1st cycle test cyp/eq what to expect?

[jasp]

Training 12 years
Past 3 years more focused on diet/rest/training...satisfied with natural gains but want to take it further as i am not getting any younger Past year and 1/2 locked things down nicely and have been able to gain and lose at will, so i think my diet is very tight.
35yrs old/ 6'4" 220lbs 11%BF
2 weeks into EQ cycle 500/wk...next week adding Test Cyp 500/EQ 500
planning on running 12 to 14 weeks
already have pct locked down...clomid/nolva

i am looking to make solid gains that will last after cycle...i am planning on a moderate diet more on the leaning down side to avoid ballooning up etc. i assume this is the best approach to making lasting gains. i would rather have moderate gains that last instead of big gains that fade fast but bottom line is i am not sure what i should expect. my goal would be 15 lbs solid muscle that stays...noticable results without everyone knowing i am on something. is that realistic? i am confident that my diet is strict and will stay that way after cycle.

just looking for feedback...hopefully this is the right place to post.

 

[silent says]

Jasp,looks like you have taken your time.(nice)You will see great results with this combo.As to how much you will gain determines on your training and most of all diet.Just be cautious of a little anxiety.Some people tend to get it with the eq,I definitely did at 500 so I backed down to 400 and managed it fine.Good luck and keep us updated.

 

[EZ_E]

Training 12 years
Past 3 years more focused on diet/rest/training...satisfied with natural gains but want to take it further as i am not getting any younger Past year and 1/2 locked things down nicely and have been able to gain and lose at will, so i think my diet is very tight.
35yrs old/ 6'4" 220lbs 11%BF
2 weeks into EQ cycle 500/wk...next week adding Test Cyp 500/EQ 500
planning on running 12 to 14 weeks
already have pct locked down...clomid/nolva

i am looking to make solid gains that will last after cycle...i am planning on a moderate diet more on the leaning down side to avoid ballooning up etc. i assume this is the best approach to making lasting gains. i would rather have moderate gains that last instead of big gains that fade fast but bottom line is i am not sure what i should expect. my goal would be 15 lbs solid muscle that stays...noticable results without everyone knowing i am on something. is that realistic? i am confident that my diet is strict and will stay that way after cycle.

just looking for feedback...hopefully this is the right place to post.

Jasp good stuff all around. Training a long time. Cycle length and doses are on. Realistic goals (it's a marathon not a sprint)

With those stats you're probably looking good n' lean?

And I'm 35, but I AM getting younger...

 

[joe d]

i dont know about the diet part. it seems like your trying to cut and bulk together. thats not the most effective path to getting good keepable gains. to an extent the bore you eat the more you gain the more you keep eating afterwards the more gains you keep. people at my gyms thought i was on juice before i ever started. after i started they all know. you can hear the wispers. and the owner of one of them told me it was the talk of the rats. if you make the most of your cycle they will all know.

 

[Mass Insanity]

Training 12 years
Past 3 years more focused on diet/rest/training...satisfied with natural gains but want to take it further as i am not getting any younger Past year and 1/2 locked things down nicely and have been able to gain and lose at will, so i think my diet is very tight.
35yrs old/ 6'4" 220lbs 11%BF
2 weeks into EQ cycle 500/wk...next week adding Test Cyp 500/EQ 500
planning on running 12 to 14 weeks
already have pct locked down...clomid/nolva

i am looking to make solid gains that will last after cycle...i am planning on a moderate diet more on the leaning down side to avoid ballooning up etc. i assume this is the best approach to making lasting gains. i would rather have moderate gains that last instead of big gains that fade fast but bottom line is i am not sure what i should expect. my goal would be 15 lbs solid muscle that stays...noticable results without everyone knowing i am on something. is that realistic? i am confident that my diet is strict and will stay that way after cycle.

just looking for feedback...hopefully this is the right place to post.

Never took a cycle that people didn't notice.. if done right you gonna make gains and love yourself..hah.. you said you want to gain 15lbs of solid muscle.. if you were fitted clothes your gonna need new ones... so people are gonna notice. I personally like the cycle your running I always get what I'm looking for when I run it.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

i'm starting Test E/EQ/prop myself in a week or two. First run with EQ. Everyone has told me to run the EQ 16 weeks to make the most of it. You might want to research that angle too.

 

[micksnowdog]

isn't a gram a week a little excessive for a first cycle. what about hcg?

 

[jasp]

awesome, thanks for all the feedback. i am glad to hear it sounds like a good line-up. its true my eating habits right now are def on the cutting side...i cycle a double cal meal every 2 weeks with a light cal day the next day to keep my body responding. maybe i will just bump the cals a bit and stay steady. i really want to keep it on the lean bulk side to keep people guessing...ill blame it on ZMA/Trib and Creatine

micksnowdog - so you were thinking i should lighten up the test cyp? whats the lightest i can run and still get some results? i can probably get the HCG...could i just run HCG for PCT or will i need Nolva as well?

I am feeling pretty damn good at 11% but will eventually land on 8%...nail down some solid gains on this cycle and then lean down 6-8% just in time for the warm weather

I am buggin a bit about how noticeable its going to be...people are already noticing whats been going for me lately. I need to keep the wife guessing too...guess i am smoked on that one.

 

[TheRide]

I like the cycle and have run it myself several times. I usually keep my EQ dosage in the 4-600 range and my test @ 500. You should see some strength gains weeks 3-4 but would not expect the vascularity and lean muscle benefits of EQ until at least week 8. EQ is a long acting ether and takes some time to kick in. Keep your diet clean and train hard you should see good results. In terms of recovery, EQ isn’t know to shut ppl down that hard (although everyone is different). I’m guessing you should start your PCT around 14d after your last shot. The EQ will take a bit to clear your system but getting your natural testosterone flowing again is critical to keeping your gains post cycle.

 

[EZ_E]

isn't a gram a week a little excessive for a first cycle. what about hcg?

A gram of test a week is very excessive, yes. He's doing 500 mg test, the mg's of EQ is a 2nd compound ...

Good question though

 

[EZ_E]

awesome, thanks for all the feedback. i am glad to hear it sounds like a good line-up. its true my eating habits right now are def on the cutting side...i cycle a double cal meal every 2 weeks with a light cal day the next day to keep my body responding. maybe i will just bump the cals a bit and stay steady. i really want to keep it on the lean bulk side to keep people guessing...ill blame it on ZMA/Trib and Creatine

micksnowdog - so you were thinking i should lighten up the test cyp? whats the lightest i can run and still get some results? i can probably get the HCG...could i just run HCG for PCT or will i need Nolva as well?

I am feeling pretty damn good at 11% but will eventually land on 8%...nail down some solid gains on this cycle and then lean down 6-8% just in time for the warm weather

I am buggin a bit about how noticeable its going to be...people are already noticing whats been going for me lately. I need to keep the wife guessing too...guess i am smoked on that one.

Gains are a good thing bossman! The public is very uneducated, & even though it's none of their business, tell them you changed your diet and have been training with a w/o partner...

GAIN AWAY!!!!!!!!

 

[jasp]

I guess i also have the option of running Omnadren as a swap out for the test cyp...looks like i could expect similar results either way. Anyone think thats a better route to take. So i will be taking 500test/500eq either way but my consultant is going to recommend some changes as things get going...not clear on what they are yet.

Just for clarity on the PCT recommendations...with the eq hopefully not shutting me down to hard what do you guys recommend. I hear ya on starting 2 weeks out, i guess i am looking for the line-up recommendation. Clomid/Nolva? HCG/Nolva? Just HCG? I want to get everything in hand now so its squared away

Thanks for all your help again, love this site!

 

[joe d]

awesome, thanks for all the feedback. i am glad to hear it sounds like a good line-up. its true my eating habits right now are def on the cutting side...i cycle a double cal meal every 2 weeks with a light cal day the next day to keep my body responding. maybe i will just bump the cals a bit and stay steady. i really want to keep it on the lean bulk side to keep people guessing...ill blame it on ZMA/Trib and Creatine

micksnowdog - so you were thinking i should lighten up the test cyp? whats the lightest i can run and still get some results? i can probably get the HCG...could i just run HCG for PCT or will i need Nolva as well?

I am feeling pretty damn good at 11% but will eventually land on 8%...nail down some solid gains on this cycle and then lean down 6-8% just in time for the warm weather

I am buggin a bit about how noticeable its going to be...people are already noticing whats been going for me lately. I need to keep the wife guessing too...guess i am smoked on that one.

thats a bad ideah man. she should be in on that decision. not trying to sound like a bitch or nothing but.

 

[jasp]

i hear ya joe d, seriously i do, but this situation has a whole different complicated angle on it as far as the wife is concerned...unfortunately not anywhere close to an option.

 

[needtogetaas]

i dont know about the diet part. it seems like your trying to cut and bulk together. thats not the most effective path to getting good keepable gains. to an extent the bore you eat the more you gain the more you keep eating afterwards the more gains you keep. people at my gyms thought i was on juice before i ever started. after i started they all know. you can hear the wispers. and the owner of one of them told me it was the talk of the rats. if you make the most of your cycle they will all know.

Yes exactly. Eat big during and after if you want big gains and want to keep them.. At the very least do not go to eating less during pct like most people think is good to do. Its bad very bad.

 

[jasp]

thanks needtogetaas...i was definately going to focus on leaning out right afterwards. so i will wait until aftr pct is completely done and i am back to normal before starting to cut.

 

[needtogetaas]

thanks needtogetaas...i was definately going to focus on leaning out right afterwards. so i will wait until aftr pct is completely done and i am back to normal before starting to cut.

Its a common mistake. People forget that one of the main benafits to steroids is the increased nutrition retention. When you come off you lose that. In fact you go below your normal retention for a wile. So you really should up cals not lower them. I see it all the time.

OOOO I did everything right for pct. I did hcg during cycle,I used nolva and I used Testosterone Recovery Stack too. How come I keep losing all my gains?


HMMMM other then coming off what else have you changed.


Well I cut my cals down to try and lean out. I also started taking clen too. GEEEEEEEE no wonder you are losing all your damn gains lololol


You get the point

 

[burnthiscorpse]

i hear ya joe d, seriously i do, but this situation has a whole different complicated angle on it as far as the wife is concerned...unfortunately not anywhere close to an option.

She's a cop?...

 

[jasp]

ha...no but that was an awesome guess

 

[jasp]

I am being told there is no need to add nolva to this cycle while on. Just throwing it out there for a second opinion. I understand each person responds differently but want to see what the consensus is for this type of cycle...skip it and just run it for PCT?

 

[trip h]

hey jasp...im running test e at 500mg and eq at 500 mg a week(250 shots m/th). im half way through 7 weeks. i put on 12-15 lbs (depending on time of day) and dropped 3 % bf so far. im 6-3 started at 225 and 16% bf now 240 13 %. eating clean and trying to get around 4000 cals with 350+ grams protein. i had a little itchy nipple problem that went away in a week around the 3rd week, i also had a lipido issue that lasted from week 2-4 about, that has also gone away. test really kicked in for me around week 5. so far i've not gotten bloated at all, a few pimples, awesome sense of well being and energy, getting veiny, abs are showing more, muscles are hard and tight, weights are going way up. taking hcg from week 4 on out. plan on running TRS and Nolv for pct. good luck w/ your cycle bro keep us posted.

 

[natecr]

awesome, thanks for all the feedback. i am glad to hear it sounds like a good line-up. its true my eating habits right now are def on the cutting side...i cycle a double cal meal every 2 weeks with a light cal day the next day to keep my body responding. maybe i will just bump the cals a bit and stay steady. i really want to keep it on the lean bulk side to keep people guessing...ill blame it on ZMA/Trib and Creatine

micksnowdog - so you were thinking i should lighten up the test cyp? whats the lightest i can run and still get some results? i can probably get the HCG...could i just run HCG for PCT or will i need Nolva as well?

I am feeling pretty damn good at 11% but will eventually land on 8%...nail down some solid gains on this cycle and then lean down 6-8% just in time for the warm weather

I am buggin a bit about how noticeable its going to be...people are already noticing whats been going for me lately. I need to keep the wife guessing too...guess i am smoked on that one.

youll become aggressive try to keep it under control.. that and your gonna wanna fuck 24\7 every second every hour.. hope the wife is willing and ready

 

[jasp]

natecr, thanks thats good to know...gotta make sure i take care of shizz around the house to keep the wife happy and willing

thanks triph...i am really interested how you finish up...did you start the hcg because of the itchy nipple warning or were you planning on running it all the way through? i wasnt going to run any hcg unless something came up...i am now wondering if i should. funny this it like 2 1/2 weeks into the eq and i am starting to feel a libido drop...hence the addtion of test cyp this wed.

 

[trip h]

i planned on using it throughout, and then i was having a libido problem, not shut down but once and done, during what i think was the transition from my nat test stopping and the test e kicking in. i started using the hcg then and i was good to go, and then some lol. could have just been timing too and not the hcg but either way im good. and its cheep so why not. im 4 1/2 into the eq (because i strated it 3 weeks after test) and im ready and willing 24/7. i update my thread pretty regularly test e/eq cycle advise (2nd Cyc) with questions, gains, issues, general info of things im going through.

 

[gtrcivic]

i'm on week 8 with 400 test cyp and 400 eq...put on 7 lbs so far and strenght has really shot up. I plan on running for 20 wks and diet down for the summer. Only downside is my protein intake isn't where it should be (1.5x bodyweight)but eating throughout the day...and doing some cardio 3x/wk

been off for 6months since last cycle...36yo 6'0
pic in avatar was from 2 summers ago.

bench 315 x 3 reps, now 315 x 8 reps
squat 315 x4 reps, 455 x 6 reps
shrugs 405 x6, 585 x 4 reps
leg press 900 x 3, 900 x 10 reps
deads 365 x 6, 405 x 6 reps

 

[jasp]

i'm on week 8 with 400 test cyp and 400 eq...put on 7 lbs so far and strenght has really shot up. I plan on running for 20 wks and diet down for the summer. Only downside is my protein intake isn't where it should be (1.5x bodyweight)but eating throughout the day...and doing some cardio 3x/wk

been off for 6months since last cycle...36yo 6'0
pic in avatar was from 2 summers ago.

bench 315 x 3 reps, now 315 x 8 reps
squat 315 x4 reps, 455 x 6 reps
shrugs 405 x6, 585 x 4 reps
leg press 900 x 3, 900 x 10 reps
deads 365 x 6, 405 x 6 reps

nice...i was supposed to start the test this past wed but its been bumped to next wed...i am looking forward to adding it. So your running 20 weeks...do you plan on running the same 400/400 split the whole time? I was told that i dont need to worry about hcg or even the pct all tthat much at these lower levels, what are you planning for pct?

 

[jasp]

Just an update....right about 14 weeks into this cycle. Love the results. I have maintained a tight diet, gained a real nice solid lean mass...bodyfat is down to about 9%...big deal for this guy I kept my food a little reigned in for fear of gaining too quickly...panned out to the lean solid mass situation. Everyone notices but its DL enough to pass for me doing the right things and getting great results...which is true also Bottom line is things panned out perfectly, no major sides...great lean results. 2 more weeks and then its the question of keeping it after PCT.

 

[needtogetaas]

Training 12 years
Past 3 years more focused on diet/rest/training...satisfied with natural gains but want to take it further as i am not getting any younger Past year and 1/2 locked things down nicely and have been able to gain and lose at will, so i think my diet is very tight.
35yrs old/ 6'4" 220lbs 11%BF
2 weeks into EQ cycle 500/wk...next week adding Test Cyp 500/EQ 500
planning on running 12 to 14 weeks
already have pct locked down...clomid/nolva

i am looking to make solid gains that will last after cycle...i am planning on a moderate diet more on the leaning down side to avoid ballooning up etc. i assume this is the best approach to making lasting gains. i would rather have moderate gains that last instead of big gains that fade fast but bottom line is i am not sure what i should expect. my goal would be 15 lbs solid muscle that stays...noticable results without everyone knowing i am on something. is that realistic? i am confident that my diet is strict and will stay that way after cycle.

just looking for feedback...hopefully this is the right place to post.

run the test 15 weeks and the eq 14 weeks.
You say you got pct locked down? clomid and nolva? pffft not really man.

Throw in 250ius of hcg twice a week starting week 6 till the end of the cycle. Then also add Sustain Alpha with 50mg clomid every day for 4 weeks pct.

 

[jasp]

thanks need to needgetaas, i have been diligent reading the posts and sort of laughed when i read my initial post yesterday. i see the weakness in my pct

 

[jasp]

rxhealthdrugs....i was told hcg wouldnt be needed for pct....but was recommended for on cycle....i didnt run it so i guess i blew that one. at this point i a few weeks away from finishing so i am not going to start it now.

needtogetaas...i was going to do that whole test recovery stack kit (including the sustain alpha) and nolva instead of clomid. i have both. so your thinking the opposite. i also wasnt going to start the pct until 2 or 3 weeks after my last shot of the test cyp...since the cyp will be hanging around in me for a few. are you recommending starting pct earlier?

 

[jasp]

alright just for clarity in case someone reads my post about me hearing hcg wouldnt be needed for pct...i wad dead wrong on that one not that anyone would be reading my posts for advice since i am newbie but hey i wanted to say it out loud anyway. so my pct plan now does include hcg and nolva...not gonna incorpoate the clomid though. for whatever thats worth