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Advice For a Mild to Moderate Cycle Please?

chicagobuffedbod

chicagobuffedbod

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Hey, guys. I'm interested in going on a mild cycle. I'm interested in getting a tad bit more pumped up. I'm currently using Androgel. I have normal test levels naturally but the binding globulin in my system shows that my free testosterone is pretty much not serving me. Hence, my prescription for Androgel. I take 4 pumps a day and it has helped to harden me up a bit but I want just a tad more.

My guidelines are these:

1. What testosterone ester is the best to take? I am thinking around 200mg/400mg a week. I am not looking to get huge. I just want to look pumped and hard. Is Sustanon the better option since it has a combination of esters?

2. I'm concerned with messing up my sex drive so does that mean I should stay away from winstrol? I'm also going to look into taking herbs like maca, etc. so that I can be a sex fiend. :p

3. I'm a cancer survivor so I don't want to take tren as that is hard on the body. Although if you look at my pics in my profile I was using tren and I was SOOOO happy with my definition and hardness. But that's a thing of the past. At least testosterone and winstrol are two steroids prescribed by doctors.

4. I'm not concerned with hair loss. I shave my head. I simply want to harden up and get just a tad bit bigger.

Stats are 38, 219lb, 32 waist. I'm including a link to my current body picture. Can't seem to make it appear in the thread. Sorry, hope you don't mind cutting and pasting.

Oh, and I thought I would keep using the Androgel and simply add the 200 to 400mg of test a week.

My diet is good. I eat about 220g of protein a day and about 500g of carbs a day and about 50g of fats from fish and olive oil. I don't have a lot of money so I eat whole foods and can't afford a lot of fancy gear or supplements.

I do HIIT training 3x a week which has given me faster fat loss than the old fashioned 65% target heart rate cardio. After 5 minutes of warm up I do 1 minute at 90% maximum target heart rate running on the treadmill followed by walking for 1 minute for a total of 10 minutes. It's working quite well.

Here's the link. If I can just tighten up my waist and gain about a good solid 10lb of muscle and harden up I would be very happy.

Basically I want to harden up, maybe gain 5-10lb and not negatively impact my libido. I know some guys do just test cycles. I've also used EQ which seems better than decca as far as not killing my sex drive.


Hope to get some input from you guys.
Thanks! :D

Here are two links to what I currently look like.

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Addendum:

So after doing some research on winny and the testosterone esters it seems like winny can aggravate existing joint pain? I was reading that EQ is good for joint pain which I experience in the knees and elbows (from lifting). I may probably stick with EQ. But does EQ have similar effects like Decca in creating Decca Dick?

Before I had cancer I used to take 1g of test weekly and 300mg of EQ and a little tren thrown in. I was a pretty solid 252lb back then. Just mentioning my prior gear use. Not looking to be huge again. But want to be pumped and harder than my pictures (in the two URL addresses in first post).

Thanks.
 
if you want to harden up without tren.Id do somethign liek this

1-12 test e 400mg e/w
1-12mast e 500 e/w
7-12 var 30mg e/d
(could throw some primo in 500mgs a week)..this is my fav cycle haha
 
Keep it simple, some extra test and Primo. Do the HCGenerate, UNLEASHED, POST CYCLE PCT. Then go back on the androgel.

Eventaully, you may want to consider using ent for your HRT,. It's more economical, easier and better than androgel.
 
Yeah, Nelson said it best. Keep it simple. Also Needto Wrote a excellent article like "DON'T TAKE STEROIDS IF..." you should read it mate, it should help you out a lot.
 
chicagobuffedbod said:
Hey, guys. I'm interested in going on a mild cycle. I'm interested in getting a tad bit more pumped up. I'm currently using Androgel. I have normal test levels naturally but the binding globulin in my system shows that my free testosterone is pretty much not serving me. Hence, my prescription for Androgel. I take 4 pumps a day and it has helped to harden me up a bit but I want just a tad more.

My guidelines are these:

1. What testosterone ester is the best to take? I am thinking around 200mg/400mg a week. I am not looking to get huge. I just want to look pumped and hard. Is Sustanon the better option since it has a combination of esters?

2. I'm concerned with messing up my sex drive so does that mean I should stay away from winstrol? I'm also going to look into taking herbs like maca, etc. so that I can be a sex fiend. :p

3. I'm a cancer survivor so I don't want to take tren as that is hard on the body. Although if you look at my pics in my profile I was using tren and I was SOOOO happy with my definition and hardness. But that's a thing of the past. At least testosterone and winstrol are two steroids prescribed by doctors.

4. I'm not concerned with hair loss. I shave my head. I simply want to harden up and get just a tad bit bigger.

Stats are 38, 219lb, 32 waist. I'm including a link to my current body picture. Can't seem to make it appear in the thread. Sorry, hope you don't mind cutting and pasting.

Oh, and I thought I would keep using the Androgel and simply add the 200 to 400mg of test a week.

My diet is good. I eat about 220g of protein a day and about 500g of carbs a day and about 50g of fats from fish and olive oil. I don't have a lot of money so I eat whole foods and can't afford a lot of fancy gear or supplements.

I do HIIT training 3x a week which has given me faster fat loss than the old fashioned 65% target heart rate cardio. After 5 minutes of warm up I do 1 minute at 90% maximum target heart rate running on the treadmill followed by walking for 1 minute for a total of 10 minutes. It's working quite well.

Here's the link. If I can just tighten up my waist and gain about a good solid 10lb of muscle and harden up I would be very happy.

Basically I want to harden up, maybe gain 5-10lb and not negatively impact my libido. I know some guys do just test cycles. I've also used EQ which seems better than decca as far as not killing my sex drive.


Hope to get some input from you guys.
Thanks! :D

Here are two links to what I currently look like.

Dec 26th 2 on Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Image052_edited-1 on Flickr - Photo Sharing!
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1. Mg per mg prop will give you the best results.
2. Winstrol will not hurt your libido.
3. Tren is terrible for you in every way.
4. I would run something like this:

1-12- 750mg Test E
9-12 - 80mg Anavar
1-12 - 500ius HCG M,W,F
1-14 - 25mg Aromasin
14-17 - 50mg Clomid
14-17 - 50mg Proviron
15-16 - 12.5mg EOD Aromasin
 
just run a ew hundred mg of test e ew with hcgenerate and adex if you need it. after that go back to trt and run unleashed with it. i think that will give you the results are after. no need to take more.
 
Easiest thing ever:
12-14 weeks test-e 500mgs per week
split into two shots
lil adex and that's it, super user friendly.
maybe jump it with some bestdrol? fug i wouldn't though.
you'll blow up on that i have/did.
 
RickO'Shea said:
Hey bro here is the website, cause I don't know how to "Link" sorry I just don't. Also mind you this is not to be supposed to be mean in anyway, just something to remember
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Okay you were implying that I read the article "Don't take steroids if" cause I'm in a budget? I have gotten some good advice from others on here that easily fit within my financial means. I'll be fine. And I didn't think you were being mean. ;)
 
250mg Test E for 12 weeks
25mg proviron the entire time up to PCT
(have an ai handy, like aromasin [might need 10-12.5mg every other day if that - proviron should control the 250mg test)
PCT 2 weeks after last pin (around starting week 14):
20mg Nolva/day and Unleashed, Sustain Alpha LV as directed
...And roll back into HRT.

I think the KEY to you getting hard is to restructure your diet. It's WAY carb heavy. Cut down the carbs big time, replace with protein and healthy fats.

If you feel like it, post your diet.
 
Fudge Tunnel said:
1. Mg per mg prop will give you the best results.
2. Winstrol will not hurt your libido.
3. Tren is terrible for you in every way.
4. I would run something like this:

1-12- 750mg Test E
9-12 - 80mg Anavar
1-12 - 500ius HCG M,W,F
1-14 - 25mg Aromasin
14-17 - 50mg Clomid
14-17 - 50mg Proviron
15-16 - 12.5mg EOD Aromasin
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Way too much. Of everything.
 
chicagobuffedbod said:
Okay you were implying that I read the article "Don't take steroids if" cause I'm in a budget? I have gotten some good advice from others on here that easily fit within my financial means. I'll be fine. And I didn't think you were being mean. ;)
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No no no, not really what I meant. I think the heart of the message was It's really really expensive, but more importantly, do it RIGHT! So if you gotta drop some extra dough do it right, but only if that means it doesn't take food off the table! Food, BTW is your most expensive expenditure while "ON" Gotta eat lot's of Uber clean food! By no means did I mean since you were on a budget should you not take steroids, if you're not on a budget, you'll never be a wealthy person to begin with.

I hope you get what I mean.:biggrin:
 
Stop swinging your dicks around guys.

We don't need to start puffing our chests out like gorrillas fighting over the right to breed over a minor differing opinion.

Either of you reply back to eachother in this thread and it is closed. And won't both of you feel like asses for screwing up this bro's thread?
 
dabuffguy said:
Stop swinging your dicks around guys.

We don't need to start puffing our chests out like gorrillas fighting over the right to breed over a minor differing opinion.

Either of you reply back to eachother in this thread and it is closed. And won't both of you feel like asses for screwing up this bro's thread?
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I won't. I'm trying to help the guy from taking dumb advice.
 
joe d said:
you still need hcg and ai's
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Yep. I recommend PCT even when on HRT if you choose to cycle within the HRT. You still want to maintain as even a hormonal balance as possible and a cycle will disrupt it. Just because you're replacing some test isn't the whole picture.
 
Fudge, Nelson's got a huge point. Look at what chicago is asking for, compared to what you recommended.

chicagobuffedbod said:
Hey, guys. I'm interested in going on a mild cycle. I'm interested in getting a tad bit more pumped up...it has helped to harden me up a bit but I want just a tad more.

Basically I want to harden up, maybe gain 5-10lb and not negatively impact my libido.
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Fudge Tunnel said:
1. Mg per mg prop will give you the best results.
2. Winstrol will not hurt your libido.
3. Tren is terrible for you in every way.
4. I would run something like this:

1-12- 750mg Test E
9-12 - 80mg Anavar
1-12 - 500ius HCG M,W,F
1-14 - 25mg Aromasin
14-17 - 50mg Clomid
14-17 - 50mg Proviron
15-16 - 12.5mg EOD Aromasin
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For your goals using EQ/test is a great combo and cheap
I've used EQ/Test/Primo combo with great results as well but the primo made it a bit pricy but good vascularity, strength and hardly any sides besides some oily skin

i think I was doing
Primo 400mg
EQ 300
Test 500
But you can also do
Primo 400
Test 500
OR
EQ 400
Test 500

Those will work just fine with the right diet and exercise.If test works good at less than 500 use 300mg or 400mg/week instead

I agree with everyone's point on 750mg of test and 80mg var per week. It all depends on the user's experience, goals and it's body response to the compounds.
 
Varga said:
I agree, but is money is a problem at least some AI if anything.
Do HCG when you have $$
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hcg is the lesser of the two, and if you can aford to cycle right then why do it at all.
 
Fudge Tunnel said:
That is a mild cycle. Would you like me to post an advanced one?
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750mg of test and 80mg of var is not a mild cycle for a 220lb guy wanting to gain "5-10lbs" and "harden up a tad bit more". The descriptor "mild" or "moderate" or "advanced" is based on the goal of the person.

First he needs to restructure his diet - that alone will harden him up. All those carbs are keeping him soft (or not as hard as he could be). Second, he needs to up his protein so she starts to grow - 220grams at 220lbs is maintenance at best. Those two things alone will probably "harden him up a tad bit more" and put 5lbs on him in 12 weeks - without any AAS. So a mild cycle would be a little bit of test e for 12 weeks and something to control the estrogen and leave him hard.

1) Restructure diet (drop carbs and replace with protein and healthy fats)
2) A Little bit of Test E for 12 weeks
3) An AI incase
4) Good PCT

Bingo, 5-10lbs and harder. Goal acheived without introducing unneeded AAS.
 
I don't really respond well to super high levels of protein. Even Jay Cutler eats about a gram per pound of muscle. So that's about the guideline that I follow. If I eat 1.5g of protein or more per pound of body weight I get a bit fat.

I really appreciate all of your input, guys. It's been great. THANK YOU!
 
Oh and by the way I will have AI's on hand for sure. That's a given. I should have stressed that I will have this.

But another question I have is:

Since I will plan to be on HRT indefinitely I don't see the advantages of taking HCG.I actually tried to use HCG as a form of HRT but my doctor refused to give me a prescription for it. I loved using it toward the end of my cycles years ago to get 'the boys' back in working order and as a great aid for PCT.

Oh and also, a few months ago before I took Androgel I was given 200mg of enanthate once every two weeks. I actually got good results on just that alone. I am thinking that if I take 200mg once a week with 200 to 400eq a week and maybe some primo that I will be happy.
 
chicagobuffedbod said:
I don't really respond well to super high levels of protein. Even Jay Cutler eats about a gram per pound of muscle. So that's about the guideline that I follow. If I eat 1.5g of protein or more per pound of body weight I get a bit fat.

I really appreciate all of your input, guys. It's been great. THANK YOU!
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everyone is different on protein. it is good to always investigate any diet change you make to see what is good for you and what isnt.

i find balance to be a huge factor in diet. for example if i dont eat 120g of carbs to every 100g of protein i eat i dont seem to get as much out of my diet. i also get bogged down and store fat. its not so much about amounts of macros alone its about the ratio between them then the amounts. that ratio will vary greatly from person to person.
 
joe d said:
everyone is different on protein. it is good to always investigate any diet change you make to see what is good for you and what isnt.

i find balance to be a huge factor in diet. for example if i dont eat 120g of carbs to every 100g of protein i eat i dont seem to get as much out of my diet. i also get bogged down and store fat. its not so much about amounts of macros alone its about the ratio between them then the amounts. that ratio will vary greatly from person to person.
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Yep.

I am a tall skinny lean natural build. I need to eat tons of carbs to pack on mass. Protein can be at about 350 a day for the rest of my life. Increasing or decreasing carbs is where I put on mass or cut fat.

Sadly, cutting fat also results in muscle loss for me. When I cut, I get flat looking. It takes about 10 days of carb bingeing then I fill out.
 
Ozzie87 said:
i would like to know what your advanced cycle is fudge.

do you think 750mg test/week is mild for everyone, or do you say that because the op has used well over 1g before and used to be rather big?

take my stats, after my current cycle is complete i hope to be 205 @ 10%, 5'10.
its my 2nd cycle and it is 500mg sus 1-14 with proviron 50mg/day from 8-14

what would you advise for my next cycle? my goals would be to add some more LBM and get the bf down at the same time, and i wont use tren.

i know not everyone agrees with some of your advice but i would like to know regardless
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Here is an advanced cycle a friend of mine used at the end of the cycle he was 5% bf and a solid 245. NOT EVERYONE SHOULD DO THIS, THIS IS FOR THE VERY AVANCED USER ONLY.

1-12 - 30ius GH 10ius shot 3 times a week PWO.
13-27 - 28ius GH 2ius in AM and 2 ius mid afternoon
1-4 - 10ius insulin
9-12 - 10ius insulin
5-8 - 100mcg IGF-LR3
5-8 - 500mcg cheque drops
1-27 - 50mcg t3
1-4 - 50 mg Dbol
1-12 - 100mg NPP EOD
1-24 - 750mg Test C
9-12 - 50mg Winstrol
13-27 - 800mg Primo
20-27 - 600mg Masteron
20-27 - 100mg Anavar ED
1-29 - 25mg Aromasin ED
1-28 - 500ius HCG M,W,F
1-14 - .5mg cabergoline E3D

I would stick with 500mg test only if I were you, you've got a ways to go before stacking anything, just my opinion.
 
d_rson said:
750mg of test and 80mg of var is not a mild cycle for a 220lb guy wanting to gain "5-10lbs" and "harden up a tad bit more". The descriptor "mild" or "moderate" or "advanced" is based on the goal of the person.

First he needs to restructure his diet - that alone will harden him up. All those carbs are keeping him soft (or not as hard as he could be). Second, he needs to up his protein so she starts to grow - 220grams at 220lbs is maintenance at best. Those two things alone will probably "harden him up a tad bit more" and put 5lbs on him in 12 weeks - without any AAS. So a mild cycle would be a little bit of test e for 12 weeks and something to control the estrogen and leave him hard.

1) Restructure diet (drop carbs and replace with protein and healthy fats)
2) A Little bit of Test E for 12 weeks
3) An AI incase
4) Good PCT


Bingo, 5-10lbs and harder. Goal acheived without introducing unneeded AAS.
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First, yes it is mild. Yes, I do agree his diet is the biggest factor in everything but the cycle is very mild, see my previous post for an advance cycle, of which I'm sure you haven't even dreamed of using as of yet or maybe never will. So 750mg test and 80mg anavar is a mild cycle in comparison.

You're totally wrong about #3. An A/I IN CASE? Why would you wait for a problem to occur instead of trying to maintain a balance of estrogen and testosterone? That is asking for a problem, maybe gyno, or prostate issues.

What have you cycled and what were you're results? Not flaming you bro, just curious as to what you've done, it seems like you're kind of new to this game seeing that your advice for an A/I is totally inaccurate.
 
Fudge Tunnel said:
First, yes it is mild. Yes, I do agree his diet is the biggest factor in everything but the cycle is very mild, see my previous post for an advance cycle, of which I'm sure you haven't even dreamed of using as of yet or maybe never will. So 750mg test and 80mg anavar is a mild cycle in comparison.

You're totally wrong about #3. An A/I IN CASE? Why would you wait for a problem to occur instead of trying to maintain a balance of estrogen and testosterone? That is asking for a problem, maybe gyno, or prostate issues.

What have you cycled and what were you're results? Not flaming you bro, just curious as to what you've done, it seems like you're kind of new to this game seeing that your advice for an A/I is totally inaccurate.
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750 mgs of test and 80 mgs of var are mild compared to WHAT? An insane cycle?

Everybody is entitled to their opinion but at the same time, some people give really irresponsible advice. I hope there are no noobs reading this and thinking this is what's considered "mild."
 
Fudge Tunnel said:
First, yes it is mild. Yes, I do agree his diet is the biggest factor in everything but the cycle is very mild, see my previous post for an advance cycle, of which I'm sure you haven't even dreamed of using as of yet or maybe never will. So 750mg test and 80mg anavar is a mild cycle in comparison.
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Fudge, I respect your posts but I think you missed my point. You can group a bunch of cycles together and then rate them as mild or moderate or advanced, and what you recommended might be in the mild group - but when someone asks for a "mild" cycle designed for a specific purpose - to gain 5-10lbs and get a "tad bit" harder, then a "mild" cycle may not be every cycle that you group as a mild cycle. 750mg of test and 80mg of var over that peroid of time is a "gain 10-15lbs, get extremely hard, have monsterous strength, have a ton of estrogen related sides" cycle. I don't think that's what he was asking for - so based on what he wants, it's not mild.

You're totally wrong about #3. An A/I IN CASE? Why would you wait for a problem to occur instead of trying to maintain a balance of estrogen and testosterone? That is asking for a problem, maybe gyno, or prostate issues.
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I never said don't use it, I said "An AI in case" - where do I say "have an AI handy just in case, just don't take it"? Actually, at the dose I recommended, he may not even need an ai, and personally I'm not sure I would automatically run an ai and hinder my gains.

What have you cycled and what were you're results? Not flaming you bro, just curious as to what you've done, it seems like you're kind of new to this game seeing that your advice for an A/I is totally inaccurate.
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I'm sure I'm not nearly as advanced as you, but sometimes when you've been in the game so long and run such advanced cycles, recommendations can be very biased and more based on your own personal goals rather than the goals of the person you are trying to help.

I look forward to seeing more posts from you, I just don't agree with you on this one.
 
d_rson said:
Fudge, I respect your posts but I think you missed my point. You can group a bunch of cycles together and then rate them as mild or moderate or advanced, and what you recommended might be in the mild group - but when someone asks for a "mild" cycle designed for a specific purpose - to gain 5-10lbs and get a "tad bit" harder, then a "mild" cycle may not be every cycle that you group as a mild cycle. 750mg of test and 80mg of var over that peroid of time is a "gain 10-15lbs, get extremely hard, have monsterous strength, have a ton of estrogen related sides" cycle. I don't think that's what he was asking for - so based on what he wants, it's not mild.


I never said don't use it, I said "An AI in case" - where do I say "have an AI handy just in case, just don't take it"? Actually, at the dose I recommended, he may not even need an ai, and personally I'm not sure I would automatically run an ai and hinder my gains.

I'm sure I'm not nearly as advanced as you, but sometimes when you've been in the game so long and run such advanced cycles, recommendations can be very biased and more based on your own personal goals rather than the goals of the person you are trying to help.

I look forward to seeing more posts from you, I just don't agree with you on this one.
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Please post the reasons why you would (as you stated) "have a ton of estrogen related sides". I would like to hear why this is.

Not using an A/I to hinder gains? Please post any type of study which shows this is the case, or is this just hearsay or "brology"?
 
Nelson Montana said:
750 mgs of test and 80 mgs of var are mild compared to WHAT? An insane cycle?

Everybody is entitled to their opinion but at the same time, some people give really irresponsible advice. I hope there are no noobs reading this and thinking this is what's considered "mild."
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It's not even worth my time to try and discuss anything with you, let it go. We've already discussed everything that needed to be discussed via P/M. LET IT DIE, WE ARE NOT GOING TO AGREE ON ANYTHING.
 
Ozzie87 said:
thats a cycle you wouldnt forget quickly....!

interesting you advise me to just do 500mg test again, you are probably right in that as if i was eating to gain i'm sure the 500 im doing now would be plenty to gain on. if i wanted to add a DHT based compound for extra hardness what would you advise?

lol at you and Nelson, you are clearly on different sides of the fence!
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winstrol or masteron if your bf is low enough
 
Fudge Tunnel said:
Please post the reasons why you would (as you stated) "have a ton of estrogen related sides". I would like to hear why this is.
750mg test per week = lots of estrogen to fight. I need not go any farther than that.

Fudge Tunnel said:
Not using an A/I to hinder gains? Please post any type of study which shows this is the case, or is this just hearsay or "brology"?
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Estrogen is good for a cycle, in modest amounts.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/a...not-use-them-unless-you-need-them-646536.html
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dabuffguy said:
Yep.

I am a tall skinny lean natural build. I need to eat tons of carbs to pack on mass. Protein can be at about 350 a day for the rest of my life. Increasing or decreasing carbs is where I put on mass or cut fat.

Sadly, cutting fat also results in muscle loss for me. When I cut, I get flat looking. It takes about 10 days of carb bingeing then I fill out.
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If you loose muscle it;s possible your caloric intake is too low..im pretty much like you and I need a lot of carbs even when cuting
My cuting caloric intake is 3000cal/day min with the added cardio
 
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