1st Cycle, Anavar only?

[Catman22]

Hi Guys,

I'm a semi pro rugby player and my stats are:
5'10
216 lbs
Strong muscular build
Around 15% - 18% bf

I'm looking to go on my 1st cycle of steroids and have done a fair bit of research.
I'm looking to stay away from injectables if possible and on the backing of my research have found anavar is looking to be my favoured choice.

I just want some advice and experience from those of you that have used anavar:
1. Have you noticed any significant side effects
2. Will I still be able to run for prolonged periods on anavar
3. What sort of gains will i see in weight (if any) and strength
4. Will my body fat decrease.

Ideally im looking to get upto around 225 - 230lbs and get my bodyfat down to around 12% in the next 8-10 weeks. My predicted dose is around 60mg per day.
Are these goals realistic?

Any help would be much appriciated,
Thanks

 

[Ezekiel]

Hi Guys,

I'm a semi pro rugby player and my stats are:
5'10
216 lbs
Strong muscular build
Around 15% - 18% bf

I'm looking to go on my 1st cycle of steroids and have done a fair bit of research.
I'm looking to stay away from injectables if possible and on the backing of my research have found anavar is looking to be my favoured choice.

I just want some advice and experience from those of you that have used anavar:
1. Have you noticed any significant side effects
2. Will I still be able to run for prolonged periods on anavar
3. What sort of gains will i see in weight (if any) and strength
4. Will my body fat decrease.

Ideally im looking to get upto around 225 - 230lbs and get my bodyfat down to around 12% in the next 8-10 weeks. My predicted dose is around 60mg per day.
Are these goals realistic?

Any help would be much appriciated,
Thanks

10- 15 ibs and a drop of 3% BF doesn't seem all that unrealistic to me.. Not too sure Var only is the way to go though..


Cardio has never been an issue for me while "on" anything..

How long of a cycle are you planning on doing? 8-10 wks?That's a long oral cycle bro. What do you have lined up for PCT? Age?

 

[HarryHarry]

1. Most common will be being lethargic and tired due to less sleep
2. You should have a better endurance on anavar aslong as you get good sleep
3. Depends on your diet and training really
4. Same again regarding diet

If I was you I would run T-Bol instead. I love anavar but for your goals t-bol might be a better solution. Try researching it and see what you think mate


Harry

 

[Catman22]

10- 15 ibs and a drop of 3% BF doesn't seem all that unrealistic to me.. Not too sure Var only is the way to go though..


Cardio has never been an issue for me while "on" anything..

How long of a cycle are you planning on doing? 8-10 wks?That's a long oral cycle bro. What do you have lined up for PCT? Age?

Im glad those results dont seem unrealistic,
I just dont want to have issues with pumps preventing my cardio sessions with rugby as they are important.
I was looking at an 8 week cycle originally as the side effects are limited with Anavar according to my research, or would you suggest otherwise?
In terms of PCT I was looking at running 3 weeks of nolva.

Let me know what you think,
Cheers

 

[Catman22]

1. Most common will be being lethargic and tired due to less sleep
2. You should have a better endurance on anavar aslong as you get good sleep
3. Depends on your diet and training really
4. Same again regarding diet

If I was you I would run T-Bol instead. I love anavar but for your goals t-bol might be a better solution. Try researching it and see what you think mate


Harry

Thanks for the reply Harry,
How did anavar improve your endurance? What sort of endurance training did you do whilst using anavar?
In terms of Diet I like to think mine is good, I run my own sports nutrition brand so I get plenty of protein and I look to eat 5-7 times a day for a total of around 4500-5000 calories depending on the training I do that day etc.
How did anavar effect your sleep?
I havnt really looked into T-bol but will do some research over the next day or too.
Is it injectable? what reasons do you have for suggesting I use T-bol? Have you used it in the past, results?

Oh and to Ezekeil im 22 years old

Cheers

 

[Catman22]

Harry,

Done a fair bit of reading up on T-bol since my last reply to you and basically from what I can gather is it is halfway between d-bol and anavar?
However a lot of the reviews from users of T-bol claim that the strength gains are not as good as with anavar, and as a rugby player I want strong functional muscle mass not just for asthetics.
So with this in mind would you still recommend T-bol?
If so why? And as asked earlier have you used it yourelf?

Thanks both for your replies hopefully can get a few more points of views from other users.

Cheers

 

[SouthernLord]

Harry,

Done a fair bit of reading up on T-bol since my last reply to you and basically from what I can gather is it is halfway between d-bol and anavar?
However a lot of the reviews from users of T-bol claim that the strength gains are not as good as with anavar, and as a rugby player I want strong functional muscle mass not just for asthetics.
So with this in mind would you still recommend T-bol?
If so why? And as asked earlier have you used it yourelf?

Thanks both for your replies hopefully can get a few more points of views from other users.

Cheers

TBol shin pumps could kill your cardio.

What kinda doses were you planing on running the var at?

 

[Catman22]

TBol shin pumps could kill your cardio.

What kinda doses were you planing on running the var at?

What do you mean by shin pumps?

I was looking at running the anavar at 60mg a day for 8weeks originally. But as this will be my 1st cycle I'm on here looking for any usefull advice or tips on getting the most out of the cycle (in terms of dose, length of cycle, pct, stacks etc...)

Thanks for your reply

 

[ALIN]

Hi Guys,

I'm a semi pro rugby player and my stats are:
5'10
216 lbs
Strong muscular build
Around 15% - 18% bf

I'm looking to go on my 1st cycle of steroids and have done a fair bit of research.
I'm looking to stay away from injectables if possible and on the backing of my research have found anavar is looking to be my favoured choice.

I just want some advice and experience from those of you that have used anavar:
1. Have you noticed any significant side effects
2. Will I still be able to run for prolonged periods on anavar
3. What sort of gains will i see in weight (if any) and strength
4. Will my body fat decrease.

Ideally im looking to get upto around 225 - 230lbs and get my bodyfat down to around 12% in the next 8-10 weeks. My predicted dose is around 60mg per day.
Are these goals realistic?

Any help would be much appriciated,
Thanks

I dont think its a bad 1st cycle at all. If you eat right,,train properly gains will be quite nice.
Lean mass gains,,strength,,hardness,,vascularity,,etc...

 

[Catman22]

I dont think its a bad 1st cycle at all. If you eat right,,train properly gains will be quite nice.
Lean mass gains,,strength,,hardness,,vascularity,,etc...

Thanks a lot Alin,

Have you used anavar before? What results did you encounter?

Any side effects? Is 8 weeks too long for an oral cycle?

Cheers

 

[HarryHarry]

TBol shin pumps could kill your cardio.

What kinda doses were you planing on running the var at?

I get worse pumps on 60mgs anavar than 40mgs tbol while running but everyone is different.

I think if its strength your looking for then anavar is perfect. Its basically down to preference

Better strength = anavar
Better muscle = tbol

btw 8 weeks anavar at 60mgs is perfect for that drug in my opinion

 

[Catman22]

I get worse pumps on 60mgs anavar than 40mgs tbol while running but everyone is different.

I think if its strength your looking for then anavar is perfect. Its basically down to preference

Better strength = anavar
Better muscle = tbol

btw 8 weeks anavar at 60mgs is perfect for that drug in my opinion

Thanks again for your input harry.

The only thing really holding me back now is the issue of the pumps, my pre season training will be starting in 2-3weeks and I will be looking to begin my cycle in a week or so.
The pre season trainin will involve large quantities of cardio, mainly running, hill running, sand dune running, sprints etc.

Will anavar prevent me performing in these sessions? I have heard it will increase endurance but will I be able to complete the sessions? What do the pumps do?

Cheers

 

[HarryHarry]

I have used anavar while doing soccer training (real football to us UKs ) and at 60mgs my calves wer too pumped so had to take my shin pads off lol. Was amazing for high intensity training but pumps wer worst at slow endurance stuff. Nothing too bad tho

On tbol at 40mgs I never had any trouble that a little stop and stretch woudnt fix

 

[wootoom]

I did 60mg/ed for 10 weeks....good strength gained 12lbs LBM...I built my structure while on just Anavar...Love the shit and that was alone...My first cycle

 

[Catman22]

I have used anavar while doing soccer training (real football to us UKs ) and at 60mgs my calves wer too pumped so had to take my shin pads off lol. Was amazing for high intensity training but pumps wer worst at slow endurance stuff. Nothing too bad tho

On tbol at 40mgs I never had any trouble that a little stop and stretch woudnt fix

Ah ok so the pump will is just like that filling with blood feeling you get when working on muscular endurance? It can be uncomfortable but its bearable, not gunna make me cramp up or want to pull out of training, like feel injured?

Looks like Im running out of reasons not too get started!

Any pointers on PCT?

Cheers

 

[Catman22]

I did 60mg/ed for 10 weeks....good strength gained 12lbs LBM...I built my structure while on just Anavar...Love the shit and that was alone...My first cycle

Thanks for the reply mate.

What sort of strength gains did you get?
Did you drop body fat?
Did you don any PCT, or get any sides?

Cheers

 

[wootoom]

Lots of strength...it was my first cycle so i noticed a boost forsure...it supercharged the structure i built...all of it was keepable like i said...I used some Clomid thats it. No sides...I dropped BF big time. I lost my appetite a bit...make sure you are taking some Liver pills. Milk Thistle....

 

[wootoom]

You sound like a big guy...I was doing between 60-100mg/ed...

 

[Catman22]

You sound like a big guy...I was doing between 60-100mg/ed...

Yea ive got milk thistle in and ready to take along with it, anything else you would recommend to take with it?

Yea im not small, what were your stats when you were taking 60-100mg?

I was gunna use nolva, but honestly I know very little about PCT whats the difference between nolva, clomid etc...? what is best?

Cheers

 

[HarryHarry]

Nolva is pointless with anavar only. I woundt use clomid either tbh

LIver protection through out the cycle and after if you can. Liv 52 and Milk Thistle

Sustain Alpha and Unleashed are good PCT products for anavar only IMO

 

[wootoom]

I would use Clomid but it's more you're choice....Not a big deal.....I've done it without.

I was 200lbs and went to 212lbs my first cycle. I weigh 235 now 6 feet. Good base it gave me

 

[Catman22]

Thank you both again for your input.

I will have a look into all three sugested PCT cycles, according to my research PCT is not a major isssue with var, but I would rather be safe than sorry on my 1st cycle.

There would be no harm in using PCT anyway would there?

Do the different PCT drugs vary much in price?

The other thing I was going to say was would it be worth starting a new thread tracking my progress on my 1st cycle on here for new users?

Cheers

 

[Catman22]

Just in the process of ordering my var now,
Can anyone let me know what type of var they were using?
Ive been offered ***** lab 50mg tabs, done a bit of research on them and had mixed reviews?
Cheers

 

[HarryHarry]

****** var is ok, You will need to use 100mgs pro chem as they are underdosed, should equal around 60mgs tho or there abouts.

I was using ****** Pharmaceuticals. Best orals on the market at the moment. Also tryed the new sciroxx line which dont seem to be far off either.

You get what you pay for really

 

[joe d]

your var plan is good for 6-8 weeks. how about the pct plan?

 

[wootoom]

Make sure to add creatine with the Var

 

[Catman22]

Yea I will be taking plenty of creatine, glutamine and milk thistle throughout the cycle.

Still looking into PCT as I have no experience just what I have researched, originally I was looking at nolva, but Im now edging towards clomid.

Any suggenstions on length of time, doses etc. of PCT?

Cheers

 

[RADAR]

Lets watch discussing brands

 

[Catman22]

Sorry I didnt realise,
Was just asking what had been used by the people and if they worked