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1st Cycle Advise, Test-Masteron-EQ-Proviron

is this individual of sound mind in wanting to do a cycle like this?

  • maybe

    Votes: 1 5.3%

  • if he does it right he should see some wonderful

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • absolutely not, too many drugs also too young and inexperienced.

    Votes: 18 94.7%
  • Total voters
    19
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Mr Blonde

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Hello, i am 21 years old 6'1 and 160 pounds and have tried desperately to gain weight for a long time to no avail, and after much deliberation regarding the pros and cons of doing steroids i have taken the firm and unwaivering decision to do a cycle.

I am an amateur MMA fighter fighting at 155 and want to go up at least one weight class(185) and if possible up to 205.

also bear in mind that any attempt to dissuade me from doing steroids because of my age or weight will fall on deaf ears, i am a health-freak (don't smoke don't drink) and i have already debated this at length and have decided that if i can keep side effects to a minimum and get my hpg axis up and running post cycle asap, doing steroids would be a win win situation.

so i am doing it one way or another and if you feel like it would be wrong to give me advice because i am still too "young" whatever the hell that means then perhaps the following will convince you, 1. I am an adult of sound mind and have the god given right to put any substance in my body which i desire so long as i am not putting any other person in danger. 2. i have mostly finished growing so i am not stunting my growth and with a properly planned PCT there will be no permanent effects to my hormone secreting organs. 3 considering the fact that i am gung-ho about this cycle there are only there is only one logical result as to what will happen if you don't give your advice and one logical result if you do give it. you not giving your advice if it is indeed sound would actually be destructive towards me doing a cycle in a safe and secure manner since i am doing it regardless of whether you give me advice or not. if you don't give it and have knowledge that could help me i will do it anyway and will be less better off than if you had given it and on the other hand if you do contribute to help a fellow out
i will be better off since i will obviously be cycling much more intelligently.


sorry for taking so long but i have read tons of threads where people refuse to give advice based on the fact that someone is not over 30 or something similar to that.

i also don't see anything wrong with taking advantage of science and avoiding the long and slow multiple year process of gaining muscle naturally, so now that you have an idea of where i am coming from and about the fact that steroids are a means to an end for me because once i reach my goals i will stop using permanently and try hard to maintain that weight by eating right and working out diligently, i would like to ask you veterans what you think of the following cycle,


keep in mind i want to see drastic gains and i am hoping the following will be adequate.


12 weeks Test Prop @ 700mg a week injected every day
12 weeks EQ @ 700mg a week injected every day
12 weeks Proviron @ 700 mg a week taken every day
12 weeks Masteron @ 700 mg a week injected every day
12 weeks HCG for 12 weeks @ 100 iu every day

(CLOMID DURING CYCLE ONLY IN CASE OF GYNO @ 100mg ED until 3 or 4 days after problem subsides)

PCT
Arimidex 50 mg first 2 weeks then 25mg for 2 weeks.
Creatine 5 grams ED indefinitely

#1 do you think i should eliminate the
masteron or keep it?

#2 what else should i add for PCT?

#3 store.bodybuildingfactory .comarticle-pct-post-cycle-therapy.html
They claim that certain natural supplements including zinc raise your endogenous testosterone levels during PCT, bunk?

i welcome any advice
 
1)ur doses are to high...way to high.
2) u should not use aas.
3)pct needs major work
4)obviously u don't know how to eat yet.
5)bad idea
 
Terrible cycle for a first cycle


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Just run EQ at 400-600 and test 500 be plenty also if your having trouble gaining weight at 160 you are not gonna be able to maintain a weight of 200 without aas should least put on another 10 lbs first.. also one cycle will put you maybe 180 depending on your diet if have that much trouble gaining weight.

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EAT EAT EAT EAT EAT EAT!!!!!!
You OBVIOUSLY do not eat enough.
This is a very simple equation. Calories in > Calories out ----> weight gained
EAT and READ.
You barely know what your taking about given the dosages and lack of ancillaries you listed.
Dont be a dumb ass, smart alec, punk kid doing what he wants cause he can.
Learn first, act later.


And Here is a first cycle by the way.

Cycle
1-10 Test e, 500mg/week, 250mg 2x/week.
3-10 HCG 500iu/week, 250iu 2x/week.

Ancillaries
Adex, .5mg EOD as needed for bloat
Letro, 2.5/2.5/2/1.5/1/.5mg (only for gyno)

PCT
11-14 HCGenerate 5caps ED
13-16 Unleashed/Post cycle 3caps ED
13-16 Forma 5pumps am, 5pumps pm
17-18 Forma 3pumps am, 3pumps pm
 
why would you want to gain weight to be in a higher weight class for mma? 99% of fighters fight to keep there weight as low as possible come weigh in time to have the chance at fighting someone smaller than them. if mma is something you are serious about then you should def stay away from steroids. the only reason an mma fighter should use is if they are long in the tooth like r couture and need it for recovery. there is a zero chance of gaining 20-30 lbs using steroids and then stopping and keeping the gains. the only reason for you to take aas is if you just dont care about your health and your future as an athlete. an athlete of sound mind will wait as long as possible befor using aas and you have at least another 15 yrs before that even becomes possible. especially as an mma fighter.
 
searay said:
why would you want to gain weight to be in a higher weight class for mma? 99% of fighters fight to keep there weight as low as possible come weigh in time to have the chance at fighting someone smaller than them. if mma is something you are serious about then you should def stay away from steroids. the only reason an mma fighter should use is if they are long in the tooth like r couture and need it for recovery. there is a zero chance of gaining 20-30 lbs using steroids and then stopping and keeping the gains. the only reason for you to take aas is if you just dont care about your health and your future as an athlete. an athlete of sound mind will wait as long as possible befor using aas and you have at least another 15 yrs before that even becomes possible. especially as an mma fighter.
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Well basically, i have found that if you are in between 200 and 230 pounds and have serious skill like Randy Couture you can basically fight anybody in any weight class, look at the Randy Couture Tim Sylvia fight tim sylvia weighed like 300 pounds and had a 12 inch reach advantage and Randy absolutely butchered him and he only weighed like 230 he also fought Brock at this weight and held his own.

that is the primary reason why i want to go up to that kind of weight,

if you think someone at 155 can hang with someone at 205 or higher in an mma match or street fight you are in for a rude awakening, hence they have weight classes, but there are no weight classes on the street are there?
 
jcmbbfuture said:
This has to be a joke.

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this ain't no goddamn joke, why would it be a joke?

and furthermore what is so bad about me wanting to do an advanced cycle. it is not as if it will affect your health any different than a veteran on the same cycle.

what is it?

if i am going to do something i might as well do it all the way.

if i eat 6000 to 7000 calories a day for 12 weeks i think the results
would be nothing short of spectacular.
 
hydez27 said:
Terrible cycle for a first cycle


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why is it terrible? what is so bad about it?

i have read other threads with cycles similar to that
receiving praise.

why is the thought of a first timer doing a cycle like this
so wrong?

i think you should all be encouraging me, not discouraging me.
in the name of investigative science.

SERIOUSELY, people who smoke, drink and take psychiatric medication are harming their brains and bodies much more than i will in doing a serious cycle properly.

so what is so bad about this cycle? is it not planned properly? please explain.
 
And here is your second thread im talking about


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training700 said:
Just run EQ at 400-600 and test 500 be plenty also if your having trouble gaining weight at 160 you are not gonna be able to maintain a weight of 200 without aas should least put on another 10 lbs first.. also one cycle will put you maybe 180 depending on your diet if have that much trouble gaining weight.

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Don't you think if i force fed myself 6 to 7 thousand calories daily

that i could gain at least 30 pounds and keep it?
 
Bro I am going to give you some sound advice here. Your cycle is terrible. First you should lower the test. You don't need 700 per week on your first cycle. Why chance all the estrogen sides? Also clomid can increase estrogen. So why the hell would you use it for gyno? I think you're confusing clomid and nolva. Which nolva sucks too. Your pct is fucked bro. Eq needs to be run a minimum of 16 weeks and it aromatizes as well. Seriously bro I don't have time right now but if you really want some help pm me and we will straighten this shit out before you fuck yourself up. May be tomorrow before I can do it but bro you simply need some real help here.

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Mr Blonde said:
Well basically, i have found that if you are in between 200 and 230 pounds and have serious skill like Randy Couture you can basically fight anybody in any weight class, look at the Randy Couture Tim Sylvia fight tim sylvia weighed like 300 pounds and had a 12 inch reach advantage and Randy absolutely butchered him and he only weighed like 230 he also fought Brock at this weight and held his own.

that is the primary reason why i want to go up to that kind of weight,

if you think someone at 155 can hang with someone at 205 or higher in an mma match or street fight you are in for a rude awakening, hence they have weight classes, but there are no weight classes on the street are there?
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So you want to do aas to win a street fight? Well when ur 215 pounds and solid and a 160 pound guy wants to kick your ass....a pipe to the side of the head isn't going to feel anything short of a hospital ride. Don't do aas because of street or any kind of fighting, it's the wrong attitude going in. Pm obsessed or something to get yourself straighten out.
 
Satchel said:
Eq at 12 weeks isn't worth the money...eat train sleep rinse and repeat. .. That's the best advice.
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it should be 16 weeks right?

should i also run everything else at 16 weeks?

Let me say i am not starting any cycle for about another month and the reason i registered and started a thread was to get some real responses as opposed to trusting what some website says which may be downright bullshit.

the cycle i wrote was what i though would get me absolutely jacked in 12 weeks with at least 6000 calories a day and with ridiculous amount of work in the weight room.

also if i was a seasoned veteran would all of you still say it is a terrible cycle?
 
Mr Blonde said:
this ain't no goddamn joke, why would it be a joke?

and furthermore what is so bad about me wanting to do an advanced cycle. it is not as if it will affect your health any different than a veteran on the same cycle.

what is it?

if i am going to do something i might as well do it all the way.

if i eat 6000 to 7000 calories a day for 12 weeks i think the results
would be nothing short of spectacular.
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Its a joke because you are trying to take the easy way out. I guarantee you that your diet and training are no where near the level they need to be. If so you would grow. Period. I haven't been your weight since 17 years old and I wasn't even 5'9 and was under 8% bf. Not to mention you want to start with almost 3gs of gear. I am taking less than a tenth of that and growing great. Your results might be spectacular but they will be short lived. You can't come on here trying to force people to help you out. U think aas is the answer to your problems? It really is a joke. This "u help me or else" mentality you have going for u is all wrong. No one should help u at all. U go ahead and be hard headed and run your little cycle and ignore the advice of guys who have been at this game for most of your life. Like u said...its your body.

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Bro not flaming you. If you were a vet you would know that your set up is awful. My offer stands.

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NOS2.0 said:
EAT EAT EAT EAT EAT EAT!!!!!!
You OBVIOUSLY do not eat enough.
This is a very simple equation. Calories in > Calories out ----> weight gained
EAT and READ.
You barely know what your taking about given the dosages and lack of ancillaries you listed.
Dont be a dumb ass, smart alec, punk kid doing what he wants cause he can.
Learn first, act later.


And Here is a first cycle by the way.

Cycle
1-10 Test e, 500mg/week, 250mg 2x/week.
3-10 HCG 500iu/week, 250iu 2x/week.

Ancillaries
Adex, .5mg EOD as needed for bloat
Letro, 2.5/2.5/2/1.5/1/.5mg (only for gyno)

PCT
11-14 HCGenerate 5caps ED
13-16 Unleashed/Post cycle 3caps ED
13-16 Forma 5pumps am, 5pumps pm
17-18 Forma 3pumps am, 3pumps pm
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so you don't think the cycle i mentioned is any good?

what if i were a veteran would that change your mind?

i also read that if you take hcg during cycle your balls wont shrink at all yet here you recommend it as pct? was that bullshit?
 
obsessedwliftin said:
Bro I am going to give you some sound advice here. Your cycle is terrible. First you should lower the test. You don't need 700 per week on your first cycle. Why chance all the estrogen sides? Also clomid can increase estrogen. So why the hell would you use it for gyno? I think you're confusing clomid and nolva. Which nolva sucks too. Your pct is fucked bro. Eq needs to be run a minimum of 16 weeks and it aromatizes as well. Seriously bro I don't have time right now but if you really want some help pm me and we will straighten this shit out before you fuck yourself up. May be tomorrow before I can do it but bro you simply need some real help here.

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well first of all thank you for trying to help me out, i really do appreciate it.

and let me say i am not running anything for at least another month so don't worry i am not going to shoot myself up today or tomorrow or anytime soon.
 
Cool so let's make it a cycle were you will get excellent gains and not mess yourself up. Everybody is giving you shit bro because your diet and training probably need work. Your only 21 and aas is not a magic pill or shot. I will help you with all that. We just need to lay out a good game plan and make sure your setting yourself up for success. Other wise you are wasting good juice a lot of pins and alot of time.

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jcmbbfuture said:
Its a joke because you are trying to take the easy way out. I guarantee you that your diet and training are no where near the level they need to be. If so you would grow. Period. I haven't been your weight since 17 years old and I wasn't even 5'9 and was under 8% bf. Not to mention you want to start with almost 3gs of gear. I am taking less than a tenth of that and growing great. Your results might be spectacular but they will be short lived. You can't come on here trying to force people to help you out. U think aas is the answer to your problems? It really is a joke. This "u help me or else" mentality you have going for u is all wrong. No one should help u at all. U go ahead and be hard headed and run your little cycle and ignore the advice of guys who have been at this game for most of your life. Like u said...its your body.

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now wait a minute, you make me sound like an asshole,

"This "u help me or else" mentality you have going for u is all wrong. No one should help u at all."

i never said u help me or else, i simply stated that since i am doing it anyway the logical answer if you were trying to help me would be to give me advice as opposed to not giving me advice, and that was strictly about my age, i wholeheartedly welcome any critique of the cycle which i outlined as i already have done,

if i came across as an asshole or as coercive in a childish way let me say that that was not my intention, so i apologize for that but i am sincerely asking for advice, i welcome any advice, also i am not doing any cycle for another month, but decided i needed advice from people who are experienced in this area so that is why i have come here,

again i appreciate any and all advice.
 
Mr Blonde said:
Don't you think if i force fed myself 6 to 7 thousand calories daily

that i could gain at least 30 pounds and keep it?
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no.. lol Not way described yourself and trouble gaining weight I'm wrestling at a college level and can keep my weight but am an easy keeper have trouble keeping weight off. lol you got height to weigh a good amount though
 
Mr Blonde said:
so you don't think the cycle i mentioned is any good?

what if i were a veteran would that change your mind?

i also read that if you take hcg during cycle your balls wont shrink at all yet here you recommend it as pct? was that bullshit?
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If you were a vet, you never would have laid a cycle out like that.
So ya, its not because its too advanced, its just bad.

Using HCG throughout should keep your balls working, in theory preventing shutdown. Using it at a higher dose, in this case double dose (some people go crazy on their dosing, but the listed dosages are very effective), is said to 'Jump Start" your PCT, making it a much easier transition.

And I highly doubt you will be able to eat 6-7000cals a day for even a week. Certainly not of clean food!
Maybe if it is fuckin cookies with 800cals each.
Eat a ton of fiber or you will be shitting stones!
 
If it were easy everyone would be jacked


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Satchel said:
So you want to do aas to win a street fight? Well when ur 215 pounds and solid and a 160 pound guy wants to kick your ass....a pipe to the side of the head isn't going to feel anything short of a hospital ride. Don't do aas because of street or any kind of fighting, it's the wrong attitude going in. Pm obsessed or something to get yourself straighten out.
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r u serious? first of all if you hit someone with a steel pipe to the side of the head you are facing felony assault charges and possibly second degree murder charges.

and people who pull weapons in a street fight are pussies and are way more likely of being shot.

and no i don't want to do roids to win a street fight it's specifically for sanctioned MMA bouts.

but if it was? what would be wrong with it?

what is your motivation? just to look good? i don't see the how it could be the wrong attitude to want to get jacked to improve my fighting.

please explain, why is it the wrong attitude?
 
NOS2.0 said:
If you were a vet, you never would have laid a cycle out like that.
So ya, its not because its too advanced, its just bad.

Using HCG throughout should keep your balls working, in theory preventing shutdown. Using it at a higher dose, in this case double dose (some people go crazy on their dosing, but the listed dosages are very effective), is said to 'Jump Start" your PCT, making it a much easier transition.

And I highly doubt you will be able to eat 6-7000cals a day for even a week. Certainly not of clean food!
Maybe if it is fuckin cookies with 800cals each.
Eat a ton of fiber or you will be shitting stones!
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i have a vitamix blender and i am thinking of blending 2500 calories of extremely good food three times daily adding powdered enzymes to aid in the breakdown of
the food, adding water to make it liquid and then using a funnel and a medical grade hose of the appropriate diameter to allow the liquid to pass through easily
and an electric pump of some sort bypass the whole chew swallow mechanism
and pump the food directly into my stomach,

using this technique to ingest a ridiculous amount of calories a day way higher than what i said i wanted to eat and a proper cycle of 2 to 3 grams of gear the results could be pretty retarded.

i try to eat and the truth is i get tired of chewing and swallowing until i get lock jaw and can't proceed.

i think that technique would be safe and effective for someone like me.

how about them apples?
 
Pumping food into your stomach? Good luck with that lol never heard that one


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Mr Blonde said:
r u serious? first of all if you hit someone with a steel pipe to the side of the head you are facing felony assault charges and possibly second degree murder charges.

and people who pull weapons in a street fight are pussies and are way more likely of being shot.

and no i don't want to do roids to win a street fight it's specifically for sanctioned MMA bouts.

but if it was? what would be wrong with it?

what is your motivation? just to look good? i don't see the how it could be the wrong attitude to want to get jacked to improve my fighting.

please explain, why is it the wrong attitude?
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Because at your age you have plenty if natural test flowing thru your system,Why shut that off, see if you can win any fights after your HPTA is shut down, I have over 40Ys in this field so i know what i'm talking about! i have trained guys your age Intense training -Rest-Diet does wonders ,each one of them grew like a weed!

Your Body-Your decision.......Thats my 2 cents
 
NOS2.0 said:
If you were a vet, you never would have laid a cycle out like that.
So ya, its not because its too advanced, its just bad.

Using HCG throughout should keep your balls working, in theory preventing shutdown. Using it at a higher dose, in this case double dose (some people go crazy on their dosing, but the listed dosages are very effective), is said to 'Jump Start" your PCT, making it a much easier transition.

And I highly doubt you will be able to eat 6-7000cals a day for even a week. Certainly not of clean food!
Maybe if it is fuckin cookies with 800cals each.
Eat a ton of fiber or you will be shitting stones!
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what about this?

12 weeks or 16 weeks test prop? at 700 mg week
16 weeks eq at 700 mg week
16 weeks masteron at 350 mg week.
16 weeks proviron at 700 mgs week
16 weeks hcg at 100 iu daily or 200 iu? ( are you saying i should double the dose?)

so what should my pct look like?

i read that it was supposed to be 50mg of arimidex for 2 weeks
followed by half that dose for another 2 weeks

and what else should i add?

keep in mind i am still debating what to do, maybe i will listen to you guys and do a simple cycle or maybe i will try a cycle with higher dosages to gain a ridiculous amount of weight and gorge myself on food for 16 weeks just to see what the fuck happens, if i do do it, it will be in the name of science.
 
In the name of science? Thats the stupidest thing iv ever heard, lets all raise our blood pressure possibly break out in acne possibly ruin my hpta and not have kids some day, its ok its all in the name of science


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NOS2.0 said:
So your gonna shove a tube down your throat 3 times a day for 12 weeks?
what the fuck bro!?!
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you gotta pay the cost to be the boss , and it really isn't that bad, once you bypass the esophagus there really is no gag reflex to overcome and the tube is actually pretty thin.

i could potentially force feed ten thousand calories and beyond every single day
but i don't know if it would be healthy to eat that much.

i am an extremist and when i put my mind to doing something i am going to do it to an extreme level.

i don't plan on cycling steroids more than once really, but i want to
see what the limits of the human body are. SAFELY of course if you told me
my hpta would be fucked for life if i do steroids then i would not do them.

but i believe that if done properly it will have little to no effect on my hpta.
 
RADAR said:
Because at your age you have plenty if natural test flowing thru your system,Why shut that off, see if you can win any fights after your HPTA is shut down, I have over 40Ys in this field so i know what i'm talking about! i have trained guys your age Intense training -Rest-Diet does wonders ,each one of them grew like a weed!

Your Body-Your decision.......Thats my 2 cents
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So you don't think i can run a cycle with that many compounds or that much gear
while having my htpa suffer little to no effects?
 
RADAR said:
Because at your age you have plenty if natural test flowing thru your system,Why shut that off, see if you can win any fights after your HPTA is shut down, I have over 40Ys in this field so i know what i'm talking about! i have trained guys your age Intense training -Rest-Diet does wonders ,each one of them grew like a weed!

Your Body-Your decision.......Thats my 2 cents
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This^^^^

Wait till your atleast 24
 
Bro! I'm sorry if i sound like i'm comming on too strong, but i have younguns at my gym doing gear ,they don't have a good base at that age, and i will say they look like crap 3 months and everything is gone. I paid my dues with Blood,sweat& Tears for close to 18 yrs before i touched the stuff, The other day i was loading the squat rack with 475 lbs and one of them asked me was i fixing to do that? My response was "I SURE AM"His Reply was ,"MAN!THAT MAKES ME HURT ALL OVER JUST LOOKING AT IT"
 
One thing u fail to realize Mr blonde is that l at some point your cycle will end and then what? Every bit of increased muscle mass will require more calories to sustain it. Most people lose a lot post cycle because they fail to eat enough to maintain what they have gained. Are you gonna keep force-feed ing yourself for the rest of your life. Not to mention that top of calorie increase is honestly dangerous for your system. You are gonna send your kidney, liver, and digestive tract on one he'll of a roller coaster which they probably won't be able to keep up with. What u are wanting to do in terms of diet alone is just ignorant and life threatening. Not trying to be a jerk but just telling u like it is.

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jcmbbfuture said:
One thing u fail to realize Mr blonde is that l at some point your cycle will end and then what? Every bit of increased muscle mass will require more calories to sustain it. Most people lose a lot post cycle because they fail to eat enough to maintain what they have gained. Are you gonna keep force-feed ing yourself for the rest of your life. Not to mention that top of calorie increase is honestly dangerous for your system. You are gonna send your kidney, liver, and digestive tract on one he'll of a roller coaster which they probably won't be able to keep up with. What u are wanting to do in terms of diet alone is just ignorant and life threatening. Not trying to be a jerk but just telling u like it is.

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Its in the name of science lol


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While I admire your gung ho attitude, dude.... 'force feeding w/ a tube' 'in the name of science' quotes are insane. Fucking insane. W/ that being said, if u inject steroids into ur already unstable way of thinking,ur begging to be arrested to the very least. You really want to do 5 years bc some cashier looked at you the wrong way? I've had buddies that had ur mentality and they all did time, ALL of them bro.

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No offense mr blonde but I train also. I dont know of any mma gym that would turn a blind eye to you jumping from 55-lightweight in 4months. Your 21? Its not healthy and chances are your coach is a "real martial artist" and probably not as cool with aas as the bros here. Your asking to get booted from your gym and give yourself a terrible name in your local mma community. Think it through and listen to the guys on here. Every single bro on this thread wants to see you do well and reach your potential. Not f yourself up. Just something to think about.
 
You will get throat infections with that tube idea, a few of my friends pump their liquid calories directly up through the anus, this will get you seriously jacked.
 
Once upon a time I knew a bro who injected directly into his O-Ring....
 
In the name of science ... Let's see this tube in action, I'd like to see a video of you power pumping 10k calories directly into your stomach! sorry all but I need to see this even at the cost of mr blonds health.
 
Rustilldown said:
In the name of science ... Let's see this tube in action, I'd like to see a video of you power pumping 10k calories directly into your stomach! sorry all but I need to see this even at the cost of mr blonds health.
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havent logged in for a while due to password user name problems, anyway, yeah you blend 1 pound of quinoa which is a complete protein by itself with 2 cups of olive oil 2 cups of coconut oil and 2 cups of peanut oil or walnut oil 300 grams of powdered brown rice protein (im a vegetarian) a couple of teaspoons of some multi vitamin and mineral powders that i bought, also add in some powdered digestive enzymes throw it in the blender with enough water to make it liquid and BOOM administer that shit in 3 sittings through out the day plus another 3000 cals in meals that you actually chew and you just ate 10000 calories.
 
Mr Blonde said:
why is it terrible? what is so bad about it?

i have read other threads with cycles similar to that
receiving praise.

why is the thought of a first timer doing a cycle like this
so wrong?

i think you should all be encouraging me, not discouraging me.
in the name of investigative science.

SERIOUSELY, people who smoke, drink and take psychiatric medication are harming their brains and bodies much more than i will in doing a serious cycle properly.

so what is so bad about this cycle? is it not planned properly? please explain.
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Lol ur a straight up dick head who didn't do enough research, "clomid incase of gyno" bahahaha.. I hope no one gives u any advice and u do ur proposed cycle on ur own cause I'm gonna be laughing wen u come off and lose everything!
 
RADAR said:
Bro! I'm sorry if i sound like i'm comming on too strong, but i have younguns at my gym doing gear ,they don't have a good base at that age, and i will say they look like crap 3 months and everything is gone. I paid my dues with Blood,sweat& Tears for close to 18 yrs before i touched the stuff, The other day i was loading the squat rack with 475 lbs and one of them asked me was i fixing to do that? My response was "I SURE AM"His Reply was ,"MAN!THAT MAKES ME HURT ALL OVER JUST LOOKING AT IT"
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Ok so I have a qualm about this.....I started doing gear when I was "too young" but I had allready built a solid base.

So as long as you have a solid base then you should be good to go on AAS because you have the proper mentality for sound training and diet along with knowing how to listen to your body.

I was working out with 6 plates on squats, 3 to 4 plates on bench, and 6-7 plates on deadlift. I hit a plataue for about 2 years straight and that is when I decided to hop on the juice.

Been keeping all my gains ever since because when I come off I still have the mentality to train naturally.
 
But back to your story:

If you are considering this in the name of science take this next excerpt from an Engineers point of view on the body.

Lets really think about what you are about to do not only to your whole body but to your endocrine system. Please remember that the body acts as a well organized and structure automated and control system with plenty of negative feedback loops, refernce signals, signal generation mechanisms as well as signal transports and receptors. Taking AAS will damage these control mechanisms and will take a while to go back to normal. Taking too much can lead to permanent damage.

Now when you are younger you are still working on obtaining higher naturall test levels. Do you think the nat levels of a pro football player in his late 20s is the same as someone who is in his early 20s with less training exp? The answer is no. Once you start to use AAS full recovery is not gaurenteed. Your natural test needs to be built as a base before you cycle. If you cycle too early without the proper base you can return to normal but the possibility of you going any higher than that is slim unless you stop alltogether but I have a feeling you wont be able to. So when you cycle these 2gs of gear what do you think your nat levels will be afterwards? Do you think you will be able to recover? Have you checked your nat levels now? These are questions you need to find answers to.

You may want to pull out your calculator on this one.

The normal range for testosterone in your body is 500-800 ng/dl. There are 1,000,000 nanograms in a milogram.

What you are about to do is place 700mg of Test Prop 700 mg of EQ 700 Mast prop and 700 proviron something like this right.

Ok lets think about this over the long term. EQ Has a very long acting ester atached to it. This means that it will build levels in your blood stream as the weeks go on.. By week 6 you should have stable blood levels of EQ of around 1600mg

That being said by week six you will have around 2 grams of gear floating around in your system. Now what do you think this effect will have on the other systems that rely on your endocrine system. How bout you tell me because this is over 5x the amount of anabolic solution you should have in your system.

This will lead to health risks, heart disease, kidney damage, liver damage, receptor cell damage, thyroid damage, and not to mention mental damage......Have you thought what it is going to be like trying to come off the most addicting drug you can take??????? Especially at dosages that they give to horses??????

Now back to the story about your system. When you have this much in your system at this young of an age you are littleraly frying your system. After a cycle like this it will never function properly again no matter what PCT you take and not matter how long you take off. It is like speeding up your aging process because of the damage you have inflicted on it. Now people do return back to normal in regaurds of stable blood levels but their system will never return back to how healthy it was before the use of AAS.

So let me tell you about a story about two guys who I know cycled together.

Lets take two gym rats who are both completely natural Joe and Bobby. Joe is 240 and has played football and trained most of his life and Joe has had some training experience but no where near compared to Bobby in terms of weight training. Bobby has a naturall test level of 750mg and Joe has a nat level of 550. They Both decide to use juice. Bobbys cycle is 10 weeks of test at 250 mg. His sound training and diet let him get to 260 and the amount of drugs he has taken has not comprimised his health or most importanly recovery. Joe takes 12 weeks at 2g a week and gains 10 pounds, however by week 10 his lipids are shot, his libido is gone he has liver problems which leads to digestive track issues when trying to absorb protein and he is about to go into PCT with a highly damaged HPTA. Bobby keeps his gains and joe not only looses weight but he starts to loose weight past the 160 mark and drops to 145 because his naturall test level after a wreckless cycle was 250. Bobby goes on to keep competing and training while joe is placed on HRT and has severe depression and considers suicide.......I think you know which one you are.

Think about the above story because there are very important truths in these.

Now since you are going to cycle regaurdless just do yourself a favor and do not abuse this stuff. Running 2g right out the gate is abusing it. These are very very very very strong drugs. The strongest in my opinion.

Do a moderate cycle like this.

Week 1-6 anavar 60mg
lipid stable
n2gaurd
PCT week 7
Clomid 25/25/25/25

Take 12-16 weeks off then do a cycle like this

Week 1-12 Test cyp 250mg
Week 1-6 Anavar 60mg
lipid stable
n2 gaurd
Forma
PCT week 15
Clomid 25/25/25/25
Forma
PCT+UNleashed
Daa Chews

Then Wait another 16-20 weeks and do a cycle like this.

Take 12-16 weeks off then do a cycle like this
Week 1-12 Test cyp 500mg
Week 1-6 Anavar 60mg
lipid stable
n2 gaurd
Forma
PCT week 15
Clomid 25/25/25/25
Forma
PCT+UNleashed
Daa Chews

Then wait another 20-25 weeks and do another cycle. This is a marathon not a one and done and your gonna be the incredible hulk. The body can only grow so fast even while on AAS. You yield better gains with moderate cycles and sound pct with time off. Think about it as it is not about quantity it is all about quality!!!! And quality will come with responsible dosages in the appropriate time used.

Just listen to these mods they know what they are talking about.

CASE IN POINT DO NOT CYCLE WRECKLESSLY. THE CYCLE YOU HAVE LAID OUT IS WRECKLESS AND WAY TO HIGH. LISTEN TO THE GUYS WHO HAVE ALREADY DONE THIS STUFF.

WE ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE DONE THE PINNING AND HAVE GONE THROUGH THE WEEKS OF TRAINING AND GONE THROUGH THE MISTAKES AND GONE THROUGH THE PCTS AND MADE RECOVERIES AND FOUHGT BAD CYCLES AND HAD REALLY GOOD CYCLES BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY

WE KNOW WHAT WORKS AND WE KNOW THE SIDE EFFECTS.

TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT
 
first i would like to say that u come across as an asshole. second.. i feel u think gear is a magic pill that will make every awesome, and the more u use.. the better the results. but regardless i am going to try to help you

first.. the amount of gear you are running is insane, especially for a first time user. more wont make it better. after pct, if u do a cycle correctly you should be able to keep 10-15 pounds. not 30. your goals need to be a little more realistic.

now this is the first cycle u posted, i am going to explain what is wrong with it, hope u understand.

12 weeks test Prop @ 700mg a week injected every day
12 weeks EQ @ 700mg a week injected every day
12 weeks Proviron @ 700 mg a week taken every day
12 weeks Masteron @ 700 mg a week injected every day
12 weeks HCG for 12 weeks @ 100 iu every day

(CLOMID DURING cycle ONLY IN CASE OF GYNO @ 100mg ED until 3 or 4 days after problem subsides)

PCT
Arimidex 50 mg first 2 weeks then 25mg for 2 weeks.
Creatine 5 grams ED indefinitely

first.. u plan on running 5 compounds at once. well 4 really because provi is more for support. but regarless.. it is too much for a first cycle, second cycle, and even for some advanced users. if you want clean, keepable size just keep it simple and you will get excellent results.

second.. your dosages are way off and asinine. at your size you can make excellent gains just running 250 mgs of test a week. 700 is just outrageous. i have 50 pounds on you and i dont run that much.. and i think a lot of people on this forum are the same way. second.. u want to use test prop, which is fine. that has a short ester and needs to be pinned at least eod. but realize prop can be be painful and test enanthate may be a better option for a first cycle. you will only have to pin that twice a week. but if u dont care about the possible pain and discomfort go ahead and use prop.. not that big of a deal. the recommended dose for eq is between 400-600 mgs a week and you think it would be a good idea to run it more? also with eq.. it has a long half life and only needs to be pinned once, or maybe twice per week. the same thing with masteron, you are way above the recommended dosage, and i dont think that is a compound u will want to use if u want to put on size. now you have the proviron.. a great addition to any cycle and you almost got this one right. you can run it at 100 mgs a day but 25-50 would be a better option. now the hcg is used to try to keep your balls working during the cycle, so when it comes to to pct u are not so just down and its easier to recover. normal dosing for this will be 250 iu twice per week. u should start doing this around with 4 up until your pct.

now we need to talk about your anti estrogens, also know as armatose inhibitors and your pct. a lot of people are laughing at you because of this. i will just assume you got a little confused mixed things up. first.. clomid is not an armatose inhibitor, it is a serm. it will do nothing for gyno during your cycle.. and if u used clomid during your cycle.. well i dont even know what would happen but it would not be good. for gyno and other esto related sides u want to run an armatose inhibitor. their job is to stop your testosterone from converting to estrogen so u dont get man boobs, and will help caught down on the weight u gain from water. a good choice to use for your cycle is armidex. running this at .5 mg every other day will suffice. u dont want to over do it with these, because no estrogen is not a good thing.. u just need to find the proper balance and that dosage usually works well.

now to your pct.. u plan on taking armidex and creatine. thats sounds like a great idea and all if u want to lose every single pound of muscle you gained and most likely will be detrimental to you in your future. a pct is designed to make you recovery from the hormones you just took and get your body back on its own, making its own testosterone. if you do not have a good pct.. your cycle will not matter. the goal is to keep the majority of all your gains.. which is really hard. if you do salvage 75% of your gains u did great. your pct needs to contain a SERM. remember clomid..? thats what that is. dosing varies bad since u already seem to be really moody, i would advice u to take lower dosages of this. 25 mgs and taper down. also in your pct u will want to block any conversion your test my make. now do u remember what it is u use to stop that conversion? thats right.. and armatose inhibitor. same dosage as u run during your cycle. next for you pct, a good idea would be to use a natrual test booster, there are many of them, but a great choice would be unleashed. that should be a good basis your a pct.

now read over what i just told you, and take it to heart. go and research everything i just listed and hopefully things will start to make more sense to you. now i am going to try lay out a good first cycle for you. i'm not going to set you up with a noob cycle, because u would prolly just spit at that idea. i am going to try to lay out one that will help you put on 10-15 pounds of keepable mass. which is what one can expect to keep for a cycle.

first use test enanthate at 500 mgs per week. since it is a long ester you only need to pin twice a week.. not every day.

second use equipose at 400 mgs per week. this also has a long ester and only needs to be pinned twice a week. this is one of my favorite things to use. u will have steady gains all the way through your cycle with minimum sides. maybe a little bit of acne. eq is best if ran for at least 16 weeks so this is what im going to set up for u.

third, t-bol dosed at 40 mgs per day. since u are using two long estered injectables it will take a few weeks for blood levels to elevate and to start seeing results. often times when this is the case someone will front load the cycle with an oral steriod that is quick acting. since u are fighter, but also want to gain weight i think tbol will work well. u will get good strength and size from it and u wont put on much water weight. you will want to run this for the first 4 weeks and that is all. anything longer will just hurt your liver and the other compounds will start to kick in by then.

now right there are the compounds that will give you excellent results.. set up well. if u train right and eat right, the magic will happen.

now cycles can have certain side effects that will want to avoid at all costs.. mostly the estrogen related ones like bitch tits and water retention. so remember.. for this u want to use an armatose inhibitor so that these wont be a problem. armidex is perfect dosed at .5 mgs every other day.

you also listed in your original cycle that u were going to use proviron. this is a great support hormone to use. it isnt very strong on its own, but when stacked with others, it can increase how well they compounds will work. it will also help to block estrogen and help with any sexual related sides that may occur.

now u need to have some support supplements to run to help caught down on the other sides, like liver damage, and high blood pressure. the best option is a product called n2guard. run this throughout the entire cycle.

i dont think u will need to run hcg for your cycle, instead u will want to use something called hcgenerate.. it will have the same effect at hcg but will be easier to take. start this at week 5 and use it all the way through until u start pct.

now it is time for the most important part, your recovery aka your pct. since u are using long estered hormones, u will not want to start your pct until 2 weeks after your last injection. even tho u are not injecting the hormones are still in your body and active. u want to wait until they are done running their course. now 2 weeks after your last pin u will offially start your pct. first u want to use your serm? u remember what that was? thats right.. clomid. a low dose will work well. u will run it for four weeks. the first use 25 mg a day, and use 12.5 mg a day for the rest of the time. you will continue to run armidex all the way to through your pct at .5 mgs every other day to stop any estrogen that may try to sneak up and ruin your day. then finally use your natrual test booster and use as listed on the box.

this is what your cycle will look like

1-16 Test-E @ 500 mgs per week
1-16 Equpose @ 400 mgs per week
1-4 TBol @ 40 mgs every day
1-16 n2guard full serving per day
4-16 Hcgenerate full serving per day

1-16 proviron at 25 mgs every day
1-18 armidex at .5 mgs every other day

pct
19-22 clomid 25/12.5/12.5/12.5
19-22 armidex at .5 mgs every other day
19-22 natrual test booster take as directed.

i hope this will help you. this is a great cycle to put on quality size. it is not a noob cycle, and actually can be considered advanced. the sides should be minimal and if you do every right u will be very pleased with the results. now before u even think about doing this.. go study more. research. learn everything you can. the more you know the better it will work for u. any questions u need to pm me and ill try to help you as much as i can.

now realize i just spent an hour and a half writing this for you.. so u better read it and appreciate it.
 
Mr Blonde said:
Hello, i am 21 years old 6'1 and 160 pounds and have tried desperately to gain weight for a long time to no avail, and after much deliberation regarding the pros and cons of doing steroids i have taken the firm and unwaivering decision to do a cycle.

I am an amateur MMA fighter fighting at 155 and want to go up at least one weight class(185) and if possible up to 205.

also bear in mind that any attempt to dissuade me from doing steroids because of my age or weight will fall on deaf ears, i am a health-freak (don't smoke don't drink) and i have already debated this at length and have decided that if i can keep side effects to a minimum and get my hpg axis up and running post cycle asap, doing steroids would be a win win situation.

so i am doing it one way or another and if you feel like it would be wrong to give me advice because i am still too "young" whatever the hell that means then perhaps the following will convince you, 1. I am an adult of sound mind and have the god given right to put any substance in my body which i desire so long as i am not putting any other person in danger. 2. i have mostly finished growing so i am not stunting my growth and with a properly planned PCT there will be no permanent effects to my hormone secreting organs. 3 considering the fact that i am gung-ho about this cycle there are only there is only one logical result as to what will happen if you don't give your advice and one logical result if you do give it. you not giving your advice if it is indeed sound would actually be destructive towards me doing a cycle in a safe and secure manner since i am doing it regardless of whether you give me advice or not. if you don't give it and have knowledge that could help me i will do it anyway and will be less better off than if you had given it and on the other hand if you do contribute to help a fellow out
i will be better off since i will obviously be cycling much more intelligently.


sorry for taking so long but i have read tons of threads where people refuse to give advice based on the fact that someone is not over 30 or something similar to that.

i also don't see anything wrong with taking advantage of science and avoiding the long and slow multiple year process of gaining muscle naturally, so now that you have an idea of where i am coming from and about the fact that steroids are a means to an end for me because once i reach my goals i will stop using permanently and try hard to maintain that weight by eating right and working out diligently, i would like to ask you veterans what you think of the following cycle,


keep in mind i want to see drastic gains and i am hoping the following will be adequate.


12 weeks Test Prop @ 700mg a week injected every day
12 weeks EQ @ 700mg a week injected every day
12 weeks Proviron @ 700 mg a week taken every day
12 weeks Masteron @ 700 mg a week injected every day
12 weeks HCG for 12 weeks @ 100 iu every day

(CLOMID DURING CYCLE ONLY IN CASE OF GYNO @ 100mg ED until 3 or 4 days after problem subsides)

PCT
Arimidex 50 mg first 2 weeks then 25mg for 2 weeks.
Creatine 5 grams ED indefinitely

#1 do you think i should eliminate the
masteron or keep it?

#2 what else should i add for PCT?

#3 store.bodybuildingfactory .comarticle-pct-post-cycle-therapy.html
They claim that certain natural supplements including zinc raise your endogenous testosterone levels during PCT, bunk?

i welcome any advice
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No wonder why your profile names mr blonde haha way to much for first cycle bro want advice eat chicken, steak and complex carbs..

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