keep it with me and sip on it all day with meals and in between.

 

[Barch]

This is what I've been waiting for Nelson and Needto... What's the ETA?

 

[needtogetaas]

The problem with drinks is that you can't carry them around. They're big and they'll get warm. Also, there's a question taste. Some may love it, some may not. And again, anything with hydrolyzed is going to be bitter. With caps or a thin wafer, just pop a few, anytime and you're done. Me and needto both like this idea and we'll probably chugging them all day long!

It's such a simple concept but what's exciting is now you can flood the system with aminos and THAT is what makes muscles grow. You can have a 50 gram shake but the body only utilizes what it grabs as it goes along. So you only get a portion of it. But if you pop a few caps in between meals, you ALWAYS have a positive nitrogen retention. And for me, who's always on the go, it's great. I can grab a slice of pizza and add a few pills and BOOM, it's a 30-40 gram of protein meal. That's gonna be awesome.

Ya they should be a lot less filling then slugging back a larg drink. God most everyone is drinking enough as it is. Gallon of water, 3 shakes,another shake for this and another for that.

I like the idea of a wafer better but will see how easy it will be to make it like that. Wafers used to be all the rave a long time ago to. I remember my old man used to chew some chocolate body builder wafer all the time. I would eat one every now and then. Think I was like 8. I liked the taste of it what ever it was. Protein wafer I think. Even as a kid I would pop on in chew it up and it was gone in seconds. Be trying to steal another lol..

 

[burnthiscorpse]

The only thing I actually like about drinking shit all day is that it makes me feel full. Wierd?
If i feel fuller, i'm not feeling like I'm starving to death.
When I eat, like a few minutes ago, I had 10 oz of ground beef with a load of fresh garlic. 20 minutes later I feel like I am starving to death. Its the same with every meal no matter what I eat. After I eat I'm even hungrier than before.

 

[bigtravis]

go get Twin Labs bulk bottle. Best and money wise.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

you mean the amino 2000 ones? They arent gigantic horse pills are they? Are they solid or caps? if they are caps thats fine.
I might pick up a few bottles till Needto and Nelson's deal comes out.

 

[Nelson Montana]

This is what I've been waiting for Nelson and Needto... What's the ETA?

It's essentially ready to go but there are some technicalities to take care of -- labeling, packaging, distribution, etc.

There's nothing wrong with using drinks but this product will offer other advantages. Like needto said, we all drink so much stuff throughout the day. And besides, the protein in this product will be far superior to what you can get in any drink.

As it stands, BIG BLAST is the absolute best protein you can get. Anywhere.

The protein in this product will be even better.

 

[needtogetaas]

Just do it.

 

[Nelson Montana]

you mean the amino 2000 ones? They arent gigantic horse pills are they? Are they solid or caps? if they are caps thats fine.
I might pick up a few bottles till Needto and Nelson's deal comes out.

I can't swallow those things! They're too big and too hard. (Wait a minute -- this sounds like the dialogue to a porn film).

Seriously, tablets that don't completely break down made from whey and casein? Hardly worth the effort and expense.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Yeah, when I was like 16 I got those universal (I think it was) mega aminos, they were like the size of a sugar cube. If they are large solid tabs, then no fucking way. I can do caps anywhere up to the 000 size. But not solid tabs.

So we are talkin a month or so on this stuff from you guys?

 

[burnthiscorpse]

As it stands, BIG BLAST is the absolute best protein you can get. Anywhere

I know the deal with big blast. But is a pound of BB with 10% siper plasma better than the pound of actual super plasma protien I saw on protein factory? It was like $35.00 a lb or something. Not that I'm implying its better cause its more $$ just saying. Even if it were the greatest thing on the planet it doesnt seem cost effective to justify $30+ a lb.
I saw in another post of yours that someone was now selling it for $60 lb. Thats a laugh right there.

 

[bigtravis]

you mean the amino 2000 ones? They arent gigantic horse pills are they? Are they solid or caps? if they are caps thats fine.
I might pick up a few bottles till Needto and Nelson's deal comes out.

No it's the big liquid bottles.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I know the deal with big blast. But is a pound of BB with 10% siper plasma better than the pound of actual super plasma protien I saw on protein factory? It was like $35.00 a lb or something. Not that I'm implying its better cause its more $$ just saying. Even if it were the greatest thing on the planet it doesnt seem cost effective to justify $30+ a lb.
I saw in another post of yours that someone was now selling it for $60 lb. Thats a laugh right there.

I do think BB is better with only a portion being SPP. Of course, the price is more resonable. And honestly, the taste is better with the blend of proteins. Also, there's benefit to cross filtered and egg. CF is very quickly digested, egg is slow and contains good fats and good cholestrol. (Which is necessary to make testosterone). Also dextrose and hydrolyzed rice syrup give a good taste and mouth feel and shuttle it into the muscles faster. The creatine and NO2 is a way of putting on weight without added carories. So all in all, there's a reason it is the way it is.

The new supp will have more than 10% SPP. But will also have protein FRACTION PEPTIDES which are every bit as good as SPP but in a different way. It's a far more concentrated form of aminos. We really want to cover all the basis and I think we really hit the nail on the head. I feel really good about it.

 

[needtogetaas]

I do think BB is better with only a portion being SPP. Of course, the price is more resonable. And honestly, the taste is better with the blend of proteins. Also, there's benefit to cross filtered and egg. CF is very quickly digested, egg is slow and contains good fats and good cholestrol. (Which is necessary to make testosterone). Also dextrose and hydrolyzed rice syrup give a good taste and mouth feel and shuttle it into the muscles faster. The creatine and NO2 is a way of putting on weight without added carories. So all in all, there's a reason it is the way it is.

The new supp will have more than 10% SPP. But will also have protein FRACTION PEPTIDES which are every bit as good as SPP but in a different way. It's a far more concentrated form of aminos. We really want to cover all the basis and I think we really hit the nail on the head. I feel really good about it.

Me to bro. I like this one the best so far. I need to talk with a few manufacturers (My main man first) see if how fast we can make this one happen. I am dead set on this one. Just need to get on with the leg work.

I want a bad ass name for this one too.