Am I doing the 5x5 wrong?

[blut wump]

There are dozens of guys on here who can testify to the efficacy of this routine and its variants.

If you have good and interesting routines, please post them up. This forum is mostly about learning and sharing info.

 

[raze]

raze, your view is perfectly reasonable for someone who hasn't tried something like this before. That's a full body workout three times per week, only using the big compound movements, not going to failure and trying to add a small amount (2-3%) of weight each week.

Try it for a few weeks. You've nothing to lose and I think you'll be surprised. Here's a starting point:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4497774&postcount=15

when i hit a plateau ill be sure to give it a try!

 

[Guinness5.0]

the biggest thing with body building in general is broken promises and lies. this program wil add ... or this supplement does this and that and will pack on.... its like the majority of personal trainers, they have a piece of paper that say im qualified and yet they probably couldnt lift half what you can.

you always read this sort of shit like what you wrote "I added about 35 pounds of bodyweight" go have a look in the anabolic steroids section and see how much some of the other boys are putting on. you will find alot of them are putting on roughly what these "natural?" body builders are and THERE USING ANABOLIC STEROIDS. something wrong aye lol. how can someone naturally keep up with someone on the juice?

sure some of these guys say this guy has put on 35 pounds of muscle but they picked someone who has probably never trained in there life and can easily add a few kilos in a small amount of time.

if you would like me 2 email you a couple of diff programs send me a message with your email addy and you can hopefully make a more educated decision on what YOU think is best

Homey, pardon my curtness but this post pretty much defines irony.

You're calling out this program as a BS marketing claim when in fact it's probably the most reliable, time tested program for putting size/strength on intermediate lifters. A legend in the strength training world (Bill Starr) put this together. What are your credentials? Magazine subscriptions?

This is why newbs should read the forums a bit before they post.

razE, post up some routines. It should make for some fun discussion.

 

[rbtrout]

Amen to that. I'm one to attest to the fact that the 5x5 works (dual factor). I didn't put on huge gains of size because I only ate to gain during the last half of the routine. I've tried tons of routines and this one did the best for me.
start finish
Squats (atf) 185# 305#
Bent Rows 125# 195#
Bench press 230# 295#
Deads 200# 415#
Military press 105# 175#

It's a very good routine. After 2 weeks in to the program, I wasn't sore much at all. A bit on the legs after Monday, but not so that I can hardly walk. Soreness comes from not using the muscle in the way you are used to OR with the intensity. Try doing a bunch of different types of an exercise that you don't normally do. That body part will be sore from different movements, not cause of the intensity.
Please post some of your routines, I'd like to see them.

 

[raze]

Homey, pardon my curtness but this post pretty much defines irony.

You're calling out this program as a BS marketing claim when in fact it's probably the most reliable, time tested program for putting size/strength on intermediate lifters. A legend in the strength training world (Bill Starr) put this together. What are your credentials? Magazine subscriptions?

This is why newbs should read the forums a bit before they post.

razE, post up some routines. It should make for some fun discussion.

if you could read again guinness,

the biggest thing with body building in general is broken promises and lies. this program wil add ... or this supplement does this and that and will pack on.... its like the majority of personal trainers, they have a piece of paper that say im qualified and yet they probably couldnt lift half what you can.

i said "the biggest thing with body building in GENERAL is broken promises and lies.". surely you cant be arguing that. Maybe you could tell us all how to put the weight on we want as fast as other steroids users?

Oh yea when did i make any comment on this program saying anything along these lines. "You're calling out this program as a BS marketing claim" ?

i dont think this was as you put it "This is why newbs should read the forums a bit before they post." i think it was a case of someone asuming to much or just "speed reading".

 

[Guinness5.0]

There is some history to the 5x5 and this board.

It's been popularized here due to overwhelming support that it works. It's almost the antithesis of the hype one reads in mags, supp ads, etc. Your post sounds as though you are referring to this program as another "brick in the wall" (sorry for the melodramatic reference) in terms of bogus claims. You imply that you know another routine that's better/comparable. While I'm not so shortsighted as to say that would be impossible, I would suspect it rather unlikely. If I read it wrong then I'm sorry, but that's what it looks like to me.

Your numerous AAS references show that you haven't read much on the 5x5 (not here anyway) b/c the guy who we credit for popularizing this program has made it clear that part of his motivation in doing so was the startling number of people who plateau due to shitty programs and minimal solid training info and subsequently use AAS. So your anti-steroid comments are preaching to the choir.

That's why newbs should read- you need a frame of reference for where the board in general is at.

And me and steroids? I haven't poked since feb. Since that time I've actually improved (or at minimum equalled) my "assisted" strength simply by learning and applying the stuff I've learned. Here's a journal of how my first 5x5 went (it's different than the one Ellinghad is using- I'd be happy to explain the diff. or link the articles that explain dual-factor theory if you're not already familiar with it):

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=399754

This post is the cliff ntoes version I guess :

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5071295&postcount=90

 

[raze]

There is some history to the 5x5 and this board.

It's been popularized here due to overwhelming support that it works. It's almost the antithesis of the hype one reads in mags, supp ads, etc. Your post sounds as though you are referring to this program as another "brick in the wall" (sorry for the melodramatic reference) in terms of bogus claims. You imply that you know another routine that's better/comparable. While I'm not so shortsighted as to say that would be impossible, I would suspect it rather unlikely. If I read it wrong then I'm sorry, but that's what it looks like to me.

Your numerous AAS references show that you haven't read much on the 5x5 (not here anyway) b/c the guy who we credit for popularizing this program has made it clear that part of his motivation in doing so was the startling number of people who plateau due to shitty programs and minimal solid training info and subsequently use AAS. So your anti-steroid comments are preaching to the choir.

That's why newbs should read- you need a frame of reference for where the board in general is at.

And me and steroids? I haven't poked since feb. Since that time I've actually improved (or at minimum equalled) my "assisted" strength simply by learning and applying the stuff I've learned. Here's a journal of how my first 5x5 went (it's different than the one Ellinghad is using- I'd be happy to explain the diff. or link the articles that explain dual-factor theory if you're not already familiar with it):

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=399754

This post is the cliff ntoes version I guess :

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5071295&postcount=90

Not a drama . Just to make sure we are on the same level on the 5x5 program, i have nothing against the program as i havnt never tried it yet. i sent ellinghad some other interesting articles/programs so he could see some other points of view. at the end of the day you put into practice what you read and see what works best for you!

i poke in 3 or so weeks (1st time ^_^!) looking forward to it!

if your still looking for a digital camera Guinness try ebay! they got some nicely priced camera's

 

[blut wump]

In case anyone's yet to find it, here's the forum sticky on training methods.