21 yo- possible future cycle ideas?

[dh92]

Hi, guys.

Don't jump on me just yet. Just feeling things out.

I've been training steadily for 3 years now, gained 15 kilos in that time. I've had two cycles suggested to me by my personal trainer, a fitness model.

First cycle:

1 ml - 300 mg Primobolan
1 ml - 500 mg Sustanon 250
1/2 ml - 200 mg Boldenon

2 x week

1 mg Arimidex each day, 20 mg Turinabol each day

Second cycle (don't have all the specifics):

300 mg Primobolan
Equipoise
HGH
Test (possibly, my suggestion to my personal trainer)

Hopefully Arimidex will fall part of the cycle as well, but if Test isn't added, apparently I don't need it.

Please share any or all considerations. Yes, it isn't ideal to take gear at my age, but if I'm going to consider doing it, I want to be as "safe" as it can possible be. I know of a lot of guys at my age treating steroids like Pac-Man pellets.

I don't want to follow their route.

 

[fonzie2107]

The general guidelines for a first cycle would be simply test only.

12 weeks - 500mg/week - shot twice a week.

If you start stacking several things and you react badly to something how will you know whats causing it?

Test only will get you good results and anything more than this isn't really needed.

 

[RickRock13]

I would continue naturally for a few years, but if you do cycle you certainly shouldn't start off with multiple compounds. A simple Test Only cycle with an oral kick start is more than ample. I will lay it out for you

1-12 Test E 500mg per week
1-6 Primoboldex 3 caps per day
1-12 N2guard
1-12 Aromasin 25mg EOD
1-12 HCGenerate

Then follow it up with this PCT

Liquid Clomid 50/50/25/25 (AncillaryGuys // AG-Guys.com - The #1 online Natural Ancillary retailer!)
Liquid Aromasin (AncillaryGuys // AG-Guys.com - The #1 online Natural Ancillary retailer!)
Test Stack 17 or PHYTOSERMS (PM me for info and discounts)
Ostarine 25mg per day (SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators)

 

[Francofranco]

Commend you bro for being patient. My first cycle was test prop at 500mg week. It was great. Before the test cycle I had already got up to 245 pounds, 15-18bf ( wish it had been lower lol) sweating it out in the gym and as an athlete. I know we are all different but sometimes I wonder if I started earlier if it would have been different. Still I don't get real crazy with cycles(still consider myself novice) and just test only still gets me jacked but the point I am making is nothing will replace how we train and diet AND most importantly your mind set. I'm sure we all feel that way but anyways just thought ide share with you some personal insights.

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[25homes]

Do what Rick rock says

 

[dh92]

The general guidelines for a first cycle would be simply test only.

12 weeks - 500mg/week - shot twice a week.

If you start stacking several things and you react badly to something how will you know whats causing it?

Test only will get you good results and anything more than this isn't really needed.

Hey. Thanks, but Test has a big chance of causing hair loss? I heard other compounds are safer when it comes to DHT.

I have taken many supplements over the years and APPARENTLY (according to one hair doctor quack) I have had some hair loss. Only when comparing high school pics with pics of 21 yo me, did I realise, you know what, I have always had a high forehead, no hair had been lost whatsoever. Two thousand dollars down the drain for laser hair regeneration treatments that didn't even bring results.

 

[dh92]

I would continue naturally for a few years, but if you do cycle you certainly shouldn't start off with multiple compounds. A simple Test Only cycle with an oral kick start is more than ample. I will lay it out for you

1-12 Test E 500mg per week
1-6 Primoboldex 3 caps per day
1-12 N2guard
1-12 Aromasin 25mg EOD
1-12 HCGenerate

Then follow it up with this PCT

Liquid Clomid 50/50/25/25 (AncillaryGuys // AG-Guys.com - The #1 online Natural Ancillary retailer!)
Liquid Aromasin (AncillaryGuys // AG-Guys.com - The #1 online Natural Ancillary retailer!)
Test Stack 17 or PHYTOSERMS (PM me for info and discounts)
Ostarine 25mg per day (SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators)

Would Test E also be shot twice a week? Primoboldex would be similar to Turinabol, correct?

I've never heard of N2guard, Aromasin or HCGenerate. Are they injectables?

Is there is difference between regular Test and Test E/Test P?

By the way, I don't say this often, impressive body, bro!!

 

[dh92]

Commend you bro for being patient. My first cycle was test prop at 500mg week. It was great. Before the test cycle I had already got up to 245 pounds, 15-18bf ( wish it had been lower lol) sweating it out in the gym and as an athlete. I know we are all different but sometimes I wonder if I started earlier if it would have been different. Still I don't get real crazy with cycles(still consider myself novice) and just test only still gets me jacked but the point I am making is nothing will replace how we train and diet AND most importantly your mind set. I'm sure we all feel that way but anyways just thought ide share with you some personal insights.

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I don't know if I'm as patients as I could be. I mean, let's face it, I'm still considering steroids at 21. That's young. I know of guys who started out at 16, 17, 18. That's not being patients and even steroids at 21 wouldn't be patient.

The thing is, I have a lot of respect for my personal trainer, he is a very successful fitness model and I know that he knows a thing or two about steroid cycles. He has made a lot of mistakes along the way, so now he can help me avoid the pitfalls.

But like I said, still looking for the safest route. And I know it's out there. I too believe that steroids get a bad reputation because of guys who don't know how to use them properly. If you are informed and careful, steroids can be safe.

 

[dh92]

Do what Rick rock says

Why do you say that? Please elaborate.

 

[James3703]

Why do you say that? Please elaborate.

Because Rick has been doing this for years and knows what hes talking about.

 

[dh92]

Because Rick has been doing this for years and knows what hes talking about.

Thanks, need to know when somebody's credible or not.

 

[Aplopez8]

I always had a high forehead lmaoooo that made me laugh way to hard

 

[dh92]

I always had a high forehead lmaoooo that made me laugh way to hard

Glad I could make you laugh.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I'd try a few supplement stacks and make more gains naturally. UNLEASHED, GEAR, BRIDGE -- will take you to the next level. As for a first cycle, if you can't see progrss from a couple of d-bol a day on a first cycle , you're not training right anyway.

 

[dh92]

I'd try a few supplement stacks and make more gains naturally. UNLEASHED, GEAR, BRIDGE -- will take you to the next level. As for a first cycle, if you can't see progrss from a couple of d-bol a day on a first cycle , you're not training right anyway.

Can you tell me more about UNLEASHED, GEAR and BRIDGE? Test boosters, mass gain shakes, whey protein? What are they?

Is D-Bol an oral steroid? How many do you take, for how long? Better than a Test cycle?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Can you tell me more about UNLEASHED, GEAR and BRIDGE? Test boosters, mass gain shakes, whey protein? What are they?

Is D-Bol an oral steroid? How many do you take, for how long? Better than a Test cycle?

Go to www.needtobuildmuscle.com

If you don't know what d-bol is you need to do a LOT more research.

 

[fonzie2107]

Just seen your stats from your other topic
Age: 21
Height: 1,73m
Body fat percentage: 8%
65kg

You shouldn't even be considering juice IMO. You are NOWHERE near your natural peak and the progress you can make from a decent diet and training alone is great.

No offence but you are 65kg and in my eyes thats tiny. I know guys (and girls) who have never stepped foot in a gym with better stats than you.

From the sounds of it you know very little about steroids and dieting. Even if you were to juice you would likely loose all your gains in a very short amount of time and it would be a waste of your time and money.

With your limited knowledge you will likely end up doing yourself some serious harm.

 

[dh92]

Just seen your stats from your other topic
Age: 21
Height: 1,73m
Body fat percentage: 8%
65kg

You shouldn't even be considering juice IMO. You are NOWHERE near your natural peak and the progress you can make from a decent diet and training alone is great.

No offence but you are 65kg and in my eyes thats tiny. I know guys (and girls) who have never stepped foot in a gym with better stats than you.

From the sounds of it you know very little about steroids and dieting. Even if you were to juice you would likely loose all your gains in a very short amount of time and it would be a waste of your time and money.

With your limited knowledge you will likely end up doing yourself some serious harm.

That's why I'm here. To increase my knowledge. I am tiny, you are 100% correct.
I'm short and I've always had a small body. Most guys on here start out at 65- 70 kilos. That's their starting weight!

I had to work myself up to their starting weight. My starting weight was 50 kilos! Not difficult to figure out why I am a bit annoyed. I developed manorexia from messing around with prescription drugs.

People look at me at the gym thinking "what's he doing here?", "he's so small", "why even bother?". But you know what? I've made gains. More than most guys my age, I just had a longer way to go. Going from 50 to 65 is impressive, but guess what, even at 65 kilos, even with 15 kilos under my belt, I'm still not "impressive" enough. I can lift just as heavy as they can, I am FUCKING STRONG for my size.

In my mind, and right now it's only in my mind and probably staying in mind, I think, just 1 or 2 cycles and guess what, people would finally just SHUT UP.

I know how to train, my trainer is a WBFF fitness model. And I don't think I could have gain as much muscle as I have if I didn't have at least some idea of what my diet should look like. So lay off...

 

[redheat7]

In my opinion unless u know what an individual steroid is and how it works u shudnt touch anything. If u don't know what Dbol is, u r not ready mentally. Learn more


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[fonzie2107]

I didn't mean to sound harsh, but 65kg isn't really a starting weight for steroids. You can and should put on a lot more mass than this. Whatever you are eating, eat more of it. If your body fat really is 8% just bulk for a while.

Yes it may have taken a lot of hard work for you to get to this point and to put those 15kg on... for that I commend you. But I think you should wait a while before considering any cycles.

From what you are saying you have made good progress and you can continue to do so naturally.

Also you said you developed 'manorexia' from messing with prescription drugs, so what makes you think that messing about with illegal drugs is going to help you? Steroids aren't miracle drugs

 

[MrSinister]

SARM's and food. Good place to start.

 

[Mr. Chicago]

65 kilos, can't eat, worried about a "puffy face" whatever the hell that means, to you could just be you can't see your boney ass cheeks anymore, stay the fuck away from the sauce! You'll just get bloated and gain weight, which is obviously the furthest thing from what you want. You don't know shit and can't listen worth a shit. I'm honestly so sick of reading your clueless and condescending posts like you actually know something. If I could reach through computer screens I'd be there to slap some sense into your scrawny ass in a second.

 

[bonacris]

Nobody would make fun of you in the gym.. unless your wearing wife beaters and a fucking hat then yeah I will but if you are there busting your ass nobody will say anything.

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[fonzie2107]

65 kilos, can't eat, worried about a "puffy face" whatever the hell that means, to you could just be you can't see your boney ass cheeks anymore, stay the fuck away from the sauce! You'll just get bloated and gain weight, which is obviously the furthest thing from what you want. You don't know shit and can't listen worth a shit. I'm honestly so sick of reading your clueless and condescending posts like you actually know something. If I could reach through computer screens I'd be there to slap some sense into your scrawny ass in a second.

Perfect response.
I'm certainly not the most knowledgeable person when it comes to steroids, but I AM willing to listen to people and take advice. After all how are people supposed to learn?

 

[Mr. Chicago]

Haha blame it on the tren but this kid has ignored every mod and experienced guy on here just waiting for that one asshole to tell him it's ok, which isn't going to happen so stop asking! Do your own research and then do what you want, let us all know how it works out for you.

 

[dh92]

65 kilos, can't eat, worried about a "puffy face" whatever the hell that means, to you could just be you can't see your boney ass cheeks anymore, stay the fuck away from the sauce! You'll just get bloated and gain weight, which is obviously the furthest thing from what you want. You don't know shit and can't listen worth a shit. I'm honestly so sick of reading your clueless and condescending posts like you actually know something. If I could reach through computer screens I'd be there to slap some sense into your scrawny ass in a second.

You honest to God think that I'm one of those guys who are scared of gaining weight? The type of guys who asks "does this make me look fat"? You say I'm the one with condescending posts? Get real, man!

I'm not going to stop asking questions, I'm not going to stop looking for answers. Whatever answer I get, I do actually listen to. While I'm on here, I might as well ask away.

You tell me I'm uneducated and I should do some research. Then I do some research, pose a couple of questions and I'm ridiculed for it. WTF!??!

I may serve as great entertainment to you, but you know what, ditto. I am able to spot the typical macho macho bodybuilder who comes on here wanting to single out the "weak" and "vulnerable" young guys. You sit behind the laptop screen and think "this is going to be fun, let's rip these little boys to shreds in order to boost my own fucked up ego". It's not, it's not winning you any respect. Every now and again, an equally sick and twisted guy will comment with "score!" or "touché!", but no one is laughing but you.

I don't want a puffy face, that's true. But who does? Am I a joke for stating it? I developed manorexia because of prescription drug addiction, not because I wanted to look that way. I eat clean every day, because in my mind I'm trying to make up for the unhealthy living of my past. Don't come on here and psycho analyse every single person.

It's easy, I know. Look, I just did. But we're going to be wrong each time.

 

[Redam]

I'm not going to say don't cycle because you're still young, because I start when I was 21. But it would be better to wait.

But if you really want to start if do

1-4 Dbol at 25mg daily
1-12 test E or C at 400-500mg weekly
1-4 Aromasin 12.5mg to 25mg daily depending if your gyno prone
5-18 12.5mg aromasin EOD or E3D depending how prone you are.

Your first cycle is experimenting on how prone you are how you react to the gear.

I'm not going into PCT because I see other people have. BUT YOUR PCT IS MORE CRUCIAL THAN THE CYCLE.

Make sure your pct is the best possible!

Enjoy brother and feel free to PM me for help if you want

 

[bonacris]

I'm not going to say don't cycle because you're still young, because I start when I was 21. But it would be better to wait.

But if you really want to start if do

1-4 Dbol at 25mg daily
1-12 test E or C at 400-500mg weekly
1-4 Aromasin 12.5mg to 25mg daily depending if your gyno prone
5-18 12.5mg aromasin EOD or E3D depending how prone you are.

Your first cycle is experimenting on how prone you are how you react to the gear.

I'm not going into PCT because I see other people have. BUT YOUR PCT IS MORE CRUCIAL THAN THE CYCLE.

Make sure your pct is the best possible!

Enjoy brother and feel free to PM me for help if you want

The age wasn't a concern. It was his size. He's only 65kg or 145lbs.

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[Redam]

Whoaaaaa must have missed that one. Ya bro just eat a ton a lift naturally!!! You have tons of growing still. You can get to 180 easily and solid

 

[stevesmi]

I read the whole thread and I have dealt with plenty of guys in your shoes and I was a major ectomorph myself. your issue is a few things but mainly

1. my 'trainer' did it so I will do it
2. I know 'guys' who have done it at 17 or 18
3. I am in Miami and I want to drive to NY in 10 hours..

the problem with this entire thought structure is when it comes to fitness it doesn't work. your trainer is your hero and that is great but he has been doing this his whole life, while you are very new to the game

guys who have done it young who cares, its YOUR BODY, not theirs

and you can't build Rome in 2 days. you need to keep at it and train and eat hard for YEARS.. not a few months. you been lifting for 3 years, that is NOTHING in fitness time. look I used to train with an Ironman who has been training since he was 8 years old, keeping up with the guy was impossible and I realized that no matter how hard I tried I could not catch up to him because he had so many hours already logged. he blew out his knee and couldn't do anything for 6 months, then 6 months later he was setting new PR's, that's called muscle memory and its a FACT. for you to have only 3 years of gym time is nothing compared to dudes in your gym who have been doing it for 3 DECADES.

you won't reach your peak until well into your 30's and even 40's. you are still only 21. you have put on 15K, that is a great start but you still are woefully shy of your natural potential.

hope this makes sense to you although it probably will fall on deaf ears

 

[kingcaesar1]

I would advise on using gear with short esters and a lower stack incase if there is a reaction with the stacked gear y'all advising him. Maybe not stacking at all for his first cycle. Like Test P and Armidex for 8 weeks. Then see how body reacts. Then take 1 month off and then use long esters like Test C or E with Armidex or Clomid for 8 weeks then one month off. If all is well then stack two compounds. That is the SAFEST way.
He is gonna use gear no matter what we say. I was stubborn like that when I was young but I ended up learning a hard lesson after- ended up with gyno and a torn shoulder. Mayb thats the way he is gonna learn.

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[dh92]

I read the whole thread and I have dealt with plenty of guys in your shoes and I was a major ectomorph myself. your issue is a few things but mainly

1. my 'trainer' did it so I will do it
2. I know 'guys' who have done it at 17 or 18
3. I am in Miami and I want to drive to NY in 10 hours..

the problem with this entire thought structure is when it comes to fitness it doesn't work. your trainer is your hero and that is great but he has been doing this his whole life, while you are very new to the game

guys who have done it young who cares, its YOUR BODY, not theirs

and you can't build Rome in 2 days. you need to keep at it and train and eat hard for YEARS.. not a few months. you been lifting for 3 years, that is NOTHING in fitness time. look I used to train with an Ironman who has been training since he was 8 years old, keeping up with the guy was impossible and I realized that no matter how hard I tried I could not catch up to him because he had so many hours already logged. he blew out his knee and couldn't do anything for 6 months, then 6 months later he was setting new PR's, that's called muscle memory and its a FACT. for you to have only 3 years of gym time is nothing compared to dudes in your gym who have been doing it for 3 DECADES.

you won't reach your peak until well into your 30's and even 40's. you are still only 21. you have put on 15K, that is a great start but you still are woefully shy of your natural potential.

hope this makes sense to you although it probably will fall on deaf ears

No, it isn't falling on deaf ears. I hear you. You actually have a way of getting through to a guy without trying to be a jerk.

I'm going to write down my whole diet and please guys, comment on that!

6 meals a day

Early in the morning I get up and drink 400ml of a mass gainer + 400ml amino acids shake before I take a shower.

After my shower, I eat breakfast. 5 egg whites, 1 egg yolk. I have been thinking of adding 100g of oats/maize meal to my breakfast.

Then I drink a pre workout shake, drink my pre workout pills and I go to work out.

While working out, I drink 1 intra workout shake. After the workout, again 1 mass gainer shake + 1 post workout shake + post workout pills.

Then during the day, another 5 meals.

The 5 meals would pretty much all be the same. 200/300g of beef with a portion of vegetables (baby marrows/broccoli or sweet potatoes). I have a couple of slices of pineapple with each meal.

One of the 5 meals would be before my evening workout session (I train 1 hour in the morning, 1 hour in the evening), also with a pre workout shake, pre workout pills, intra workout shake, post workout pills, post workout shake and mass gainer shake.

I don't know if I should up the amount of mass gainer shakes I have (one before I shower, one after each training session = 3). Perhaps have another one with each meal, but that would be overkill, right? And ingesting liquid while you're eating is bad for digestion, I've heard. Apparently too much liquid protein is also a bad thing.

After each meal, I drink the following: omega 3, CLA, green tea capsule, digestive enzymes, zinc supplement. I could possibly add vitamin c and a multi-vitamin...

Before I go to bed, after my last meal, I drink a test booster and hgh booster. A mass gainer shakes before bedtime is a good idea, right? Almost ideal?

I drink lots of water during the day, when I'm not eating. And I easily drink 2 litres of water while I'm working out (after I finished drinking my intra workout shakes). That's not taking into account the water I get from pre, intra and post workout shakes.

I drink my mass gainer shakes with milk. Goat's milk, oats milk or lactose free low fat cow's milk. Thoughts?

Please let me know what you guys think.

 

[dh92]

I am not going to use gear whether you advise me to or not!!!! I really just want to know more!!!! If i am informed, i can make a clear decision, and a clear decision would obviously not be to take gear!!!

 

[Race121]

Read more, write less.

 

[Mr. Chicago]

^^^ Agreed, and asking questions and getting others personal opinions and experience on the idea is not research just so you know.

 

[fonzie2107]

If you make a new topic for your diet in the right section, somebody will critique it for you and give you advice.
Probably worth while doing the same regarding your training/exercises.

My advice would be for you to really look into your diet to get that spot on. Change your training up a bit and work your ass off.

Once you have those things 100% in check, do your research on steroids. Dont just take one guys advice who is trying to sell them you them. Really gain some knowledge and make your own mind up. Then come back and ask the questions and these guys will be a lot more willing to give you some advice.

 

[EliteFitnessExpert256]

Yeah just read young grasshopper.

 

[stevesmi]

way too much shakes in your diet!!! but this is the common mistake between a 21 year old and a 41 year old. I am a major foodie bro, I LOVE TO EAT!! but 21 year olds you probably do not have the money/time/ or understanding of food yet to appreciate good food. hence you will down a protein shake and pass up chicken/veggie/rice meal.

go to the diet section and read my BULKER diet which is a sticky. follow that. shakes aren't real food, you cannot take millions of years of evolution and flush it down the toilet. bodybuilding is a war my friend, you must over eat THE RIGHT THINGS. shakes won't build muscle, but whole foods will

 

[dh92]

way too much shakes in your diet!!! but this is the common mistake between a 21 year old and a 41 year old. I am a major foodie bro, I LOVE TO EAT!! but 21 year olds you probably do not have the money/time/ or understanding of food yet to appreciate good food. hence you will down a protein shake and pass up chicken/veggie/rice meal.

go to the diet section and read my BULKER diet which is a sticky. follow that. shakes aren't real food, you cannot take millions of years of evolution and flush it down the toilet. bodybuilding is a war my friend, you must over eat THE RIGHT THINGS. shakes won't build muscle, but whole foods will

I just read it. Doesn't seem like I'm getting too little whole foods. Instead of eating 500g 3 times a day, I eat 200-300g six times a day.
I will admit I'm taking too many shakes, but if one gets enough whole foods into one's system, then shakes won't be too big of a problem, would they?
As long as the shakes don't replace whole foods, everything is good?

 

[stevesmi]

I just read it. Doesn't seem like I'm getting too little whole foods. Instead of eating 500g 3 times a day, I eat 200-300g six times a day.
I will admit I'm taking too many shakes, but if one gets enough whole foods into one's system, then shakes won't be too big of a problem, would they?
As long as the shakes don't replace whole foods, everything is good?

shakes murder your appetite. and are frankly a waste for a skinny guy like you. admit that you drink shakes cause you are either too lazy/cheap to eat real food, or because it tastes good right?

and that diet is just an example, its not to be taken literally.. its up to YOU to mold it

so dump the shakes and start eating real food.

stop worrying about getting X amount of grams of protein blah blah blah. you aren't a women so stop counting points, this isn't weight watchers and you aren't a retarded fat women who is incapable of accomplishing a simple feat without counting points!

this isn't rocket science.. you want to look like a man.. then eat like a man. and workout like a man too.. standing in front of the mirror doing 25 pound curls with your A&F gloves and working your abs is wonderful for a boy to do (I did that when I was 15 too).. but a man doesn't do that.. a man destroys the cleans, squats, bench, and rows. compound lifts

 

[dh92]

shakes murder your appetite. and are frankly a waste for a skinny guy like you. admit that you drink shakes cause you are either too lazy/cheap to eat real food, or because it tastes good right?

and that diet is just an example, its not to be taken literally.. its up to YOU to mold it

so dump the shakes and start eating real food.

stop worrying about getting X amount of grams of protein blah blah blah. you aren't a women so stop counting points, this isn't weight watchers and you aren't a retarded fat women who is incapable of accomplishing a simple feat without counting points!

this isn't rocket science.. you want to look like a man.. then eat like a man. and workout like a man too.. standing in front of the mirror doing 25 pound curls with your A&F gloves and working your abs is wonderful for a boy to do (I did that when I was 15 too).. but a man doesn't do that.. a man destroys the cleans, squats, bench, and rows. compound lifts

Haha, thanks, man! I hear you.

I drink a lot of shakes just because it's a way to get in extra calories. I don't use shakes as meal replacements. Sometimes I just enjoy drinking a protein shake with one of my meals, that's all. I haven't found them to suppress my appetite.

If I'm still hungry after one of my meals, I shouldn't add a protein shake? Should I have 6 bigger meals then? Or perhaps more than 6 meals?

 

[Mr. Chicago]

standing in front of the mirror doing 25 pound curls with your A&F gloves and working your abs is wonderful for a boy to do (I did that when I was 15 too).. but a man doesn't do that.. a man destroys the cleans, squats, bench, and rows. compound lifts

Well thanks a lot for taking the fun out of my arms and ab workout, and especially my A&F gloves Steve! Those are going in the garbage now haha honestly though great advice my man, it's just a shame you had to waste it on this one.

"I'm not gaining weight eating 6 tiny meals a day and drinking 5 shakes, perhaps I should eat more, what do you guys think perhaps I may be on to something here or just add another 4 shakes in the a.m. and 3 more before bed? I hear that's ideal, what are your perhaps thoughts on this perhaps?"

 

[dh92]

Well thanks a lot for taking the fun out of my arms and ab workout, and especially my A&F gloves Steve! Those are going in the garbage now haha honestly though great advice my man, it's just a shame you had to waste it on this one.

"I'm not gaining weight eating 6 tiny meals a day and drinking 5 shakes, perhaps I should eat more, what do you guys think perhaps I may be on to something here or just add another 4 shakes in the a.m. and 3 more before bed? I hear that's ideal, what are your perhaps thoughts on this perhaps?"

Please just stop. "This one" has had quite enough. Go comment elsewhere.

You enjoy making up fake quotes, I see. You really do amuse me.

 

[Mr. Chicago]

Thanks! I amuse myself as well haha I'm just giving you a hard time bro, trying to light that fire deep down inside you. If you have it and this doesn't do it for you then nothing will.

 

[stevesmi]

Haha, thanks, man! I hear you.

I drink a lot of shakes just because it's a way to get in extra calories. I don't use shakes as meal replacements. Sometimes I just enjoy drinking a protein shake with one of my meals, that's all. I haven't found them to suppress my appetite.

If I'm still hungry after one of my meals, I shouldn't add a protein shake? Should I have 6 bigger meals then? Or perhaps more than 6 meals?

add in a slice of pizza with your meals. (good quality pizza)
add in some pancakes with your breakfast (good quality pancakes)
add in some ezekial bread with your other meals.

this will tack on a lot of calories with real food. shakes don't count because as I said the body doesn't understand what a shake is. I really believe this to be true

 

[dh92]

Thanks! I amuse myself as well haha I'm just giving you a hard time bro, trying to light that fire deep down inside you. If you have it and this doesn't do it for you then nothing will.

Well, it's working haha. Sorry if I came off as a stubborn dumb young brat. I'm only 50% stubborn dumb young brat. Truce?

 

[Mr. Chicago]

Haha truce bro, feel free to PM me anytime with any questions. Steve is right though, the only time I drink a protein shake is right after my workout, definitely not an everyday just because kind of thing. I have containers full of fish, rice and veggies, turkey burgers already molded in the freezer, chicken breasts ready to go so that when I get hungry spam up a pan and throw em on there, no shakes for me just food. If you workout and can't enjoy your meals I just feel like it's such a waste. Granted my diet is fairly clean but for example it was Easter weekend so I pigged out a bit. Saturday night I took my gf out for Mexican, steak nachos, black beans, sour cream and a big ol' chicken burrito, and yes I even had a margarita which I don't advise especially while on tren but it was good so what can I say. Sunday I had ham, bacon, coffee cake, fruit, and eggs, had some guacamole which I usually always have on hand to spread on toast in the morning and some black bean dip for a snack later on and then I had some amazing Chicago deep dish pizza haha I love food but I'm not afraid of it. Like Steve said I'm not counting calories carbs fat protein, I know what works for me and I eat pretty much what I want when I want, not exactly in this manner but you get what I'm saying. You have to find what works for you and not be afraid to eat bro.

 

[dh92]

add in a slice of pizza with your meals. (good quality pizza)
add in some pancakes with your breakfast (good quality pancakes)
add in some ezekial bread with your other meals.

this will tack on a lot of calories with real food. shakes don't count because as I said the body doesn't understand what a shake is. I really believe this to be true

Ok, that is easy enough to do. And then 6 meals will still be fine then? I can still have my protein shake after my workouts and before bedtime, or should I cut them out completely?

 

[Mr. Chicago]

You could put the size on slow and steady as you'd like, and then when you're tipping the scales at another 20 - 30 hard earned kilos or so and feel you're starting to hit somewhat of a plateau and want to sauce by all means go for it. I know you can do it man and get past your concerns, it won't be easy but you can do it. Fitness model look weighing in at 85 kilos is a great look, ladies love it plus when you're ripped you actually look much bigger than you are. It will take time and there will be occasions when you're like damn I look smooth, even I get that way during the winter but it's really the nature of the game when you want to pack on muscle, but if you can look past it and think of the long term you should be able to deal with not seeing 6 pack abs and ripped obliques year round. My gf actually likes it when I'm a lil smooth haha but I think it's more a security blanket for her, like if I don't look great she don't have to and then the girls aren't fawning over me haha if she only knew my man, if she only knew.

 

[Mr. Chicago]

I'd keep em to after workouts or once daily max, maybe some casein before bed if you'd like too but that's it. It simply comes down to this bro, if you're not gaining weight you'll have to either bump up the meal size slightly or add another meal or 2. When you get to that point where you're gaining the weight at the pace you want to gain it then you have it figured out, but again don't be afraid to have cheat meals bc you'll drive yourself crazy with such boring regimented meals everyday trust me.

 

[johnnyboy3689282]

Ricks rocks cycle illustrated above is a example of a perfect cycle... You will net great results and be very happy with proper training, diet, and nutrition

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[stevesmi]

bro just eat and train if you want to get big.

there isn't a certain amount of cals you have to track, or amount of meals... JUST EAT BIG AND TRAIN BIG. the gains will come. train your legs!! not your abs and biceps

in YOUR situation that will suffice. this is why most personal trainers FAIL, cause they don't understand this concept. if you are skinny then your strategy is going to be different than someone who is fat.. a fact of fitness that PT's fail to understand because they are too lazy

shakes are taken post workout because of experienced guys who use insulin. I do not take shakes at all unless I use insulin myself.. I will eat 2 large meals within the next 3-4 hours. you need to carb focus instead of just obsessing about protein, carbs are essential to grow mass if you are an ectomorph.. I can't hammer this enough to young dudes .. too many are scared of carbs.. you aren't gonna get fat off sweet potato's and rice.