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you may or may not like it, but posting under his own name increases his liability. He is not just a contributing member, he is here to promote his book. He is here for a lot of reasons, but will not go into that again.
this is not a forum issue, its a legal issue. Ulter may have mentioned it because he beleived that anthony was engaging in libelous activity.
it does not matter whether anthony posts something here or on any forum, by posting under his name (or even just a nom de plume- to which he can be legally tied) it increases his liability.
this is not a forum issue, its a legal issue. Ulter may have mentioned it because he beleived that anthony was engaging in libelous activity.
it does not matter whether anthony posts something here or on any forum, by posting under his name (or even just a nom de plume- to which he can be legally tied) it increases his liability.
"Here's the thing - we all know the side from AAS - and we "expect" them
But a product that (at most) states that it may cause irritation or a rash - when in many cases it cause BLISTERS and a few good bro's to go to the emergency room - something needs to be re-evaluated."
Do you even know what you are writing?
You state that we can "expect" sides from AAS, but are not smart enough to read that a product may cause a rash when the disclaimer states that it may occur?....or "blisters" like you mention?
Maybe you of all people should follow your own advice???
In this thread:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=465245&page=4
You stated that your friend went to the hospital by using Aleve.
Then, not too long after that, in the following thread:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=466031
You posted using Aleve for your arm and stating that it worked for you. With your viewpoint of AIFM, it makes you a hypocrit. Why did you use a product that caused severe and life threatening health issues to your friend? Are you petitioning to have Aleve 'pulled' from the shelves...oh wait, that one is okay because you say so......YEAH RIGHT!
The fact that you have overlooked is that ACTION HAS taken place since the original version of AIFM came out. The first was taking out the Linalool. Some bro's have reported that it has helped them. Then Ulter went on to state that it has been modified even further after that. Again, you are making claims to which formulation? It appears that some of the newer formulations ARE helping. Some of these users that have reported receiving "blisters" (which doesn't appear to be many) are not even stepping up to such lengths to have it pulled that you are suggesting. This is coming from you, a person that never even tried it.
"Please don't "cheapen" this board by belittling these cases or patronizing AAS users with your comaprisons."
Yeah, you have it all figured out don't you. The 11 years that I have been a member at Elite has been to "belittle, cheapen and patronize" the site and its members. Gee, you'd think after 11 years of the crap you just alluded that I do, that i'd be at least kicked off by now, or not using the same name that I have used since 1996. I can guarantee that I have put forth more info and forgot more info than you will ever gather or share. Looking at your handle in the posts you have put up, shows me you do not know very much. You have stated that you were hurt in a car accident 4, 5, 6 years ago in different posts, and in the last 3 months you have went from not even knowing how to put together a simple Test/Eq/Dbol cycle, asking whether or not to shoot or drink winny, no understanding of how to diet, talking about and posting mindless threads about coke, causing drama, etc...........to throwing out info like you are an expert and belittling a product that you have never even tried. But wait, Aleve is okay, even though YOUR friend almost died. You have stated taking Clen, and some people cannot handle the sides to that compound, should I petition to have AG guys 'pull' that from their list. NO! I shouldn't. I could make a case for that one, but I will never do that because others react well to it. Look at a disclaimer on Clen and compare it to a measly skin rash or "blisters" and tell me which is worse on a person? This is coming from a person that has used Clen many times, and I still wouldn't ask to have it removed by those who are less educated about it. We are here to educate people on the dangers of certain products the best we can so others do not get hurt, but that does not mean we should hold there hand and do all the work for them. I bet before it is over, the AIFM formulation will eventually get modified to further please its users and then everybody will laugh at this mindless crap you have posted on the product. Dude, it's only been out maybe 3 months. Instead of screaming to have it pulled, just post your experience so modifications can be made....oh but wait, you don't have any experience.
"And as far as how new I am - it didn't take long for me to bring to the attention that 40% of customers have developed a rash. - fact"
You stated being on here 4-6 years ago, what was your handle name? Yes, In case you are wondering, I would like to do a search under your name. This shouldn't be a problem if you were a good-hearted member that provided quality information, should it? Hell maybe i'll learn a thing or two from ya.
Again ol' smart one, you are throwing the terms "rash" and "blisters" around sloppy. The way I am seeing it is that 'MAYBE' a few people developed blisters. "rash" problems appear to be a little higher, but it is not clear which formulations that they used. Your math is off. I'll let the post that Macro posted after yours speak for itself.
"When you see a warning on a generic skin creame with the same warning as these guys - they are literally dealing with a 1-3% bad reaction to their product - so to compare AIFM to everything else is just smoke-and-mirrors"
I'm sure studies or papers are out there to support your claim? I'd be interested in seeing this since you seem so sure of yourself. This doesn't account those people that DO NOT get a full refund back from these companys' products skin problems. Therefore, if no refund is offered, do they really know how many dissatisfied people there are? Mr. X pointed out that he never returns products that offer a refund. How many unaccounted people like him are there in regards to the products that you speak of that have skin irritation?
You can hold Macro accountable to the 1% claim that he posted all you want. Yes, it will probably be higher. Who cares? I can guarantee that it is nowhere near the 40% that you keep throwing out there though. If there were that many dissatisfied customers, the product would not be worth it to market. They wouldn't even put forth the effort. It will fade away just like the HMB/Chrysin threads (Weren't you using Betagen from EAS when you started posting here in December?.....now there is a winner product if I ever did see one...lol....nothing like getting butt-raped and paying for overpriced creatine and HMB ). So hold onto that arguement because it is the only thing you have in your favor, just make sure that it is correct though....1+1=2.
"Thanks B.J."
Are you telling me thanks and asking for a Blow Job at the same time? Well thanks but no thanks. I don't do favors for guys or let guys suck on my peepee. I have a 5' Latina that calls it hers anyway, so I get all that I want.
THANKS!
MR. BMJ
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But a product that (at most) states that it may cause irritation or a rash - when in many cases it cause BLISTERS and a few good bro's to go to the emergency room - something needs to be re-evaluated."
Do you even know what you are writing?
You state that we can "expect" sides from AAS, but are not smart enough to read that a product may cause a rash when the disclaimer states that it may occur?....or "blisters" like you mention?
Maybe you of all people should follow your own advice???
In this thread:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=465245&page=4
You stated that your friend went to the hospital by using Aleve.
Then, not too long after that, in the following thread:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=466031
You posted using Aleve for your arm and stating that it worked for you. With your viewpoint of AIFM, it makes you a hypocrit. Why did you use a product that caused severe and life threatening health issues to your friend? Are you petitioning to have Aleve 'pulled' from the shelves...oh wait, that one is okay because you say so......YEAH RIGHT!
The fact that you have overlooked is that ACTION HAS taken place since the original version of AIFM came out. The first was taking out the Linalool. Some bro's have reported that it has helped them. Then Ulter went on to state that it has been modified even further after that. Again, you are making claims to which formulation? It appears that some of the newer formulations ARE helping. Some of these users that have reported receiving "blisters" (which doesn't appear to be many) are not even stepping up to such lengths to have it pulled that you are suggesting. This is coming from you, a person that never even tried it.
"Please don't "cheapen" this board by belittling these cases or patronizing AAS users with your comaprisons."
Yeah, you have it all figured out don't you. The 11 years that I have been a member at Elite has been to "belittle, cheapen and patronize" the site and its members. Gee, you'd think after 11 years of the crap you just alluded that I do, that i'd be at least kicked off by now, or not using the same name that I have used since 1996. I can guarantee that I have put forth more info and forgot more info than you will ever gather or share. Looking at your handle in the posts you have put up, shows me you do not know very much. You have stated that you were hurt in a car accident 4, 5, 6 years ago in different posts, and in the last 3 months you have went from not even knowing how to put together a simple Test/Eq/Dbol cycle, asking whether or not to shoot or drink winny, no understanding of how to diet, talking about and posting mindless threads about coke, causing drama, etc...........to throwing out info like you are an expert and belittling a product that you have never even tried. But wait, Aleve is okay, even though YOUR friend almost died. You have stated taking Clen, and some people cannot handle the sides to that compound, should I petition to have AG guys 'pull' that from their list. NO! I shouldn't. I could make a case for that one, but I will never do that because others react well to it. Look at a disclaimer on Clen and compare it to a measly skin rash or "blisters" and tell me which is worse on a person? This is coming from a person that has used Clen many times, and I still wouldn't ask to have it removed by those who are less educated about it. We are here to educate people on the dangers of certain products the best we can so others do not get hurt, but that does not mean we should hold there hand and do all the work for them. I bet before it is over, the AIFM formulation will eventually get modified to further please its users and then everybody will laugh at this mindless crap you have posted on the product. Dude, it's only been out maybe 3 months. Instead of screaming to have it pulled, just post your experience so modifications can be made....oh but wait, you don't have any experience.
"And as far as how new I am - it didn't take long for me to bring to the attention that 40% of customers have developed a rash. - fact"
You stated being on here 4-6 years ago, what was your handle name? Yes, In case you are wondering, I would like to do a search under your name. This shouldn't be a problem if you were a good-hearted member that provided quality information, should it? Hell maybe i'll learn a thing or two from ya.
Again ol' smart one, you are throwing the terms "rash" and "blisters" around sloppy. The way I am seeing it is that 'MAYBE' a few people developed blisters. "rash" problems appear to be a little higher, but it is not clear which formulations that they used. Your math is off. I'll let the post that Macro posted after yours speak for itself.
"When you see a warning on a generic skin creame with the same warning as these guys - they are literally dealing with a 1-3% bad reaction to their product - so to compare AIFM to everything else is just smoke-and-mirrors"
I'm sure studies or papers are out there to support your claim? I'd be interested in seeing this since you seem so sure of yourself. This doesn't account those people that DO NOT get a full refund back from these companys' products skin problems. Therefore, if no refund is offered, do they really know how many dissatisfied people there are? Mr. X pointed out that he never returns products that offer a refund. How many unaccounted people like him are there in regards to the products that you speak of that have skin irritation?
You can hold Macro accountable to the 1% claim that he posted all you want. Yes, it will probably be higher. Who cares? I can guarantee that it is nowhere near the 40% that you keep throwing out there though. If there were that many dissatisfied customers, the product would not be worth it to market. They wouldn't even put forth the effort. It will fade away just like the HMB/Chrysin threads (Weren't you using Betagen from EAS when you started posting here in December?.....now there is a winner product if I ever did see one...lol....nothing like getting butt-raped and paying for overpriced creatine and HMB ). So hold onto that arguement because it is the only thing you have in your favor, just make sure that it is correct though....1+1=2.
"Thanks B.J."
Are you telling me thanks and asking for a Blow Job at the same time? Well thanks but no thanks. I don't do favors for guys or let guys suck on my peepee. I have a 5' Latina that calls it hers anyway, so I get all that I want.
THANKS!
MR. BMJ
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[/QUOTE]MR. BMJ said:"Here's the thing - we all know the side from AAS - and we "expect" them
But a product that (at most) states that it may cause irritation or a rash - when in many cases it cause BLISTERS and a few good bro's to go to the emergency room - something needs to be re-evaluated."
Do you even know what you are writing?
You state that we can "expect" sides from AAS, but are not smart enough to read that a product may cause a rash when the disclaimer states that it may occur?....or "blisters" like you mention?
Maybe you of all people should follow your own advice???
In this thread:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=465245&page=4
You stated that your friend went to the hospital by using Aleve.
Then, not too long after that, in the following thread:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=466031
You posted using Aleve for your arm and stating that it worked for you. With your viewpoint of AIFM, it makes you a hypocrit. Why did you use a product that caused severe and life threatening health issues to your friend? Are you petitioning to have Aleve 'pulled' from the shelves...oh wait, that one is okay because you say so......YEAH RIGHT!
The fact that you have overlooked is that ACTION HAS taken place since the original version of AIFM came out. The first was taking out the Linalool. Some bro's have reported that it has helped them. Then Ulter went on to state that it has been modified even further after that. Again, you are making claims to which formulation? It appears that some of the newer formulations ARE helping. Some of these users that have reported receiving "blisters" (which doesn't appear to be many) are not even stepping up to such lengths to have it pulled that you are suggesting. This is coming from you, a person that never even tried it.
"Please don't "cheapen" this board by belittling these cases or patronizing AAS users with your comaprisons."
Yeah, you have it all figured out don't you. The 11 years that I have been a member at Elite has been to "belittle, cheapen and patronize" the site and its members. Gee, you'd think after 11 years of the crap you just alluded that I do, that i'd be at least kicked off by now, or not using the same name that I have used since 1996. I can guarantee that I have put forth more info and forgot more info than you will ever gather or share. Looking at your handle in the posts you have put up, shows me you do not know very much. You have stated that you were hurt in a car accident 4, 5, 6 years ago in different posts, and in the last 3 months you have went from not even knowing how to put together a simple Test/Eq/Dbol cycle, asking whether or not to shoot or drink winny, no understanding of how to diet, talking about and posting mindless threads about coke, causing drama, etc...........to throwing out info like you are an expert and belittling a product that you have never even tried. But wait, Aleve is okay, even though YOUR friend almost died. You have stated taking Clen, and some people cannot handle the sides to that compound, should I petition to have AG guys 'pull' that from their list. NO! I shouldn't. I could make a case for that one, but I will never do that because others react well to it. Look at a disclaimer on Clen and compare it to a measly skin rash or "blisters" and tell me which is worse on a person? This is coming from a person that has used Clen many times, and I still wouldn't ask to have it removed by those who are less educated about it. We are here to educate people on the dangers of certain products the best we can so others do not get hurt, but that does not mean we should hold there hand and do all the work for them. I bet before it is over, the AIFM formulation will eventually get modified to further please its users and then everybody will laugh at this mindless crap you have posted on the product. Dude, it's only been out maybe 3 months. Instead of screaming to have it pulled, just post your experience so modifications can be made....oh but wait, you don't have any experience.
"And as far as how new I am - it didn't take long for me to bring to the attention that 40% of customers have developed a rash. - fact"
You stated being on here 4-6 years ago, what was your handle name? Yes, In case you are wondering, I would like to do a search under your name. This shouldn't be a problem if you were a good-hearted member that provided quality information, should it? Hell maybe i'll learn a thing or two from ya.
Again ol' smart one, you are throwing the terms "rash" and "blisters" around sloppy. The way I am seeing it is that 'MAYBE' a few people developed blisters. "rash" problems appear to be a little higher, but it is not clear which formulations that they used. Your math is off. I'll let the post that Macro posted after yours speak for itself.
"When you see a warning on a generic skin creame with the same warning as these guys - they are literally dealing with a 1-3% bad reaction to their product - so to compare AIFM to everything else is just smoke-and-mirrors"
I'm sure studies or papers are out there to support your claim? I'd be interested in seeing this since you seem so sure of yourself. This doesn't account those people that DO NOT get a full refund back from these companys' products skin problems. Therefore, if no refund is offered, do they really know how many dissatisfied people there are? Mr. X pointed out that he never returns products that offer a refund. How many unaccounted people like him are there in regards to the products that you speak of that have skin irritation?
You can hold Macro accountable to the 1% claim that he posted all you want. Yes, it will probably be higher. Who cares? I can guarantee that it is nowhere near the 40% that you keep throwing out there though. If there were that many dissatisfied customers, the product would not be worth it to market. They wouldn't even put forth the effort. It will fade away just like the HMB/Chrysin threads (Weren't you using Betagen from EAS when you started posting here in December?.....now there is a winner product if I ever did see one...lol....nothing like getting butt-raped and paying for overpriced creatine and HMB ). So hold onto that arguement because it is the only thing you have in your favor, just make sure that it is correct though....1+1=2.
"Thanks B.J."
Are you telling me thanks and asking for a Blow Job at the same time? Well thanks but no thanks. I don't do favors for guys or let guys suck on my peepee. I have a 5' Latina that calls it hers anyway, so I get all that I want.
THANKS!
MR. BMJ
That must have taken a lot of time.
Some "decent" points there.....
Nothing special.
Lot of "words"..............
Bro what he's shown there is that you have a perpensity for lying on the board and being a hypcrite. And that it's very easy to demonstrate this. His case in point was your Advil rant.
Mine will be the lie that you bought AIFM and sent it to a hospital to be tested.
1. I have your sales records. You never bought the product.
2. That hospital doesn't have the equipment to test this product.
I was beginning to give you credit I see now that you don't deserve. You're just looking for attention and shouldn't even be here.
Mine will be the lie that you bought AIFM and sent it to a hospital to be tested.
1. I have your sales records. You never bought the product.
2. That hospital doesn't have the equipment to test this product.
I was beginning to give you credit I see now that you don't deserve. You're just looking for attention and shouldn't even be here.
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Ulter said:
My credentials have never been claimed to be anything that they're not.
I got a time out from Macro, right? And when was it removed? Within hours. So clearly he wasn't correct in giving me that time out, now was he? Was he?
There are 123 books in my category (Anabolic Steroids) anbd it is listed third in the sales portion.
The comments in my book were not "mostly taken from AAS boards, actually. Do you even have a copy of it?
Aren't most of your products "taken from elsewhere" also? As I recall, didn't Duchaine first suggest transdermal Yohimbe? Oh...and didn't Avant Labs have a sesame seed product before you, Macro, and his three degrees? Terrible.
My book is as original as anything that can ever be written in this age. And your comments on Karl are laughable....my book is dedicated (in part) to him, so credit is given where it was due, in every case. Read the dedication...if you even have the book you're criticizing.
Your comments are once again, silly and unfounded. In your last attack againse me (now deleted) you claimed I am a failed rugby player...now you claim I am a professional. Which is it?
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