All Dermacream users and Sustain users Give updates :)

GLEN · Apr 25, 2007

Feedback on Derma and those who have now been on for more than 4 weeks or ran through it all and got to see the full results-
I know we have a few threads goin on this but I wanted to get a update from the bro's on here who are on-

GLEN · Apr 25, 2007

wow must be worth it-

GLEN · Apr 26, 2007

derma users must have all died

Stallbro · Apr 26, 2007

It's called "Dermacrine". I have been off the original for about a month. I'm one of the guys who would say it's effects were mild. No "kick" or noticable increase in libido. I saw moderate strength and energy gains.

njmuscleguy · Apr 26, 2007

I actually did feel a "kick" and did see an increase in libido from both the original Dermacrine and Sustain... energy and strength did go down a bit, but I expected that... the good thing is that Derma prevented energy and strength from going down alot.... it's been keeping me somewhat more motivated at the gym whereas otherwise my workouts would be crap during / after PCT

worldclass · Apr 26, 2007

I saw a lot posts about it a few weeks ago. Most those people didn't die but they were removed from the board. So I guess that's the same thing in some respects.

GLEN · Apr 26, 2007

lol, why were they removed- im gonna try the sustain for 4 wks and give update-

GLEN · Apr 26, 2007

sorry- Dermacrine

Triple J · Apr 26, 2007

i feel some anabolic effect but no big kick. sex drive nothing special. derma sustain. its good enuf i'll probably get another bottle though. or i may try myogenx and see what that does. come to think of it, isn't about time for another cycle?

GLEN · Apr 26, 2007

lol- I got the sustain on the way- I am hoping for a kick in testical size and sex boost and some energy atleast-

Unleashed/Myo stack
next- for me to

needtogetaas · Apr 27, 2007

worldclass said:
I saw a lot posts about it a few weeks ago. Most those people didn't die but they were removed from the board. So I guess that's the same thing in some respects.

ya saw post made by people that have never used it yet feel the need to talk about it as badly as they can......

needtogetaas · Apr 27, 2007

I used derma reg and I got a huge kick from it in all aspects....I will be using it again and again as for derma sustain I want to try this to and most likely I will in the near future..

needtogetaas · Apr 27, 2007

SpyWizard · Apr 27, 2007

3/13/2007 started Dermacrine 16 days after last test e injection

Saliva test taken 8:00 am
40 pumps upper body, shoulders, upper arms
Sense of wellbeing that lasted until 3pm
Serious energy crash 4:30 took a nap

3/14/2007

40 pumps upper body, shoulders upper arms, neck
Sense of wellbeing
Took thermogenic am and pm
No energy crash

3/15

Holy mother of all morning wood… standing tall and looking good..
40 pumps upper body 12:00
Felt really good all day, and into the evening
No crash

3/17
Chased and caught the wife 3 times this weekend, she insists that I either find something that will boost her libido this much, or well, she didn’t really give me any other choice.. It’s been a long long time since I felt this amorous and it’s not her, it’s more me, and getting older and not recovering from cycles enough.. but hey, it’s working now..

3/18
Wife came up prego today, results were positive 2 days in a row… we’ve been trying for 6 yrs to get pregnant, so it just seems like the timing is weird.. in a good way

3/19
Seems that if I delay putting on the product later in the morning, the effects last me longer, or rather I don’t seem to have an energy crash later in the day, I am going to start messing with my diet more to see if that has an effect..
Sleep is very good, sound and 7-9 hours normally, lots of dreams and I am waking up 2x per night to urinate.
Did I mention that I am horny all the time??

Gym has been ok, I normally use Amplify 02 for my pre workout and I have been avoiding using it during this 1st week, not as much energy, and no strength loss, but not increasing weights or reps… that’s kind of weird, as in I seem to be stagnant, but at least I am not falling off in my strength like I have in the past doing pct.

Motivation is good, not great… weird thing I noticed today, I seem to be vascular, more so than when I finished the cycle, I will continue to observe or see if I get any sides that I normally get while in pct..

Nipples are fine, a little puffy, but no big deal, not tender so there doesn’t seem to be any rebound effect from too much estrogen.

Ok, did my normal back routine tonight, broke down and added back into the mix my normal 10 caps of Amplify 02… after being off it for 1 week I have to say I missed it allot. Intense routine back/bi with leg extensions and calves thrown in to keep me fresh.

Observation thus far, I like the product allot, testicle size is increasing, during sex my testicles would migrate into my body cavity (remember I was finishing a cycle), this weekend, they no longer fit anymore..

3/21

Shoulders and light chest today...

Holy crap, the strength gains... I did 75 lb db for 20 reps on the 3rd set.. 60% incline press (hits more of the front shoulder/delts and chest) 5th exercise..

My normal max weight for this exercise is 55 for 20 in this routine..

I am going to continue experimenting with additional weight in my normal routines and will update..

3/22

Sitting here this morning, I just noticed I am bouncing my legs… now that might not seem like anything to you all, but it is something I am known for throughout my family as it is just nervous energy.. I have not eaten breakfast yet, and I can’t stop the leg dance.. Test hormone levels are at their highest 1st thing in the morning.. hmmmm

3/27/07

Strength is up across the board, every exercise, recovery is fast as in it feels like I can work legs eod if I wanted..
I’ve been sick the past 3 days… I usually get sick 1x per year normally in Jan or feb, I develop Bronchitis, sinus infection, severe sore throat, that fills my lungs, then an infection, normally recover in 3-4 weeks.

I continued use of Dermacrine, 40 pumps in the am after a shower… The strange thing that has been noted, is the 1st symptom that was noted was the congestion in the chest, (this has never happened before) sinus and sore throat has not developed, just the chest problems. Wen to the doc today, and sure enough it is Severe Infectious Bronchitis, she prescribe anti-biotics and rest with plenty of water intake..

Now, with this information laid out, I do not feel sick. I’m not tired, dehydrated, and I don’t feel worn out. I am not working out right now (I’m no fool) but this is very strange. My assumption is my immune system although allowed me to develop the Bronchitis (I had pleurisy as a child so this type of infection is normal for me) I am not getting worse, and I am in fact recovering very quickly. I have to assume it is the Dermacrine for I am not taking anything else...

3/28/07

So, it’s been 2 weeks using this product, as noted I am currently in an active PCT (post cycle therapy) I took the 2nd saliva test today and sent it off.

I have to wonder after using this product, how it would effect someone that had not used aas before. I also have to ponder the possibility of this product being used 1 month on and 1 month off in a cyclic protocol. I also wonder if it could be used as an HRT type format replacing the necessity of injectable test all together. So many question and so little time.

Anyway, I have to say I am very impressed not only with the product, but with the responsiveness of the company. If you can believe it or not, I called the 800 # and after asking to speak to the man himself, he actually answered the phone. Yep, no voice mail for me, and they didn’t even ask who was calling. I had some questions that we discussed in regards to a possible issue with my nips being swollen, after some discussion we (meaning I) determined it was probably the 3iu of GH that I was using. I stopped the use of the GH, and sure enough they flattened right back out.

Some have described their experience as running a light cycle, I would have to agree to a point. I wouldn’t suggest that you would add 10-15 lbs of mass running this product no matter your diet, but if you wanted to run a caloric restrictive routine while running this product it would probably allow you to do so with little to no loss of muscle.

Still showing an increase in strength, I’m doing a high rep low weight, but I just had to see how far I could go, so I put up 80 lb db for 14 reps today, on the incline bench as the 3rd set of 4. This was after doing 4 other exercises for the upper body. So, the plan is during the 4th week, I will attempt to do a 3 rep max lift on all my exercises to see where I end up..

Then 2 weeks after I stop using Dermacrine I will do the same exercises. That will be a different test for everyone..

3/31/07

Yesterday I slept late 9:30, and had to rush to a doc appointment with the wife, didn’t make it home until 3:30, did some work around the house and realized I hadn’t used the Dermacrine that day. So I hopped into the shower at about 5:00, exfoliated, and used 40 squirts. Took my amplify 02 8 caps and went to the gym at 7:30. Finished there about 9:00, went home pwo shake, and a late meal steak/potato boiled.

I share this with you because I could not go to sleep until 4:00am… it was brutal, I usually would have doped myself with Tylenol pm, or Nyquil if I think I am having some issues with sleep, but next thing I know it is 4:00am.. crap.. At least my nice wife let me sleep until 11:00 this morning and brought me breakfast in bed..
4/4

Ok, got over my cold, have been working out throughout the ordeal, did not notice any strength loss, some recovery issues were noted, as in it takes me a little longer to recover, but I will chalk that up to loss of fluids and lack of sleep.

Strength is up 15-30%, as an example my incline DB is now at 85 x 20 at the beginning, I am taking some time to rest, and will post all of my max lifts on the different routines, I’m sure I will be getting the 100’s up before the end of this experiment.

I did introduce Venom to the mix and have dropped Amplify 02 as a pre workout, this is in part to I want to see how much the Amplify 02 is effecting the strength gains and energy levels. The only real issue with Venom is it will kill your appetite, if you are on AAS that’s ok if you are cutting, but otherwise I’m not a big believer in starving..

4/5

Ok, more info probably more than you want to know, testicular size is definitely up, to the point that they do not enter into the body cavity just before ejaculation.

Does this mean that sperm production is up?? No, volume of ejaculate is up, meaning increased, but unless I go for a sperm count I won’t know, and since I just got the wife prego.. I’m not going to do that..

I would really like to see someone that has not done a cycle in 6 months try this product as a stand alone, and give a review, that is my big ??? how they would respond..

4/9

Alright, leaner, better recovery, strength up.. and now this.. not sure how to put it..

while on a cycle, I will have a diminished production of ejaculate, now, after 3 weeks, I’m producing like I am 25 yrs old again.. I know, Too much information..

But the point is this product was originally designed to be used during a PCT (post cycle therapy ) but the use of this product is showing great promise in helping in development of natural muscle, and re balancing hormone levels in older males.

There are a couple of women that are currently running this product (at a much lower dose) and are getting great results.

4/10/07

Results from saliva test pre application of the Dermicine dated 3/13/07
Estrone (saliva) 1.9 pg/ml 0-3.0 range Normal
Testosterone (saliva) 286pg/ml 44-148 (age dependent) High
DHEAS (saliva) 11.7pg/ml 2-23 (age dependent) Normal

I am very happy with these levels, I can’t wait to see what my results will be after 2 weeks use of Dermacrine.

Tomorrow I will begin the application of Dermacrine Sustain for 4 weeks.

4/18/07

Well, there is a difference with Dermacrine and Dermacrine Sustain, a big difference, 1st the original Dermacrine gave me crazy strength gains, recovery was very good, and energy was good.. This is because the original was more estrogenic, plus the original does have the higher DHEA and possible conversion to estron/estradiol.. This is a good thing for me, but might not be right for you..

The Dermacrine Sustain, dried me out, still had good strength, and recovery, but there is a small difference.. The Sustain is the product that is really focused on getting your natural production of test back to normal by getting your balls back to their normal production levels.

Love both products, if you are “puffy susceptible” I’d recommend the Dermacrine Sustain… if you want a supplement that will let you continue the feeling like you are still on, and at the same time getting your natural production back in line, do the original..

4/24/07

Did chest today, 95lb db for 20.. so the Dermacrine Sustain is still doing it’s thing, it will be interesting to see the results of the labs once they get back..
Softball 3x week double headers and Volleyball (Sand) will be going strong in the next week or so. Recovery is most crucial during this time, so I hope my additional strength, and faster recovery that I have been enjoying continues..

D_Mac · Apr 27, 2007

I took it for 5 weeks. More than anything I felt an increase in stamina. I was wrestling at the time though, not much lifting so not sure on where my strength was (definitely didn't go down, just wasn't lookin for strength so didn't measure). I did feel more 'manly' and assertive, and I think to some extent that stayed with me in the month or so i've been off, but not as strong as when I was on. Sex-wise I had a great boost in libido and performance/stamina. That was great, I got VERY aggressive, she liked it.

It is definitely no subsitute for a cycle, but I think that I might start running a cycle, then dermacrine original, then the sustain. I think it will be a nice smooth transition from on to natural. Other than that I just like using creatine in low doses and protien powder for cycle.

For now I am going to go back on here pretty soon, maybe start on Sunday, I've got a bottle already (original formula as was the bottle I tried before) I want to try sustain but I already have a bottle of the reg derma, so I will prob do the regular derma till I run out then the sustain till I run out. I am looking for gains in running and pushups, situps and pullups. I am looking forward to good moods to keep going running/ working out every day (sometimes I get jaded with running), keep me from getting sick and just help me recover.

needtogetaas · Apr 27, 2007

D_Mac said:
I took it for 5 weeks. More than anything I felt an increase in stamina. I was wrestling at the time though, not much lifting so not sure on where my strength was (definitely didn't go down, just wasn't lookin for strength so didn't measure). I did feel more 'manly' and assertive, and I think to some extent that stayed with me in the month or so i've been off, but not as strong as when I was on. Sex-wise I had a great boost in libido and performance/stamina. That was great, I got VERY aggressive, she liked it.

It is definitely no subsitute for a cycle, but I think that I might start running a cycle, then dermacrine original, then the sustain. I think it will be a nice smooth transition from on to natural. Other than that I just like using creatine in low doses and protien powder for cycle.

For now I am going to go back on here pretty soon, maybe start on Sunday, I've got a bottle already (original formula as was the bottle I tried before) I want to try sustain but I already have a bottle of the reg derma, so I will prob do the regular derma till I run out then the sustain till I run out. I am looking for gains in running and pushups, situps and pullups. I am looking forward to good moods to keep going running/ working out every day (sometimes I get jaded with running), keep me from getting sick and just help me recover.

thats the way I am going to do it from now on.I know you dont have to but I like it that way.

njmuscleguy · Apr 27, 2007

SpyWizard said:
4/18/07

Well, there is a difference with Dermacrine and Dermacrine Sustain, a big difference, 1st the original Dermacrine gave me crazy strength gains, recovery was very good, and energy was good.. This is because the original was more estrogenic, plus the original does have the higher DHEA and possible conversion to estron/estradiol.. This is a good thing for me, but might not be right for you..

The Dermacrine Sustain, dried me out, still had good strength, and recovery, but there is a small difference.. The Sustain is the product that is really focused on getting your natural production of test back to normal by getting your balls back to their normal production levels.

Love both products, if you are “puffy susceptible” I’d recommend the Dermacrine Sustain… if you want a supplement that will let you continue the feeling like you are still on, and at the same time getting your natural production back in line, do the original..

Noticing the same thing myself between the original Derma and Sustain... the original definitely packed a bigger punch... starting 3rd week of Sustain, after having done original Derma for 2 weeks... for the first time, I'm starting to get a little sluggish... not sure if that's just me getting back to my "normal" Gonna catch up on rest this weekend and see if I feel any better.

Nice post bro!

needtogetaas · Apr 27, 2007

Well, there is a difference with Dermacrine and Dermacrine Sustain, a big difference, 1st the original Dermacrine gave me crazy strength gains, recovery was very good, and energy was good.. This is because the original was more estrogenic, plus the original does have the higher DHEA and possible conversion to estron/estradiol.. This is a good thing for me, but might not be right for you..

well this is not always the case...I used the derma reg and got test don....my estro dropped a lot after just to weeks on the regaler dermacrin....

SpyWizard · Apr 27, 2007

needtogetaas said:
Well, there is a difference with Dermacrine and Dermacrine Sustain, a big difference, 1st the original Dermacrine gave me crazy strength gains, recovery was very good, and energy was good.. This is because the original was more estrogenic, plus the original does have the higher DHEA and possible conversion to estron/estradiol.. This is a good thing for me, but might not be right for you..

well this is not always the case...I used the derma reg and got test don....my estro dropped a lot after just to weeks on the regaler dermacrin....

That is pretty much my experience with both products.. i would like to see a product with the anti e properties, but the same crazy doses as the original.. but hey, i'd also like to take a pill and have 4% bf while eating mcD everyday.. so you can't have everything..

needtogetaas · Apr 27, 2007

SpyWizard said:
That is pretty much my experience with both products.. i would like to see a product with the anti e properties, but the same crazy doses as the original.. but hey, i'd also like to take a pill and have 4% bf while eating mcD everyday.. so you can't have everything..

I know I know but just saying look at my test results thats all

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=537359&page=8&pp=20&highlight=Dermacrine

it did en fact raise my test and drop my estro.

GLEN · Apr 27, 2007

how much is the test?

I got the Sust Im gonna start it 4 days

looking to get the balls back, well being, energy boost for gym but mainly to get the nat test up- I may run it 2x if I feel well-

I will also try unleashed/MYo stack and get some blood work done -

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Triple J · Apr 28, 2007

if you get tested after running the sustain, be sure to get the LH included that will tell the REAL story along with the T and E values

Primordial Performance · Apr 28, 2007

Triple J said:
if you get tested after running the sustain, be sure to get the LH included that will tell the REAL story along with the T and E values

LH is best for diagnosing primary or secondary hypogonadism.

The LH level really wont tell you much about how well a testosterone booster is working. LH might be high, but your test may still be low, or vise versa… You may have low LH but high test…

Really, its best to have a lower LH value, with high test levels. It just means you are more sensitive. In fact, most older men have 2-3x the LH value of younger men, but actually have lower test levels. Again, it’s a sensitivity issue.

You can be sure that any increase in test you get from the Sustain is directly coming from your testes. I say, who cares what your gonadrotropins are doing if your test is high.

-Pp

Triple J · Apr 28, 2007

hmmmm... interesting response. how did you determine the issue with the first dermacrine? my understanding was the ingredients were spiking T levels outside the HPTA loop thus further suppressing the user? how did you realize this without looking at LH?

the hypogonadism resulting from running AAS, which is hopefully and almost always transient, is generally secondary in nature (decreased LH output) but can progress to primary (testicular shutdown) depending on length and strength of cycle, etc. eventually the testes wake up once they are being stimulated again with LH (or HCG for a jumpstart). so to get this HPTA thing working again your product stimulates LH production by blocking estrogenic negative feedback, correct?

i just think as part of any pre or post cycle blood work LH should be included regardless of what PCT is utiilzed. for instance some people have problems figuring out when long esters clear their system, and measure too soon. they see normal T and think they are recovered when in fact the long esters are still trickling through. looking at LH would clarify how well their HPTA was restored.

preferably one should have a baseline so you know how well your axis was working pre-cycle. normal ranges are quite wide to account for age related differences, so in any case it would be very unusual for LH levels to fall below normal ranges and T to be high. if something was stimulating the testes besides LH then that would be nice to know about.

Primordial Performance · Apr 28, 2007

We figured the original Derma was not optimum for PCT when we saw test levels going well beyond the high normal range. Blood testing confirmed lower LH/FSH levels too.

But

What Im saying is that LH levels can be all over the place after a cycle. LH bounces back fast after a cycle (usually), but test levels do not always follow this. Plus, if test is high, then LH is always going to be low, especially if the person has a sensitized HPTA. The point is, somebody really shouldn’t have much concern over their LH levels if there test is where it should be. Sustain doesn’t have any DHEA or any other exogenous hormone, so any increase in T is a direct result of testosterone being produced from the testes. Who knows, maybe sustain actually increases the leydigs response to LH by improving sensitivity….

-Pp

Stryker1992 · Apr 28, 2007

I am a bit over one week with the sustain. I have liked it so far. I am two weeks into pct. My strength has been good, motivation good, and sex drive good. Actually, I had two fucking killer workouts this week. Even better then when I was on test E for the last 4 months. That is unusual post cycle for me.

My ballz are still a bit "shrunk" to date.

I will keep everyone posted as I continue.

needtogetaas · Apr 28, 2007

Stryker1992 said:
I am a bit over one week with the sustain. I have liked it so far. I am two weeks into pct. My strength has been good, motivation good, and sex drive good. Actually, I had two fucking killer workouts this week. Even better then when I was on test E for the last 4 months. That is unusual post cycle for me.

My ballz are still a bit "shrunk" to date.

I will keep everyone posted as I continue.

thats wtf i am talking about....seeing how you used to post about your pct in the past this is a big change

Primordial Performance · Apr 28, 2007

Stryker1992 said:
I am a bit over one week with the sustain. I have liked it so far. I am two weeks into pct. My strength has been good, motivation good, and sex drive good. Actually, I had two fucking killer workouts this week. Even better then when I was on test E for the last 4 months. That is unusual post cycle for me.

My ballz are still a bit "shrunk" to date.

I will keep everyone posted as I continue.

Stryker,

Do you have a log goin somewhere...?

Can you remind me.. did you run HCG post cycle or during?

-Pp

GLEN · Apr 29, 2007

start mine in 4-5 days I WANT BIGGER BALLS i will post updates as well-

SpyWizard · Apr 29, 2007

GLEN said:
start mine in 4-5 days I WANT BIGGER BALLS i will post updates as well-

good luck, you'll love it..

lartinos · Apr 29, 2007

I'm thinking about giving it a try.........is there still a coupon code?

Primordial Performance · Apr 29, 2007

lartinos said:
I'm thinking about giving it a try.........is there still a coupon code?

Yep, "MVC10" will save you $10. Just put it in to the promotional code field during checkout.

-Pp

needtogetaas · Apr 29, 2007

GLEN said:
start mine in 4-5 days I WANT BIGGER BALLS i will post updates as well-

k to you good bro.

njmuscleguy · Apr 30, 2007

Stryker1992 said:
I am a bit over one week with the sustain. I have liked it so far. I am two weeks into pct. My strength has been good, motivation good, and sex drive good. Actually, I had two fucking killer workouts this week. Even better then when I was on test E for the last 4 months. That is unusual post cycle for me.

My ballz are still a bit "shrunk" to date.

I will keep everyone posted as I continue.

It's weird, I've had some of the best workouts up to 2 weeks after my last shot during my last few cycles.... then the crash comes.

Remind me of your timeline again and cycle specifics?

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