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200mg Deca All year?
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the elite addict
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LOL, yes. Many problems with this. I don't know where to start.
needtogetaas
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Do you plan to never come of aas again?
if it is for joint pain ect, 50 is often enough.
and of all things to be on all year, deca is not on the top of my list
and of all things to be on all year, deca is not on the top of my list
Paul_Allen said:
200+200 is not just hrt or a cruise for us old bastards--that is really a cycle, a light one, but still....has he had bloodwork? sides?
herdus33 said:
my doc is of the opinion that i should get bloodwork done after any cycle with orals or at least 2x a year--its how i figured out i need hcg to recover.
Paul_Allen said:
long term--as long as his bloodwork is good---and most of the potential issues should show there first, but i would make sure he has a doc in the loop specifically looking for signs of trouble.
layinback
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the elite addict said:
please start with me. i am on 200 deca and 400 cyp year round.
my best friend \ business partner is on very similar.
my doc says he's had dozens of peeps on this year round
for years.
of course these boards will tell ya that you can't run orals longer
than 6 - 8 weeks lol. look at the prescribing info in the PDR for
anadrol 50. it suggest 3 months minimum for treatment of anemia
and a maximum of 6 months.
under a docs supervision you can run anavar in low dose year round.
you have to keep a check on HDL. liver is rarely a problem and is
idiosyncratic.
don't get me wrong, i've gleaned a lot of info from this board but there's
a lot of bullshit too.
sensational
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layinback said:
Very good post, but there are too many rule thumpers.
Nobody is the same, no person has the same risk factors for disease or controls all their risk factors the same way.
AAS dosage and use are highly individual, and if done under a doc's supervision can be done with minimal sides.
ffs people, stop getting your post count up with posts such as: Opinions (the likes of): test over 500mg a week isn't necessary! Or you are going to die doing dnp!
I would love if we could have objective scientific discussions, with personal anecdotal evidence used as collateral rather than substantive proof.
layinback
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sensational said:
the prescribing info for aas is scientific. look at the prescribing info for
testosterone. reference the literature for long term anabolic androgenics
scientific medical journals are chock full of double blind controlled studies
physicians who have scores of patients and do the labs are considered
experts in the field.
of course we are all different. who advocated a homogeneous approach
to HRT?
this is a juicer board. by its nature, it will be predominately anecdotal
i agree with you bro but it's idealistic and naive to think this board
will rise to the bar of scientific methodology.
sensational
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layinback said:
Um, you just slammed me back to reality lol. you are right though.
Don't stress sensational 
Group think is a very real thing, but easy to identify
There are best practices of course that are best to stick by, on a board where maybe 30-50 guys post in a night yet 1300+ will be viewing at any given time
LB that post was a beaut
Group think is a very real thing, but easy to identify
There are best practices of course that are best to stick by, on a board where maybe 30-50 guys post in a night yet 1300+ will be viewing at any given time
LB that post was a beaut
str8nubin said:Don't stress sensational
Group think is a very real thing, but easy to identify
There are best practices of course that are best to stick by, on a board where maybe 30-50 guys post in a night yet 1300+ will be viewing at any given time
LB that post was a beaut
+1
Gotta love group think
layinback
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sensational said:
it's ok bro. there's a lot of kids on this board and when i say *kids* i mean
little boys aged 15 - 18. we all try to be cognizant of this and watch what
we post. sometimes we have to forgo the truth so these kids will not twist
it to their own devices. a friend of mine sent me a k message to that
effect, just after i posted the above.
then you have the usual array of opinions and philosophies of the "gurus"
there are lots of experienced and knowledgeable folks here. the trick is
teasing out the horse shit.
more and more i'm cross referencing everything with the literature.
i have a very seasoned HRT doc and he is not shy about discussing
aas. he's very familiar with the illicit use of these substances (he's
a power lifter) and all the peripheral myth and misconceptions.
he's already straightened my ass out on several false beliefs i
held as gospel lol.
I agree with you a lot can be done with proper care and supervision, but it all depends on the person.
I think the reason why you see every mod here more conservative is just for the well being of people. A few years ago someone was recomending newbs to hit a gram of test because "imagine how much you could grow with virgin receptors" and a whole lot of bullshit like that, while now seems like the board has the best ineterest of people, so recomends safer protocols.
If it wasnt for slat1 I problably would of hit that not knowing better, but i waited 3 years later (now) to hit my first cycle due to his good advice.
So it may seem a little conservative, but its good for newbs/peeps that don't know better. But of course with the right supervision and knowing what your doing you can do a lot more then whats the "norm"
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-Eric
I think the reason why you see every mod here more conservative is just for the well being of people. A few years ago someone was recomending newbs to hit a gram of test because "imagine how much you could grow with virgin receptors" and a whole lot of bullshit like that, while now seems like the board has the best ineterest of people, so recomends safer protocols.
If it wasnt for slat1 I problably would of hit that not knowing better, but i waited 3 years later (now) to hit my first cycle due to his good advice.
So it may seem a little conservative, but its good for newbs/peeps that don't know better. But of course with the right supervision and knowing what your doing you can do a lot more then whats the "norm"
.-Eric
perryscoon
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Paul_Allen said:
I have learned that the best way to keep your size post cycle is to take creatine, keep your protein high, run an excellent PCT regiment, and continue to train hard. If you do this, you will lose hardly any gains at all. I can confirm that this works, as I have done it wrong many time in the past and have learned from it.
layinback said:
I agree for the most part but would take issue with a couple of points.
Just because a doc prescribes something long term doesn't mean it isn't healthy. Their objective is to cure the "disease" and as we all know (or should) sometimes the cure is worse than the illness.
Lots of stuff is "tolerable.' Hell, cigerattes and booze can be tolerated by many, but that doesn't mean they're harmless.
600 mgs of gear year round is quite a bit and most people will develop sides after a while. Some may not. Of course these things have to be checked but 600 mgs is far more than you "need."
And yeah, some of the advice I see on this board makes me cringe. But it's a board, not a soapbox for a select few. Everybody has a voice. But thankfully the vets are respected and step up to straighten the record. And even then, there will always be differing opinions.
needtogetaas
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Yes You are on test and deca. Not just deca.layinback said:
needtogetaas
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And we really don't take kindly to people putting down the board ether.Nelson Montana said:
layinback
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needtogetaas said:And we really don't take kindly to people putting down the board ether.
i hope you don't construe my post as "putting" down the board.
this is after all a forum for information and discourse. i've never
been much of a follower or a blind faith guy. i challenge the status
quo and i fully expect peeps to challenge me. that's the very nature
of authentic learning.
btw- i love this board and as i stated earlier in this thread i have
gleaned a lot of good info from it.
jagerbombme
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i don't see a problem with 200 and 200 in a healthy person as that shouldn't fuck with bloodwork at all IN A HEALTHY PERSON. some people cannot tolerate, so b/w must be done to see. personally i like 100 deca and 175mg test, that's a year round protocol for me now. that's baseline. i don't feel the need for more and don't need an ai on that amount. although some provirons here or there are nice.
deca only year round would be a nightmare waiting to happen. also cabaser here or there is good also.
deca only year round would be a nightmare waiting to happen. also cabaser here or there is good also.
needtogetaas
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We love discussion and debate. The board thrives on it. Saying things like.layinback said:
"idealistic and naive to think this board
will rise to the bar of scientific methodology"
"sometimes we have to forgo the truth so these kids will not twist
it to their own devices"
Ya it raises a few eye brows when saying things like this. Kind of sounds like you want to be the next board guru yourself. Have to put the board and its leaders down a bit first though right.
Ya me and my doc we know our shit. This board is mostly full of bullshit you have to wade threw. Even the (guru's) will never know as much as us. I mean after all we are at a higher bar of scientific methodology. You bunch of pin heads. Ya ya ya and all that crap.
Then on top of all that just out right call the board a bunch of liers well your at it. Giving sound safe advice and lying just don't seem the same to me though. Meh O well Maybe I was reading you all wrong.
the elite addict
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needtogetaas said:
wow
layinback
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needtogetaas said:
i'm sorry this is your interpretation of my post. it certainly wasn't my intent.
your analysis of my post was *selective*
you failed to address the part where i said i have learned a lot from the board but i've had to tease out the bullshit. don't we have to be discerning
or do we take everything we read here at face value? c'mon needto!!!
as far as this or any roid board being based on scientific methodology.....
how many scientist or on this board? the vast majority of participants
on this board are laymen. we can read high brow material but that doesn't
qualify us for PHD's
i am grateful for ef but it is by no means a comprehensive scientific source
of information. it is a forum for the exchange of info and ideas.
i never said people were lying in a malicious way. for instance i believe oral only cycles are perfectly fine for the seasoned bb'er. some of our jr. league eg 15 - 18 yr olds might take that as a license to do a d'bol cycle.
i am referring to harm reduction. sorta like when our wives say "do i look fat" well even if she's a little bloated we always say "no honey you look great"
