1-ad...?

[mvmaxx]

My sister's husband's friend's dentist's dog's owner said that HE HEARD from his best friend's wife's uncle that this stuff does nothing but give you sides and doesn't work at all.

Actually both my workout partner and I used 1-AD for a period of about 6 weeks. The "sides" included increased strength <+60lbs on bench>, increased mass <+18lbs in 5 weeks> and joint relief <my workout partner had a tough time going beyond 225 on bench because of his shoulder and was repping 315 by the end>.

My point is people are so damn quick to bag on shit they've never used. My workout partner had done andro cycles before and never felt anything. He was amazed at how well the 1-AD worked.

The only drawback I found was a lower libido and my nuts did shrink a little but I'd expect that from any kind of gear or non-gear that shuts down your natural test as it produces test in your body, or injecting it straight using gear. After a few weeks off things went back to normal. If I knew it was going to have such a dramatic effect I prolly would've used clomid.

And btw, da big thinker - the person who replied to your post was Patrick Arnold himself - the organic chemist who discovered both andro and nor-andro and knows more about hormones and gear than you and I will in a lifetime.

 

[ErgoGal]

Now,if we could just get Mr. Arnold to switch over to the dark side and start making us some human grade oral turinabol and furazabol,he would be the god of hard-core enthusiasts.

If this stuff were legal to do then I would have no problem doing it. Its just that leading a life of paranoia and secrecy is not particularly appealing to me at 35 years old

 

[ErgoGal]

o.k...what hormone would that be then?and no offense to you bro,i'm just going w/ what the guy behind the counter told me...funny sh*t...

5alpha-androst-1-en-17beta-ol-3-one

 

[ErgoGal]

5alpha-androst-1-en-17beta-ol-3-one

OK, I am an idiot. This is patrick, not ergogal. I forgot to switch over to my identity on the computer. No, i did not get a sex change

 

[da big thinker]

My sister's husband's friend's dentist's dog's owner said that HE HEARD from his best friend's wife's uncle that this stuff does nothing but give you sides and doesn't work at all.

Actually both my workout partner and I used 1-AD for a period of about 6 weeks. The "sides" included increased strength <+60lbs on bench>, increased mass <+18lbs in 5 weeks> and joint relief <my workout partner had a tough time going beyond 225 on bench because of his shoulder and was repping 315 by the end>.

My point is people are so damn quick to bag on shit they've never used. My workout partner had done andro cycles before and never felt anything. He was amazed at how well the 1-AD worked.

The only drawback I found was a lower libido and my nuts did shrink a little but I'd expect that from any kind of gear or non-gear that shuts down your natural test as it produces test in your body, or injecting it straight using gear. After a few weeks off things went back to normal. If I knew it was going to have such a dramatic effect I prolly would've used clomid.

And btw, da big thinker - the person who replied to your post was Patrick Arnold himself - the organic chemist who discovered both andro and nor-andro and knows more about hormones and gear than you and I will in a lifetime.

listen bro...with all due respect to Patrick Arnold,my point was that the claims made by the "fruit" behind the counter were silly to say the least...7 times more potent than TEST?that is one stupid ass remark...and you don't need to be a bio-chemist to figure this one out...lol!i did not bag this shit as you state...i would not be asking about it if were close minded...AND I AM NOT...beleive me.IMHO,i just find that for the price,i would rather stick to something like sust,cyp,etc...i react well to it.in addition,
you gained +18 lbs in 5 weeks...?if so,why do you still require the aid of steroids?with those kind of accomplishments,i would just stick to 1-ad...hey,you found your miracle worker...those are some astonishing gains...---fyi

 

[da big thinker]

5alpha-androst-1-en-17beta-ol-3-one

thx for the response...any studies to show how effective this compound is...?in other words,does ergopharm have some back up to validate these claims...?

 

[THeMaCHinE]

Bill Roberts and Chris Shugart on 1AD (this is the same thing we're discussing, right?) (from a T-mag interview, so take it with a grain of salt...)


Chris: Now what about that 1-androstenedione and 1-androstenediol stuff?

Bill: Okay, now at least we have a case of someone that’s trying to deliver something good!

These are prohormones, though ineffective ones, of 17beta-hydroxy-androst-1-ene-3-one, or Androst-1-ene for short. This is a very cool steroid, if you get enough of it in the system. It’s two or three times as potent as Testosterone, but it doesn’t convert to estrogen or DHT. And it’s a legal, natural product. Androst-1-ene is really the premier Class I legal steroid.

This, by the way, is the same thing that others are calling "1-Testosterone," not because it actually is any such thing, but because it's a name that has tremendous marketing appeal, so I suppose being wrong and deceptive is considered irrelevant.

These "1" compounds you mention were potentially interesting because they have some conversion to Androst-1-ene. If you had a very high rate of conversion, then these compounds could be nice products. Or if they were themselves inherently active, not needing conversion to help build muscle, again they could be good products. But that's not the case.

1-Androstenedione has no inherent activity, and only a poor conversion to Androst-1-ene. 1-Androstenediol is a better compound, but still is found to have only moderate potency, less than half that of 4-AD. Obviously not much converts; you don’t get much Androst-1-ene in the system, and it can’t have much inherent potency either, if any. In any case, it’s not very effective.

 

[pa1ad]

thx for the response...any studies to show how effective this compound is...?in other words,does ergopharm have some back up to validate these claims...?

The studies were done on rats and published years ago. They were published in the journal of medicinal chemistry and the journal of organic chemistry. There was also biological data on this compound published in Steroids and Arzneimittel Forshung and maybe one other journal but i don't recall the name offhand.

The compound never made it to market probably because it did not have as favorable an anabolic/androgenic ratio as was desired by pharamaceutical companies at the time. It has a ratio of about 2. The burning effect on mucous membranes may also have been a factor.

 

[pa1ad]

Chris: Now what about that 1-androstenedione and 1-androstenediol stuff?

Bill: Okay, now at least we have a case of someone that’s trying to deliver something good!

These are prohormones, though ineffective ones
of 17beta-hydroxy-androst-1-ene-3-one, or Androst-1-ene for short. This is a very cool steroid, if you get enough of it in the system. It’s two or three times as potent as Testosterone, but it doesn’t convert to estrogen or DHT. And it’s a legal, natural product. Androst-1-ene is really the premier Class I legal steroid.

This, by the way, is the same thing that others are calling "1-Testosterone," not because it actually is any such thing, but because it's a name that has tremendous marketing appeal, so I suppose being wrong and deceptive is considered irrelevant.

These "1" compounds you mention were potentially interesting because they have some conversion to Androst-1-ene. If you had a very high rate of conversion, then these compounds could be nice products. Or if they were themselves inherently active, not needing conversion to help build muscle, again they could be good products. But that's not the case.

1-Androstenedione has no inherent activity, and only a poor conversion to Androst-1-ene. 1-Androstenediol is a better compound, but still is found to have only moderate potency, less than half that of 4-AD. Obviously not much converts; you don’t get much Androst-1-ene in the system, and it can’t have much inherent potency either, if any. In any case, it’s not very effective.

1) 1-test is 2-3 times as potent as testosterone propionate. It is 7 times as potent as testosterone. You must compare free steroids against free steroids and esters against esters. Roberts should know this

2) It definitely converts to DHT. Roberts did not do his homework at all. Either that or he lied on this to promote the product

3) There is no such classification as "Class I" for anabolic steroids

4) Obviously he has no idea of the difference between formal IUPAC names and trivial names or trademark names. What kind of anal dweeb would pick on someone for nomenclature?

5) 1-AD is definitely more potent than 4-AD. This is blatantly obvious to those who have used both products

6) From feedback on the boards from uses I would suggest that 1-test is only marginally more potent than 1-AD. Therefore 1-AD conversion is probably very high

 

[69Muscle]

Hey Pat, At least you got the Gear heads listening to you now instead of shooting down 1-AD so fast.

BTW guys, I've done 3 cycles of 1-AD, 4-AD and strength was great, IMO have clomid for post cycle and you'll be fine. Take about 2-3 weeks to feel it's full effects. Appitite will be though the roof as well.

And so I don't look like a suck ass, my dbol cycle is way better then 1-AD... but I think everyone here knows that and has no delusions that 1-AD will be as effective as a 17-A oral roid.

IMO it's a great "legal" choice.