30 years old, low T, started TRT but no positive results

[stevesmi]

I just told you labs dont mean shit. Just because your T3 and T4 are in the normal range does not mean your thyroid is functioning optimally. This is not a clear cut case of broken or not broken, its about efficiency. Your thyroid very well may not be the problem but labs alone do not rule it out either. Google basal body temp and start taking your temp first thing in the morning before getting out of bed. Do that for a week and average the readings, if your BBT is under 97.6 your thyroid is likely not functioning optimally.

Let me try an analogy. You have a car, when brand new it was getting 40mpg but now is getting 30mpg. You take it into the shop, they pull codes from the computer and say there is nothing wrong and send you on your way, yet you are still getting 30mpg now when it used to get 40mpg.

It still runs, gets you from point A to point B but is NOT running OPTIMALLY! The symptom of this is reduced gas mileage yet the shop says they cant find anything wrong and its functioning normal.

Do you see my point? Your endo did labs and because your labs where in the normal range (ie no error codes on cars computer) he says your fine but your symptoms tell another story (ie car is only getting 30mpg instead of 40).

You just gave us a laundry list of symptoms you have yet because the doc said your fine that must mean your symptoms are all in your head.

Long story longer the common labs only tells the doc if there is a MAJOR problem but they dont look at nutrient/amino levels and when they do they often look at the wrong ones.

You need to realize your symptoms are real and they could be caused by one or more (likely related) issues. Most docs are limited in the testing they can perform because the insurance companies limit them. Most docs are clueless when it comes to nutrition and even when they arent their hands are often tied by the FDA rules and regulations.

Im not just blowing smoke here, ive had all your symptoms and more, many of them I have fixed naturally and feel better than I have in 10 years. Its not an easy or quick fix but the first thing you need to do is start taking some personal responsibility for your own health and stop blindly believing what the doc tells you. Im not saying meds wont necessarily be needed but if you do as much as you can with nutrition there is a very good chance that if you do need pharm meds the doses (and associated sides)will be much lower.

The world is full of people like you with a laundry list of side effects that arent bad enough for the medical community to take them seriously but they are bad enough to affect your life (hence you posting here for help). I have yet to encounter anyone (online or otherwise) who got complete relief by blinding following their allopathic doctors advice but I have encountered hundreds if not thousands who have addressed underlying nutrient deficiencies and toxins and have made incredible improvements.

You passed the bar so your obviously no idiot, put some of the intelligence to work and do some of your own research and decide for yourself.

maybe the best post I have ever seen on EF... so true

 

[stevesmi]

For some reason, the endo didn't bother asking the lab to test my E2 levels until I asked him to, so the only E2 reading I have is from the most recent exam...which, as I said before, is 36 - which, from what I understand, is high-normal, but still normal.

your E levels are fine, i would much rather it be 36 than 6.

low E is awful

 

[Desq]

He stated his E level in first post. Regardless, in his case and with his symptoms I would expect it to be high normal or high. Once again you start to get things in order with nutrients and everything falls into place.

Any specifics or general guidelines you can recommend, in terms of nutrition? My diet is fairly balanced, as far as I can tell. (Fairly protein-heavy, as I'm trying to put on muscle.) And my bloodlabs didn't show any deficiencies. As far as supplements, I take fish oil, Vitamin D3, Iron, and Magnesium.

EDIT: Or perhaps you can point me to some resource or article or whatever, something that talks about how to find/diagnose and address nutrition deficiencies that could result in these symptoms.

 

[philbilly]

Wow can't believe I missed that, sorry fellas carry on.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ medivin form mr supps is an excellent multi

or if you want ruthless has a good multi at NTBM

I will also recommend growing a veggie garden and learning how to make a veggie shake for breakfast. its full of minerals and vitamins

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Thanks Zyglamail (and everyone else). I'll dig a little deeper. Any further comments are appreciated.

Recommendations would be do not take your ENDO or DR's word as gold. The majority of them practice just enough "medicine" to get by and not get sued and dont have a fucking clue. If it wasn't written in their class books they don't know it.
Example:
The super specialist best in the state ENDO told my wife that her thyroid was fine when she was gaining weight on a cutting diet and running 6 miles ED, and her hair was falling out in clumps and her hands were going numb all the time and she had no sex drive, cholesterol was high, moody to the extreme, IBS, and a host of other things. This super endo was after going to doctor after doctor. Fortunately after enough research I found enough information to fix her. I found it....not these genius', and when I brought the proposed "fix" protocol and meds to be used and doses to their attention anyone we spoke to said no, I'm not doing that. Even after handing them pages of science to back it up from a handful of doctors that REALLY DO know wtf they are doing on this subject they scoffed at it.
They wanted to put my wife on a drug for every symptom when all she needed was thyroid meds. The CORRECT KIND and dosed aggressively until symptoms went away and then changed to maintenance. We bought the meds from overseas did it ourselves after learning how to interoperate the bloods and what tests to get done specifically.... most of these tests are ones that were not ordered by any of these morons we saw. It really only took about 3 mos to turn everything around. Now, A year later, 45 lb lighter and symptom free and feeling and looking better than she has in 12 years who is the asshole? All because every douche bag in the medical profession we saw said "your numbers are in range...it looks fine" . Numbers in a range mean shit. Especially when the range is so over exaggerated. They worry about labs more than treating symptoms. << when it comes to things like Low T, Thyroid and things like that anyways. These things must be treated on symptoms first. You might feel great on 300ng/dl of total test. I know I would feel like I was going to die on anything less than 500ng/dl.


Do your own research. Take into account the experiences of others who have been where you are. Always question anyone in the medical profession. Remember, they work for you. Not the other way around. People forget that. Just like when they tell old people they should get a flu shot and poison their bodies. The old people are programmed to trust the doctors and they go right along with it. Hey, it cant be full of poison because the channel 5 news, and my doctor says its good right? Question everything at all times.

 

[Zyglamail]

Any specifics or general guidelines you can recommend, in terms of nutrition? My diet is fairly balanced, as far as I can tell. (Fairly protein-heavy, as I'm trying to put on muscle.) And my bloodlabs didn't show any deficiencies. As far as supplements, I take fish oil, Vitamin D3, Iron, and Magnesium.

EDIT: Or perhaps you can point me to some resource or article or whatever, something that talks about how to find/diagnose and address nutrition deficiencies that could result in these symptoms.

The first thing I can tell you is stop taking iron, there is no reason a meat eating man should ever take iron unless you have some crazy disease.

I would start with a good multivitamin and build off of that.

Instead of recreating the wheel I will point you at this thread for a start.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/l...masters-bodybuilding/young-low-t-1279183.html

Of course the Original poster of that thread thinks im full of shit, but thats fine, im sure his docs appreciate him making their Mercedes payments.

Looks like I need to create an all encompassing article on the whole thing but guys with laundry lists of issues is becoming more and more common and at younger and younger ages.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ yeah the numbers in range thing is bullshit because we all are different.

example being BUN levels.. how can you judge a bodybuilders BUN levels vs. a normal 40 year old joe schmo? obviously a BB is gonna be going through muscle replacement which will elevate those levels vs. a normal guy. if you are gonna depend on a book to diagnose vs. real life experience you are nuts. thats why this site kick ass to share real info and experiences, not what some 22 year old doogie howser studied doing tests on rats lol

 

[Smallguy85]

The supps on me supps page... Are they natural blends? I tried finding ingredient lists but no luck

 

[Smallguy85]

The first thing I can tell you is stop taking iron, there is no reason a meat eating man should ever take iron unless you have some crazy disease.

I would start with a good multivitamin and build off of that.

Instead of recreating the wheel I will point you at this thread for a start.

.elitefitness.com/forum/life-extension-andropause-masters-bodybuilding/young-low-t-1279183

Of course the Original poster of that thread thinks im full of shit, but thats fine, im sure his docs appreciate him making their Mercedes payments.

Looks like I need to create an all encompassing article on the whole thing but guys with laundry lists of issues is becoming more and more common and at younger and younger ages.

Holy s*** that guy who posted the "young and low t" is really somethin!!!! I thought I was bad... Yeeeesh