1st cycle, think I may have bad advise

[todoveritas]

In my humble 20+ years of BB experience, I have only this to say:
Test 500mg weekly is fine for a first cycle; Test 500 + Deca 400 is fine for a second cycle.
Nolvadex is much better than an AI if you are going for mass.
You are not going to get Deca dick on < 400mg a week;
If you are prone to Deca gyno, you are prone to Tren gyno.
Save multiple coumpounds for later and more advanced cycles. (If you use Proviron, clen etc. too early, you have no idea of what is really responsible for your gains & overall look...Besides, it takes the fun out of later cycles.)

 

[Bruce]

pretty bold statement that you won't get deca dick on 400mg ew, i know some that got it at 200mg.

 

[todoveritas]

I don't doubt your word. But I would bet money that the problem was not solely deca-induced. I am amazed, (having BB in the days when ALL we had was Deca, test and dbol) that I knew tons of guys on a gram of Deca a week and NEVER once heard of DD! That didn't seem to develop until the internet broadcast the plight of a poor unfortunate few. Then it seemed to take on mythical proportions. In my experience, the big prob with Deca was, and is, water retention. As I prefaced in my post, IMHE.....

 

[Papa Lion]

1st cycle, was going to run
400 deca / 250 test e wk
for 8 wks them pct in wk 10 but everything I read here looks like more test than deca. 40 yr old ,5'10 210 15%bf, help
is this a crappy 1st.

you need an AI as said above.... and clen will make you sweat but I personnaly don't think it does anything for bloat.... but keep it around and take it through pct and a bit after at 40mcg as it is an anti-catabolic and will aid in retention of gained muscle post cycle.... what is your pct???? that's a biggy!!! and for your first cycle I strongly rec that you use one med and see how you get n with it!! you always have time to up your doses and stacks later!! but before getting into making cocktails you should get a base knowldege of how your body will do with certain meds... on top of being a bit lighter on your pocket book!! I good first is a long acting test ester.... as it wil minimize your shots and you won't be quite so ovewhelmed on your first go and dose is good at 500 mg per week... mon/thursday runit for 10 weeks and you should be happy with the results!!


~Papa Lion~

 

[Bruce]

I don't doubt your word. But I would bet money that the problem was not solely deca-induced. I am amazed, (having BB in the days when ALL we had was Deca, test and dbol) that I knew tons of guys on a gram of Deca a week and NEVER once heard of DD! That didn't seem to develop until the internet broadcast the plight of a poor unfortunate few. Then it seemed to take on mythical proportions. In my experience, the big prob with Deca was, and is, water retention. As I prefaced in my post, IMHE.....

well i'll tell you ive tried just about every steroid. i know plenty that have had deca dick. its simple science, build up of prolactin stops the ability to get hard and more likely ejaculate. i could not ejaculate for 3 months after a 600mg deca run with test e as well. i could get hard and everything just not nut. very typical, i don't think thousands of guys just make this up. if you could run deca with no deca dick i would cause i loved everything else about it. i think i could run it with proviron in there but i am not gonna risk it. besides npp is fast acting deca with no sides at all and much better for lean mass. so deca is obsolete to me

 

[Bruce]

I don't doubt your word. But I would bet money that the problem was not solely deca-induced. I am amazed, (having BB in the days when ALL we had was Deca, test and dbol) that I knew tons of guys on a gram of Deca a week and NEVER once heard of DD! That didn't seem to develop until the internet broadcast the plight of a poor unfortunate few. Then it seemed to take on mythical proportions. In my experience, the big prob with Deca was, and is, water retention. As I prefaced in my post, IMHE.....

get yourself some npp if the water retention is what gets you. i can run npp with proviron and no test and stay horney as all can be. all lean gains and shredded mass no bloat. i ran prop npp winny and that kicked ass too. i ran with proviron and had no bloat. the only time i ran it with no ai or proviron was with 800mg of eq ew, and still no bloat.

 

[Mac173]

pf npp is great stuff. i just can't reccomend a drug that will give many a limp dick for a first time. i think you get a feel for steroids start light and then you know what to do in a situation if you get deca dick or puffy nips from the deca. a newb gets these things he has no clue what to do. with test he is gonna be ok and with low test and eq he will too. no worries about libido or puffy nips that require more than just aromasin.

I say break em in the hard way.
Just playing, I see your point.