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Natural cures, most are B.S.jumpshot said:
Acne, lets have serious discussion.....
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A Cleanser: There are many good gentle cleansers on the market. Look for a cleanser made specifically for the face that does not overdry. You want something that cleanses but does not strip the skin. Avoid using bath soap on your face.
A Moisturizer: If you use as much benzoyl peroxide as I recommend you will need a moisturizer so you can keep your skin from becoming overly dry. It is vitally important that you begin moisturizing from day one on the regimen, even if your skin doesn't seem to need it at first. Moisturizing will help keep your skin in balance and will help prevent some of the initial drying/reddening effects of benzoyl peroxide. Choose a non-comedogenic sunscreen for acne prone skin that contains moisturize
Note: My absolute favorite moisturizer is Eucerin Skin Renewal. No other moisturizer come close to its ability to prevent flakiness. However, Eucerin Skin Renewal contains lactic acid, a very gentle alpha hydroxy. Starting with an alpha hydroxy moisturizer at the onset of a benzoyl peroxide regimen could cause stinging. But do keep it in mind for once you have been on the regimen for a couple of weeks. It is the best one out there by far
A 2.5% benzoyl peroxide cream: Several studies show that a 2.5% benzoyl peroxide solution actually works better than the overdrying 10% solutions. So why are most of the benzoyl peroxide medications on the market in 10% strength? Because this is the legal limit for over-the-counter benzoyl peroxide and marketers know that people will always buy "maximum strength" if they can. However, in the case of benzoyl peroxide, maximum strength gels and creams are not as effective as their lower strength counterparts. As it turns out, 2.5% benzoyl peroxide is just as effective in killing acne bacteria as the higher concentrations. With 2.5% you get all the beneficial effects of benzoyl peroxide without the excess irritation that can make acne worse.
It may take your face a couple of weeks to get used to benzoyl peroxide
A Moisturizer: If you use as much benzoyl peroxide as I recommend you will need a moisturizer so you can keep your skin from becoming overly dry. It is vitally important that you begin moisturizing from day one on the regimen, even if your skin doesn't seem to need it at first. Moisturizing will help keep your skin in balance and will help prevent some of the initial drying/reddening effects of benzoyl peroxide. Choose a non-comedogenic sunscreen for acne prone skin that contains moisturize
Note: My absolute favorite moisturizer is Eucerin Skin Renewal. No other moisturizer come close to its ability to prevent flakiness. However, Eucerin Skin Renewal contains lactic acid, a very gentle alpha hydroxy. Starting with an alpha hydroxy moisturizer at the onset of a benzoyl peroxide regimen could cause stinging. But do keep it in mind for once you have been on the regimen for a couple of weeks. It is the best one out there by far
A 2.5% benzoyl peroxide cream: Several studies show that a 2.5% benzoyl peroxide solution actually works better than the overdrying 10% solutions. So why are most of the benzoyl peroxide medications on the market in 10% strength? Because this is the legal limit for over-the-counter benzoyl peroxide and marketers know that people will always buy "maximum strength" if they can. However, in the case of benzoyl peroxide, maximum strength gels and creams are not as effective as their lower strength counterparts. As it turns out, 2.5% benzoyl peroxide is just as effective in killing acne bacteria as the higher concentrations. With 2.5% you get all the beneficial effects of benzoyl peroxide without the excess irritation that can make acne worse.
It may take your face a couple of weeks to get used to benzoyl peroxide
Anthony Starks
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jumpshot said:
Ummm, no if I was in the dark ages herbal crap would be exactly what I'd be using. Thank god I'm not though, because most of it is just junk made by unscrupulous people trying to make a buck off of people's naivate and ignorance as to how the human body works.
Anthony Starks
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By the way, if you think Kevin Trudeau's homo natural cures book is good proof, you're an idiot:
Kevin Trudeau's Snake Oil Empire
The time has come to take up the case of Kevin Trudeau. His pernicious book has hit the top of the New York Times best-seller list, a fact that the paper itself seems to find surprising. This 570-page doorstop is an ax job on my industry and my field of research, and accuses my peers and me of complicity in terrible amounts of human suffering. ("The drug industry does not want people to get healthy" is one of his favorite lines.)
How, you wonder, do people like me accomplish such awful things? Why, by denying consumers wonderful all-natural cures for just about everything that could possibly be wrong with them. And how do you find out about these wonders? By forking out for Trudeau's book, naturally. And when you find out that there's hardly a paragraph of specific information in the whole thing, then you can go pay him more money to get access to the untold amounts of crap on his web site. $499, according to the Times, will buy you a lifetime membership. This from a man who says "I changed my priority from making money to positively impacting people."
The medical rationales Trudeau offers are hardly worth even discussing, and make me feel like positively impacting the man with a spiked club. Readers who know some biochemistry might be forgiven if they haven't heard that "If your body is alkaline, you cannot get cancer. . .and if you have cancer, it goes away." I would be interested to hear what on earth he means by a person's body being alkaline - last I heard, my blood was at pH 7.4. But there's really no sense in arguing with the sort of person who can get things like this out with a straight face.
This is someone who spins tales of herbal clinics that cure cancer, every time. Of wonderful all-natural cures that will reverse type I diabetes. Of simple cures for multiple sclerosis, for heart disease. These are not harmless ideas - these are lies that can kill people, and given the number of books Trudeau has sold, they probably have. Perhaps his next book will detail the story of his consciencectomy. No doubt Kevin Trudeau moves around from mansion to mansion, but how he can sleep at night in any of them escapes me."
The New York Times
Kevin Trudeau's Snake Oil Empire
The time has come to take up the case of Kevin Trudeau. His pernicious book has hit the top of the New York Times best-seller list, a fact that the paper itself seems to find surprising. This 570-page doorstop is an ax job on my industry and my field of research, and accuses my peers and me of complicity in terrible amounts of human suffering. ("The drug industry does not want people to get healthy" is one of his favorite lines.)
How, you wonder, do people like me accomplish such awful things? Why, by denying consumers wonderful all-natural cures for just about everything that could possibly be wrong with them. And how do you find out about these wonders? By forking out for Trudeau's book, naturally. And when you find out that there's hardly a paragraph of specific information in the whole thing, then you can go pay him more money to get access to the untold amounts of crap on his web site. $499, according to the Times, will buy you a lifetime membership. This from a man who says "I changed my priority from making money to positively impacting people."
The medical rationales Trudeau offers are hardly worth even discussing, and make me feel like positively impacting the man with a spiked club. Readers who know some biochemistry might be forgiven if they haven't heard that "If your body is alkaline, you cannot get cancer. . .and if you have cancer, it goes away." I would be interested to hear what on earth he means by a person's body being alkaline - last I heard, my blood was at pH 7.4. But there's really no sense in arguing with the sort of person who can get things like this out with a straight face.
This is someone who spins tales of herbal clinics that cure cancer, every time. Of wonderful all-natural cures that will reverse type I diabetes. Of simple cures for multiple sclerosis, for heart disease. These are not harmless ideas - these are lies that can kill people, and given the number of books Trudeau has sold, they probably have. Perhaps his next book will detail the story of his consciencectomy. No doubt Kevin Trudeau moves around from mansion to mansion, but how he can sleep at night in any of them escapes me."
The New York Times
Anthony Starks
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Another for you Jumpshot...
"Word of caution: Kevin Trudeau is not a trusted name in the infomercial business. He has been ordered beforeto stop the advertising techniques that he uses (deceptive) by the FTC.
As in other cases before, (not only Kevin Trudeau), he was ordered by the FTC to payback untold thousands of dollars to his ex-customers.
You can check out more about Kevin Trudeau at,
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2004/09/trudeaucoral.htm
Some of the many products Kevin Trudeau has marketed are Mega Reading System, Mega Memory System, Action Reading System, Hair Farming, Eden’s Secret, and now the book "NATURAL CURES "THEY' DON'T WANT YOU TO FIND OUT ABOUT".
The concept of Kevin Trudeaus marketing ploy was to make his ads appear to be news orientated and thus not a paid for announcement.
As such, the message we now see, "The following is a paid advertisement, and this station does not necessarily agree with, or endorse any of these products", is a result of the Kevin Trudeau marketing ploy."
"Word of caution: Kevin Trudeau is not a trusted name in the infomercial business. He has been ordered beforeto stop the advertising techniques that he uses (deceptive) by the FTC.
As in other cases before, (not only Kevin Trudeau), he was ordered by the FTC to payback untold thousands of dollars to his ex-customers.
You can check out more about Kevin Trudeau at,
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2004/09/trudeaucoral.htm
Some of the many products Kevin Trudeau has marketed are Mega Reading System, Mega Memory System, Action Reading System, Hair Farming, Eden’s Secret, and now the book "NATURAL CURES "THEY' DON'T WANT YOU TO FIND OUT ABOUT".
The concept of Kevin Trudeaus marketing ploy was to make his ads appear to be news orientated and thus not a paid for announcement.
As such, the message we now see, "The following is a paid advertisement, and this station does not necessarily agree with, or endorse any of these products", is a result of the Kevin Trudeau marketing ploy."
Anthony Starks
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I like the "magic bullet" part best...
The consensus seems to be that the average person loses ten cups (where one cup = eight ounces) of fluid per day but also takes in four cups of water from food, leaving a need to drink only six glasses to make up the difference, a bit short of the recommended eight to ten glasses per day. But according to the above-cited article, medical experts don't agree that even that much water is necessary:
Kidney specialists do agree on one thing, however: that the 8-by-8 rule is a gross overestimate of any required minimum. To replace daily losses of water, an average-sized adult with healthy kidneys sitting in a temperate climate needs no more than one liter of fluid, according to Jurgen Schnermann, a kidney physiologist at the National Institutes of Health.
One liter is the equivalent of about four 8-ounce glasses. According to most estimates, that's roughly the amount of water most Americans get in solid food. In short, though doctors don't recommend it, many of us could cover our bare-minimum daily water needs without drinking anything during the day.
Certainly there are beneficial health effects attendant with being adequately hydrated, and some studies have seemingly demonstrated correlations between such variables as increased water intake and a decreased risk of colon cancer. But are 75% of Americans really "chronically dehydrated," as claimed in the anonymous e-mail quoted in our example? Many of the notions (and dubious "facts") presented in that e-mail seem to have been taken from the book Your Body's Many Cries for Water, by Fereydoon Batmanghelidj. Dr. Batmanghelidj, an Iranian-born physician who now lives in the USA, maintains that people "need to learn they're not sick, only thirsty,'' and that simply drinking more water "cures many diseases like arthritis, angina, migraines, hypertension and asthma." However, he arrived at his conclusions through reading, not research, and he claims that his ideas represent a "paradigm shift" that required him to self-publish his book lest his findings "be suppressed.''
Other doctors certainly take issue with his figures:
ome nutritionists insist that half the country is walking around dehydrated. We drink too much coffee, tea and sodas containing caffeine, which prompts the body to lose water, they say; and when we are dehydrated, we don't know enough to drink.
Can it be so? Should healthy adults really be stalking the water cooler to protect themselves from creeping dehydration?
Not at all, doctors say. "The notion that there is widespread dehydration has no basis in medical fact," says Dr. Robert Alpern, dean of the medical school at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas.
Doctors from a wide range of specialties agree: By all evidence, we are a well-hydrated nation. Furthermore, they say, the current infatuation with water as an all-purpose health potion — tonic for the skin, key to weight loss — is a blend of fashion and fiction and very little science.
Additionally, the idea that one must specifically drink water because the diuretic effects of caffeinated drinks such as coffee, tea, and soda actually produce a net loss of fluid appears to be erroneous. The average person retains about half to two-thirds the amount of fluid taken in by consuming these types of beverages, and those who regularly consume caffeinated drinks retain even more:
Regular coffee and tea drinkers become accustomed to caffeine and lose little, if any, fluid. In a study published in the October issue of the Journal of the American College of Nutrition, researchers at the Center for Human Nutrition in Omaha measured how different combinations of water, coffee and caffeinated sodas affected the hydration status of 18 healthy adults who drink caffeinated beverages routinely.
"We found no significant differences at all," says nutritionist Ann Grandjean, the study's lead author. "The purpose of the study was to find out if caffeine is dehydrating in healthy people who are drinking normal amounts of it. It is not."
The same goes for tea, juice, milk and caffeinated sodas: One glass provides about the same amount of hydrating fluid as a glass of water. The only common drinks that produce a net loss of fluids are those containing alcohol — and usually it takes more than one of those to cause noticeable dehydration, doctors say.
The best general advice (keeping in mind that there are always exceptions) is to rely upon your normal senses. If you feel thirsty, drink — if you don't feel thirsty, don't drink unless you want to. The exhortation that we all need to satisfy an arbitrarily rigid rule about how much water we must drink every day was aptly skewered in a letter by a Los Angeles Times reader:
Although not trained in medicine or nutrition, I intuitively knew that the advice to drink eight glasses of water per day was nonsense. The advice fully meets three important criteria for being an American health urban legend: excess, public virtue, and the search for a cheap "magic bullet."
macrophage69alpha said:
The consensus seems to be that the average person loses ten cups (where one cup = eight ounces) of fluid per day but also takes in four cups of water from food, leaving a need to drink only six glasses to make up the difference, a bit short of the recommended eight to ten glasses per day. But according to the above-cited article, medical experts don't agree that even that much water is necessary:
Kidney specialists do agree on one thing, however: that the 8-by-8 rule is a gross overestimate of any required minimum. To replace daily losses of water, an average-sized adult with healthy kidneys sitting in a temperate climate needs no more than one liter of fluid, according to Jurgen Schnermann, a kidney physiologist at the National Institutes of Health.
One liter is the equivalent of about four 8-ounce glasses. According to most estimates, that's roughly the amount of water most Americans get in solid food. In short, though doctors don't recommend it, many of us could cover our bare-minimum daily water needs without drinking anything during the day.
Certainly there are beneficial health effects attendant with being adequately hydrated, and some studies have seemingly demonstrated correlations between such variables as increased water intake and a decreased risk of colon cancer. But are 75% of Americans really "chronically dehydrated," as claimed in the anonymous e-mail quoted in our example? Many of the notions (and dubious "facts") presented in that e-mail seem to have been taken from the book Your Body's Many Cries for Water, by Fereydoon Batmanghelidj. Dr. Batmanghelidj, an Iranian-born physician who now lives in the USA, maintains that people "need to learn they're not sick, only thirsty,'' and that simply drinking more water "cures many diseases like arthritis, angina, migraines, hypertension and asthma." However, he arrived at his conclusions through reading, not research, and he claims that his ideas represent a "paradigm shift" that required him to self-publish his book lest his findings "be suppressed.''
Other doctors certainly take issue with his figures:
Can it be so? Should healthy adults really be stalking the water cooler to protect themselves from creeping dehydration?
Not at all, doctors say. "The notion that there is widespread dehydration has no basis in medical fact," says Dr. Robert Alpern, dean of the medical school at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas.
Doctors from a wide range of specialties agree: By all evidence, we are a well-hydrated nation. Furthermore, they say, the current infatuation with water as an all-purpose health potion — tonic for the skin, key to weight loss — is a blend of fashion and fiction and very little science.
Additionally, the idea that one must specifically drink water because the diuretic effects of caffeinated drinks such as coffee, tea, and soda actually produce a net loss of fluid appears to be erroneous. The average person retains about half to two-thirds the amount of fluid taken in by consuming these types of beverages, and those who regularly consume caffeinated drinks retain even more:
Regular coffee and tea drinkers become accustomed to caffeine and lose little, if any, fluid. In a study published in the October issue of the Journal of the American College of Nutrition, researchers at the Center for Human Nutrition in Omaha measured how different combinations of water, coffee and caffeinated sodas affected the hydration status of 18 healthy adults who drink caffeinated beverages routinely.
"We found no significant differences at all," says nutritionist Ann Grandjean, the study's lead author. "The purpose of the study was to find out if caffeine is dehydrating in healthy people who are drinking normal amounts of it. It is not."
The same goes for tea, juice, milk and caffeinated sodas: One glass provides about the same amount of hydrating fluid as a glass of water. The only common drinks that produce a net loss of fluids are those containing alcohol — and usually it takes more than one of those to cause noticeable dehydration, doctors say.
The best general advice (keeping in mind that there are always exceptions) is to rely upon your normal senses. If you feel thirsty, drink — if you don't feel thirsty, don't drink unless you want to. The exhortation that we all need to satisfy an arbitrarily rigid rule about how much water we must drink every day was aptly skewered in a letter by a Los Angeles Times reader:
Although not trained in medicine or nutrition, I intuitively knew that the advice to drink eight glasses of water per day was nonsense. The advice fully meets three important criteria for being an American health urban legend: excess, public virtue, and the search for a cheap "magic bullet."
jumpshot
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It's obvious you're passionate about this. I'm not looking to get into an argument. I take from his book the parts I concur with. Whether or not there is motive behind the pharmaceutical industry's monstrosity I do not know. I will say this. 95% of the doctors I call on will throw a pill down your throat faster than you can say exercise and diet. His prologue right up until he starts in on "How to Cure" is fairly intriguing and I identify with it having worked face to face with this industry for 7 years.
Say what you will. But assuming drugs are the god-given solution to all your ailments is suicide.
Good luck!
Say what you will. But assuming drugs are the god-given solution to all your ailments is suicide.
Good luck!
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Re: Another for you Jumpshot...
Yeah, the guy claims that there is a cure for diabetes, etc but they cant say that because FDA wont let them. What a bunch of bullshit. All he's doing is trying to make money by scamming people. My brother bought the book, waste of money, I looked at some of that stuff and the whole thing is pretty much useless.Anthony Starks said:
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UA_Iron
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Accutane is the shit.
even ran dbol with it and liver values checked out fine. They were wondering why my cholesterol was like 17/160 or something like that haha.
even ran dbol with it and liver values checked out fine. They were wondering why my cholesterol was like 17/160 or something like that haha.
macrophage69alpha
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try actually posting studies to back up claims, not reposting snopes articles (without giving credit)
Nutr Rev. 2005 Jun;63(6 Pt 2):S30-9. Related Articles, Links
Human water needs.
Sawka MN, Cheuvront SN, Carter R 3rd.
Thermal and Mountain Medicine Division, US Army Research Institute of Environmental Medicine, Natick, MA 01760-5007, USA. [email protected]
Healthy humans regulate daily water balance remarkably well across their lifespan despite changes in biological development and exposure to stressors on hydration status. Acute or chronic body water deficits result when intakes are reduced or losses increase, but day-to-day hydration is generally well maintained so long as food and fluid are readily available. Total water intake includes drinking water, water in beverages, and water in food. Daily water needs determined from fluid balance, water turnover, or consumption studies provide similar values for a given set of conditions. A daily water intake of 3.7 L for adult men and 2.7 L for adult women meets the needs of the vast majority of persons. However, strenuous physical exercise and heat stress can greatly increase daily water needs, and the individual variability between athletes can be substantial.
3.7 liters= 1 gallon= 16 8oz cups of water
thats for an average adult male, non bodybuilder, non athelete, non steroid user, whose bodyweight is between 160-170lbs
Nutr Rev. 2005 Jun;63(6 Pt 2):S30-9. Related Articles, Links
Human water needs.
Sawka MN, Cheuvront SN, Carter R 3rd.
Thermal and Mountain Medicine Division, US Army Research Institute of Environmental Medicine, Natick, MA 01760-5007, USA. [email protected]
Healthy humans regulate daily water balance remarkably well across their lifespan despite changes in biological development and exposure to stressors on hydration status. Acute or chronic body water deficits result when intakes are reduced or losses increase, but day-to-day hydration is generally well maintained so long as food and fluid are readily available. Total water intake includes drinking water, water in beverages, and water in food. Daily water needs determined from fluid balance, water turnover, or consumption studies provide similar values for a given set of conditions. A daily water intake of 3.7 L for adult men and 2.7 L for adult women meets the needs of the vast majority of persons. However, strenuous physical exercise and heat stress can greatly increase daily water needs, and the individual variability between athletes can be substantial.
3.7 liters= 1 gallon= 16 8oz cups of water
thats for an average adult male, non bodybuilder, non athelete, non steroid user, whose bodyweight is between 160-170lbs
