30 years old, low T, started TRT but no positive results

[Smallguy85]

I mean crap... Even I gotta call bull shit on that kid...20 and low test?!?! Seriously?!?! I was questioning stuff Even my case of low T at the age of 25 and still questioned it at 28 which is EXACTLY why I posted my post... Well not exactly why but I asked questions and people had good advice.

 

[Desq]

I mean crap... Even I gotta call bull shit on that kid...20 and low test?!?! Seriously?!?! I was questioning stuff Even my case of low T at the age of 25 and still questioned it at 28 which is EXACTLY why I posted my post... Well not exactly why but I asked questions and people had good advice.

In all fairness, the idea that doctors aren't all geniuses is an alien concept to many people. I used to hold doctors in extremely high regard and took their word as gospel. It was only until I became a lawyer and studied the field of medical malpractice did I realize the extent to which doctors are fallible. Many of them are shockingly out of date on their knowledge of their own field. I've seen cross-examinations of doctors by lawyers who made them look like absolute buffoons by exposing their lack of fairly basic knowledge of fields that they hold themselves out as being specialists in.

With that said, unless a person is willing to sit down and do some hardcore research while being very careful about only looking at credible sources, I would advise the average person to listen to their doctor.

 

[Zyglamail]

I think the vast majority of doctors do really care and want to help people but the system is broken. The FDA and big pharma make the rules tying the hands of many doctors, limiting what they can say and prescribe.

With that said, unless a person is willing to sit down and do some hardcore research while being very careful about only looking at credible sources, I would advise the average person to listen to their doctor.

Unfortunately this is the exact reason over half a million people die each year from heart disease alone. People blindly take the drugs they are prescribed to address symptoms alone and they dont even realize heart disease is totally preventable and reversible.

Modern medicine doesnt seek to cure, they seek to simply control symptoms and controlling symptoms MAY increase quality of life it very often doesnt do anything to increase actual life span.

So many common ailments can be cured or prevented by natural means but now the machine has grown too big and too dependent on income from keeping people ill that it cant afford to cure people.

The knowledge everyone needs to start living a healthier life has never been easier to find and get. Just a half dozen books and the access we have to studies online is all we really need.

If I had access to the info I have now 20 years ago, I would have never had to suffer with the nagging issues I am now overcoming with nutrition.

 

[Stevewc1]

Just FYI guys I'm on TRT, but I also added Tren and my estrogen level went up to 36. The clinic I go to doubled my armidex dose and my estrogen went down to 7. My point is I feel fine even though my estrogen was super low. my clinic now told me obviously to stop the armidex. I guess everyone is different I never felt lethargic or low sex drive with estrogen being that low.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Unfortunately this is the exact reason over half a million people die each year from heart disease alone. People blindly take the drugs they are prescribed to address symptoms alone

And we all have seen the commercials for some of the side effects of these widely prescribed drugs. Often worse than the symptoms of the condition the drugs are for in the first place.

Just like Cannabis and prostate cancer. Plus a few other forms of cancer. Cannabis (especially refined medical cannabis without the thc) has so many health benefits its ridiculous. But try and convince someone in their 60's or 70's of that. Oh no...i'm not going to smoke "the pot". That's drug use. But here my doctor gave me this pill that will give me a heart attack, stroke, ect.
Lovely.
Or maybe they go ask their doctors about it. The doctor obviously realizes someone is trying to influence them and thinks...well that would mean no more $$ from their insurance...so "no cannabis wont help your particular situation".
Many of them are completely clueless. Many of them are just plain scum bags. Very few of them really give a shit. Or if they do give a shit they are so far in the stone age that their help actually hurts you. Like Doctors who give poor bastards TRT injections once a month or every 3 weeks. I remember a poor bastard a couple years ago here. His doc gave him 300mg every 4 weeks of Cyp. Way to create a endocrine roller coaster for this poor fuck.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Just FYI guys I'm on TRT, but I also added Tren and my estrogen level went up to 36. The clinic I go to doubled my armidex dose and my estrogen went down to 7. My point is I feel fine even though my estrogen was super low. my clinic now told me obviously to stop the armidex. I guess everyone is different I never felt lethargic or low sex drive with estrogen being that low.

I'm surprised your joints weren't killing you.

 

[stevesmi]

And we all have seen the commercials for some of the side effects of these widely prescribed drugs. Often worse than the symptoms of the condition the drugs are for in the first place.

Just like Cannabis and prostate cancer. Plus a few other forms of cancer. Cannabis (especially refined medical cannabis without the thc) has so many health benefits its ridiculous. But try and convince someone in their 60's or 70's of that. Oh no...i'm not going to smoke "the pot". That's drug use. But here my doctor gave me this pill that will give me a heart attack, stroke, ect.
Lovely.
Or maybe they go ask their doctors about it. The doctor obviously realizes someone is trying to influence them and thinks...well that would mean no more $$ from their insurance...so "no cannabis wont help your particular situation".
Many of them are completely clueless. Many of them are just plain scum bags. Very few of them really give a shit. Or if they do give a shit they are so far in the stone age that their help actually hurts you. Like Doctors who give poor bastards TRT injections once a month or every 3 weeks. I remember a poor bastard a couple years ago here. His doc gave him 300mg every 4 weeks of Cyp. Way to create a endocrine roller coaster for this poor fuck.

i agree bro. and they are egomaniacs and cocky on EVERYTHING.. they know it all. there are a couple i have experienced who are genuinely good guys, but only because I know them personally.

 

[Stevewc1]

I don't know why either. Just got my bloods done last week and not one symptom from having low estrogen levels. I'm not advocating low estrogen levels, just no symptons. Clinic even warned me that we want to bring it up to 20 or so.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

i agree bro. and they are egomaniacs and cocky on EVERYTHING.. they know it all. there are a couple i have experienced who are genuinely good guys, but only because I know them personally.

My muscoskeletal/prolotherapy doc is one of those guys. He's a great guy. He is constantly going to conventions, seminars, clinics ect... to keep up on the newest techniques and procedures in his field. Which is great because he likes to use my tendons as guinea pigs for these new treatments.
My primary is actually a NP but she does what she can as much as she can because if she gets too aggressive the stupid bitch MD she works for will give her shit because she is in the stone age and shouldn't be practicing medicine other than poisoning kids and old people with flu shots and attending to mumps and measles and chickenpox.

 

[Zyglamail]

I don't know why either. Just got my bloods done last week and not one symptom from having low estrogen levels. I'm not advocating low estrogen levels, just no symptons. Clinic even warned me that we want to bring it up to 20 or so.

It all comes back to duration. My guess is you havent had low E for very long. The longer you have it the more likely sides will show. Just like a nutrient deficiency, you may not manifest noticeable sides for weeks, months or possibly even years or decades. Its not black and white but shades of grey.