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Three questions :

#1 If you are not Plat, what is the reason why?

#2 If you are not Plat, what is something that *I* can do to make you consider becoming Plat?

#3 If you are not Plat, what is something *EF* can do to make you consider becoming Plat?

Serious questions here. There are really no wrong answers. No flaming responses here either.

If you need to PM me in private about your reasons, do so. I am open to all suggestions, criticisms, and complaints.
 
This is an interesting thread - I will be checking it too.
 
I'll give karma to anyone who buys a plat membership today.
 
If we had another section only plats could see that incorporated TSC I'd become plat...that's the only reason I would ever become plat, to know without a doubt if I was about to be ripped off or not.
 
jwo02 said:
If we had another section only plats could see that incorporated TSC I'd become plat...that's the only reason I would ever become plat, to know without a doubt if I was about to be ripped off or not.
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well, we dnt discuss sources on EF, so thats not going to happen, and thats why the source check is a sponser here....

Would you be interested if there was a deal on getting a plat membership and TSC membership at a good bundle price?
 
I've been a non plat member for several years. I've learned an amazing amount of information in that time and helped out other members when I could.

I've supported many of the sponsors and recommended them to others when appropriate. I just don't see what going plat would do for me other than allow me to see full size pics in postings. Maybe I just don't fully understand the benefits of platinum membership.
 
housemusik83 said:
money is tight right now that is the only reason... when things get better financially i will def get on board asap...
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There are special deals and discount codes that you can get from EF Frank that could make buying a plat membership as cheap as buying a chocolate bar.

PM me for details bro.
 
viciousness said:
Ahhh so much stuff to say, not enough flaming to say it lol
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Send me a PM. Just lay it on me. No worries about saying the wrong thing, no worries about me repeating anything. Just me and you. No pressure to change your mind. Just want to hear your reason(s).
 
1. I am a full time student who's money is spread to thin as it is. I am a member of other boards but pay for none of them as I can't justify the small expense.
2. Make it affordable for me.
3. "" I once spent the money I was going to use on a plat membership on a book from EF...the secrets to mail order success, and was very disappointed, I thought the book was all common sense and not worth 5 bucks, and certainly not worth the hefty price tag.

Those are my honest answers.
 
The subscription business model for information is pretty much dead. Newspapers and magazines are dying because information "wants to be free." Unless you have VERY unique information (think WallstreetJournal.com) then a subscription model doesn't make sense.

As great as EF is, the information isn't all that unique. It's a great community and a board with great features, but there just isn't enough here to justify the Plat membership. The best part of the membership is ones ability to search. However, all pages seem to be indexed by Google, meaning anyone that digs a bit can manipulate the Google to return only results from EF. Even better, you can create your own Google based search engine and index EF along with other BB sites and search them all for free.

My guess is that Plat membership sales make up about 8% of total revenue. This is typical of vertical sites like EF. How many more pageviews could be generated if the internal search and other Plat features were free? Membership revenue could easily be replaced by the additional advertising inventory.

I support the site by buying supplements almost exclusively from board sponsors. Perhaps there should be a points system that allows EF members to earn Plat membership and EF gear (hats, shirts, whatever) based on how much they buy from participating sponsors. However, any good SEO/SEM e-marketer would tell you to dump the Plat system and move to a 100% advertising supported business model.
 
nydj66 said:
I've been a non plat member for several years. I've learned an amazing amount of information in that time and helped out other members when I could.

I've supported many of the sponsors and recommended them to others when appropriate. I just don't see what going plat would do for me other than allow me to see full size pics in postings. Maybe I just don't fully understand the benefits of platinum membership.
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search function

you can research at will in an endless database

seriously TONS and TONS of info tucked away here
 
Bro's become a Platinum member. My feeliing when I joined was that I knew that the information I recieved off of this site was valuable to me. I asked myself if I'm recieving valuable information from this site why should'nt I help support it. It's not that much money, I have easily gotten my money's worth.

Just my two cents.
 
79steeler said:
Bro's become a Platinum member. My feeliing when I joined was that I knew that the information I recieved off of this site was valuable to me. I asked myself if I'm recieving valuable information from this site why should'nt I help support it. It's not that much money, I have easily gotten my money's worth.

Just my two cents.
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I agree that the info is valuable. However, the question is why aren't more users Plats?

If this were the 90s the pay for info model would work a little better. The reason people aren't Plats is that there is so much info available for free and nothing here is seen as unique. It's worth "a lot" just not worth cash money to most because we've been conditioned to believe that information is free.

The key today is traffic and audience. It seems that the audience here has shrunk over the past year or so. This devalues the site more than fewer users paying for a membership.

The fact is that the most valuable asset EF has is it's membership base - total Unique Visitors, Pageviews and registered users. The Plats are just gravy...

That all said, a combined membership offer of SourceCheck and EF Plat membership would be unique.
 
sicilian2579 said:
I def would become a plat member if there was a way to test drive it first for a month or even a couple weeks to c what its about
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How about a week free trial???

A Plat Membership is a small price to pay to keep this great site up and running. It is very inexpensive and the extra features are well worth it.
 
nydj66 said:
I've been a non plat member for several years. I've learned an amazing amount of information in that time and helped out other members when I could.

I've supported many of the sponsors and recommended them to others when appropriate. I just don't see what going plat would do for me other than allow me to see full size pics in postings. Maybe I just don't fully understand the benefits of platinum membership.
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This is a good point bro. I am sure others feel you on this. You do get a lot more out of plat though.

Plat search so you can search years of post. 11+ years of post. I also like to be able to find a thread. Some times a rmember seeing a thread 2 years ago and I want to see it again. If not for plat search I would never find it.

Karma. Ya not for every one but it is fun. I am here on ef almost all day long. So I like to have fun as well as learn. Karma makes it a little funner. I can share it with my friends, bomb an asshole. Give out a free plat and help out a new member. Play in the karma bookie and much much more.

Ads. Hell every site has its adds. There is a hell of a lot more ads when you are a non plat. As a plat I can turn off most of the ads.

More pm's. I guess for me this is very big considering as a non plat you can only hold 50 pm's at a time. I get over that amount in a day. If you are a active member in the ef community you prob get just as many pm's as I doo.


Giving back to the site. This site gives so much. The people give so much. They help each other so much. So when I get a little extra cash I like to give it to the site to help keep it around.

Pics. I can see all the members pics man. I like to not just talk to people but get to know them,see them. Its nice when you can put a face to the screen name. I like to see the pics of there progress as well. It gives me a bit of motivation and I can also give them some to.

not having to wait between post. As a plat I have a hell of a lot less wait time between posts.




I want to stress the fact that its ok to be non plat. No one is going to like you less around here. Or help you any less. I know I sure wont. You can get involved with the site in many many ways. It does not mean you love the site any less then the next guy.

You may not have the money. You may just like being non plat (I know I don't). You may think its not for you. all of this is fine. We all love ef and we all give to ef the best we can.

I feel going plat is just one more way to enjoy the site and the company of people that come here each and every day. Going plat give to this site and it also give more to the members around me. It also gives to me. Its just one of my things here on ef and I love it.

I love it so much I want others to share it with me. So I give free plats to others when I can. I try to get people real good deals on going plat and make it as cheap as I can for them. Its just another great part of the site.

You can take part in it or not. I will still love ya just the same. So will the others. Give it a shot though if you have never had it. Once you have had it for as long as I have you will see just what I am talking about.
 
2evil said:
The subscription business model for information is pretty much dead. Newspapers and magazines are dying because information "wants to be free." Unless you have VERY unique information (think WallstreetJournal.com) then a subscription model doesn't make sense.

As great as EF is, the information isn't all that unique. It's a great community and a board with great features, but there just isn't enough here to justify the Plat membership. The best part of the membership is ones ability to search. However, all pages seem to be indexed by Google, meaning anyone that digs a bit can manipulate the Google to return only results from EF. Even better, you can create your own Google based search engine and index EF along with other BB sites and search them all for free.

My guess is that Plat membership sales make up about 8% of total revenue. This is typical of vertical sites like EF. How many more pageviews could be generated if the internal search and other Plat features were free? Membership revenue could easily be replaced by the additional advertising inventory.

I support the site by buying supplements almost exclusively from board sponsors. Perhaps there should be a points system that allows EF members to earn Plat membership and EF gear (hats, shirts, whatever) based on how much they buy from participating sponsors. However, any good SEO/SEM e-marketer would tell you to dump the Plat system and move to a 100% advertising supported business model.
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Or keep the plat but make just the search part free?
 
I was Plat forever. I think it's a great idea for newbies because you can search, but to be honest I just don't want to pay $11 a month to use the search function. When I want to search there are other sites I go to, and I have a lot of threads bookmarked or I'm subscribed to them.

To put things in perspective, Jeep Forum which is much larger than this site if I'm not mistaken is only $29 a year, or $150 for a lifetime membership. For $30 a year I would keep my plat, and with the number of members (170k I think Frank told me) I think the owners of the site would be doing just fine.

My original point is that if you are new to steroids, plat is the way to go because the majority of the good info needs to be searched for. I also think paying to search is ridiculous. Sorry if that sounded like a rant but it kind of was.
 
AAP said:
Three questions :

#1 If you are not Plat, what is the reason why?

#2 If you are not Plat, what is something that *I* can do to make you consider becoming Plat?

#3 If you are not Plat, what is something *EF* can do to make you consider becoming Plat?

Serious questions here. There are really no wrong answers. No flaming responses here either.

If you need to PM me in private about your reasons, do so. I am open to all suggestions, criticisms, and complaints.
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1) I was plat for about a year or so when I was spending hours a day on the site. The best feature about being plat was being able to use the search tool effectively. A tool most any/every forum on the internet gives you for free. Now, I'm more knowledgeable and it isn't worth my money to spend on that search tool anymore.

2/3) The only way I'd consider becoming plat again is if I found myself on EF for a large portion of my time again and felt I wanted to give back to the community.
Or, there was some product bundled with plat that made it worth my while to pick up the service, such as discounts with the sponsors like AG, GPZ (I believe GPZ is a sponsor), or SourceCheck (or whatever that new sponsor is).

Otherwise, my occasional question I have can usually be answered with a quick search/post within the plethora of bodybuilding sites out there.

When I come to EF, I can't help but to feel like there's a lot of folks here trying to sell me things I don't necessarily need for, what seems to me, an outrageous amount of money.

On the other hand, the absolute *best* thing about EF is the extremely knowledgeable people that do post on these boards, which are often the same people trying to make a living off those products.

Give and take I suppose.

I'm uncertain what the best route for EF to take is.
 
cydex01 said:
1) I was plat for about a year or so when I was spending hours a day on the site. The best feature about being plat was being able to use the search tool effectively. A tool most any/every forum on the internet gives you for free. Now, I'm more knowledgeable and it isn't worth my money to spend on that search tool anymore.

2/3) The only way I'd consider becoming plat again is if I found myself on EF for a large portion of my time again and felt I wanted to give back to the community.
Or, there was some product bundled with plat that made it worth my while to pick up the service, such as discounts with the sponsors like AG, GPZ (I believe GPZ is a sponsor), or SourceCheck (or whatever that new sponsor is).

Otherwise, my occasional question I have can usually be answered with a quick search/post within the plethora of bodybuilding sites out there.

When I come to EF, I can't help but to feel like there's a lot of folks here trying to sell me things I don't necessarily need for, what seems to me, an outrageous amount of money.

On the other hand, the absolute *best* thing about EF is the extremely knowledgeable people that do post on these boards, which are often the same people trying to make a living off those products.

Give and take I suppose.

I'm uncertain what the best route for EF to take is.
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I concur. Too many ads. With so many sponsors I think everything should be free. I think there is a little bit of greed going on at the top at this point. Yeah there is a lot of knowledge but 90% of these guys post elsewhere where I can search for free.
 
i love being plat..it sucks waiting 10 minutes before posting again...
search function has helped me alot..
its hard to stay off this site...educated about steriods or no...
i love helping members on this board.
 
the 600 seconds... i think thats 10 minutes lol.. thats what i had when i wasnt plat... i wouldnt let me post in a thread for 600 seconds
 
been a free member for months and found some worthwile things [tsc]but when you
have had sponsers in the past we all knew were scammers and some of the slanted advertising why would I spend money to look at pictures? ANd supplements- give me a break - eating well and shops such as gnc and the like will do close if not as well-
I really like the site and the reference to tsc was great but there is also to much in fighting with people who would not associate with each other in the real world.
 
Ok, what about a rewards type program. Like Plat members receive 5% off orders from our sponsors on here.

Maybe a random drawing once a month for only Plat members that result in winning something. (no gear) Like protein powder, sample packs, tshirts, etc..
 
needtogetaas said:
Or keep the plat but make just the search part free?
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Maybe. But that would likely kill the whole idea of being plat. Think of it like this: advertising is sold around content. 99% of EF content is hidden from the masses because the site isn't searchable.

EF should run an experiment. Make search and photo viewing free for a week. Traffic will likely double. That should prove to the site owners that the site has a greater revenue potential with an entirely advertising based business model than this hybrid approach.

You will obviously have some fences to mend with life time plats, however. Depending on what CPM your charging advertisers such traffic growth should far eccede whatever your plat revenue is. How many plats are there?

Another advantage is that more users will link to more, older posts. More inbound links from other sites means greater search engine visibility and PageRank which generates more traffic, unique visitors, pageviews, etc.
 
These are some excellent points on this thread.

Elitefitness has the largest database of information, expirementation, and discussions related to AAS, training, and diet that can be found on the internet. The search feature is a valuable option for any member.

When I first joined, this was back in the days that a lot of things most members now take for granted was first being discovered. Ranger, Jeff_rys, and a bunch of others had basically turned themselves into human projects to dabble with new compounds like DNP, PGFGF2a, etc..

You can search from posts about 2000 and 2001 and spend a week reading those alone.

Elitefitness also has brought you some of the best sponsors to emerge on the internet landscape. Most of them got their first start right here on EF from the very beginning. Primordorial Performance is an excellent example of this.

The point of this thread was to find a way to reward loyal Plat Members for their support here and also find a way to encourage new members to become Plat as well. Karma and crowns are great, but sometimes a real world benefit helps out a great deal too.

Which is why I was seeing if perhaps benefits like a discount on the sponsors products for Plat Members here and such would appeal to most Non Plat members and persuade them to give the Plat features a try.

Is there anything else that can be done?
 
AAP said:
These are some excellent points on this thread.

Elitefitness has the largest database of information, expirementation, and discussions related to AAS, training, and diet that can be found on the internet. The search feature is a valuable option for any member.

When I first joined, this was back in the days that a lot of things most members now take for granted was first being discovered. Ranger, Jeff_rys, and a bunch of others had basically turned themselves into human projects to dabble with new compounds like DNP, PGFGF2a, etc..

You can search from posts about 2000 and 2001 and spend a week reading those alone.

Elitefitness also has brought you some of the best sponsors to emerge on the internet landscape. Most of them got their first start right here on EF from the very beginning. Primordorial Performance is an excellent example of this.

The point of this thread was to find a way to reward loyal Plat Members for their support here and also find a way to encourage new members to become Plat as well. Karma and crowns are great, but sometimes a real world benefit helps out a great deal too.

Which is why I was seeing if perhaps benefits like a discount on the sponsors products for Plat Members here and such would appeal to most Non Plat members and persuade them to give the Plat features a try.

Is there anything else that can be done?
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AAP: Discounts for Plat members would likely be moderately successful. However, I made the posts I made because I really like EF and want it to be as successful as possible.

Informational websites and their business models are something I study professionally and am passionate about.

It seems that there is a great deal of content available that most visitors will never see because of the mindset that information is free. You can try changing that mindset (as many have tried) or monetize the enormous database through adverting.

Hell, even the New York Times has abandoned their pay for play model.

On another note, from looking at some third party tools it looks like EF has lost about half of it's traffic since the redesign. Is that correct?
 
I indirectly support the site by buying all my supplements from sponsors or recommendations on this board.

However, I do feel like this site has become rampant with board members trying to push their products that I'm starting to doubt the validity of anyone's claims on this site.

Also, I'm still a little paranoid about directly supporting a site associated with illegal drug use.

I apologize if anyone takes offense to this.
 
blz said:
I indirectly support the site by buying all my supplements from sponsors or recommendations on this board.

However, I do feel like this site has become rampant with board members trying to push their products that I'm starting to doubt the validity of anyone's claims on this site.

Also, I'm still a little paranoid about directly supporting a site associated with illegal drug use.

I apologize if anyone takes offense to this.
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um excuse me I take great offense. Lol jk.

I am saving for neeeed2s program for my next cycle of completely legal herbal supplements. But I do enjoy EF. k. be back in 6 million seconds.
 
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