noob cycle

[axismundi]

Alright, after trolling here a few weeks, and reading, and reading, and reading... I still can't even begin to come up with a nice cycle for a noob, me. As I'm not maxed out without anything other than protein supplementation, and still get small gains every month... could anyone take a minute (and not flame me) and maybe point me to some threads I may have missed, or even just recommend something on the lighter end that I might give a shot as a new guy?

 

[drew413]

Some people would want your stats to give you advice. Me I'm a week in on my first cycle and its just a simple first one.

week 1-10 Test E 500mg/wk
I have proviron and aromasin on hand if needed for sides. not taking either until then.

PCT
Phytoserms-347
Sustain Alpha
Attack for bridge while off.


But look at some of the threads that say first cycle stuff like that and you'll find your way just keep reading.

 

[eyekanseayoo]

Quite honestly, a few weeks of research isn't going to be enough to fully understand how these compounds affect your body. That being said, your in the right place, and asking the right people. What are your stats?

Age
BF %
Weight
# of years training (consistently)

From there, people will be more inclined to offer you more input. Goodluck, and keep digging through the forum, check the "Stickies" on the top.. you should find the most valuable information there.

-EYE

 

[axismundi]

I don't want to say my stats as sadly compared to the lot of you I'd probably be the guy getting kicked to the ground in the old charles atlas advertisements haha. Let's just say my muscle mass is by no means great, and even in a competition with the most pitiful specimens I'd still be low in rankings. My body fat % is higher than I'd like, about 15-17% depending on how you go about measuring but it's not for the lack (years) of trying to change that, just the way my body wants to be I guess but I'm not going for a cut figure anyway, I just want strength gains.

Age 26
Weight: 230lbs
Height: 6'1
Body fat: 15-17%

Training: I've never been a weight machine guy. Most of my weights are either made out of ammo cans, or I do have a nice arsenal of kettlebells... I'm not going for eye bulging muscle and what not, I'm going for general overall strength. I have no intention of ever competing or anything, I simply have to deal with heavy and awkward loads quite often and am always looking to make them more manageable.



Also Let me say I have no desire for injections, I know that might not be ideal but if you could keep availability of oral in mind when recommending I'd appreciate it... I'm just not down with the idea of injecting stuff, I don't hate needles just not comfortable with the idea.

 

[EZ_E]

Sounds like your diet and you training need work...if you're
6'1/230 then either you BF % is a lot higher or you're in better shape that you think..

Can you post your diet and how you train?

~EZ

 

[axismundi]

Sounds like your diet and you training need work...if you're
6'1/230 then either you BF % is a lot higher or you're in better shape that you think..

Can you post your diet and how you train?

~EZ

My weight is coming down but ever so slowly, I'm down from about 290 a year ago... I just come from traditionally large people...

As far as diet, I average less than 150 carbs in a day, less than 50g of fat, and between 100g-130gish of protein a day... then I supplement omega-3, vitamins e,d,c, optimum nutrtions opti-men multi-vitamin 3x a day, extra biotin, creatine, calcium, garlic, cinnamon, tumeric, chlorophyll, and a multi-enzyme. Calorie intake varies from around 1300-1800 a day (as I'm trying to lose) and once every 15th day I'll eat whatever I want for the day and hit around 3-5k calories (do this as a way to treat myself, and to stave off starvation mode).

As far as training, I could probably use considerable improvement there as I have no real set anything but It's mostly kettbelell stuff... I hit every muscle group 1-3x a week, I space my sets out throughout the evening and end up doing 100-120 reps of any given movement per muscle group I'm working that day then the next day other muscle groups and when soreness is mostly gone I hit the first muscle groups again.

 

[zedhed]

Bro an oral only cycle really for the most part isnt even worth the money. Without the test in there you not gonna keep anything from your orals that is gonna amount to much.
Sure you will get more muscular as long as you are on the orals but after a few months the large % of it will all be gone.

 

[axismundi]

Bro an oral only cycle really for the most part isnt even worth the money. Without the test in there you not gonna keep anything from your orals that is gonna amount to much.
Sure you will get more muscular as long as you are on the orals but after a few months the large % of it will all be gone.

Alright I'll take that into consideration but let me ask this...

Oral will actually increase muscle though, yes? If so then I don't mind after a few months the large % being gone, as I do mostly kettlebell so if I can move into being able to do higher weight... then I still have room to DOUBLE the weight of my kettlebell yet... so as I get strength gain I can move up to a heavier ball and in theory not lose it... see I'm not actually going for like super-human, olympia/atlas muscle, I just need help moving on to more weight... mainly I just want to move up to a much heavier kettlebell by the end of the year, ideally get close to double the weight I"m doing now.

 

[EZ_E]

My weight is coming down but ever so slowly, I'm down from about 290 a year ago... I just come from traditionally large people...

As far as diet, I average less than 150 carbs in a day, less than 50g of fat, and between 100g-130gish of protein a day... then I supplement omega-3, vitamins e,d,c, optimum nutrtions opti-men multi-vitamin 3x a day, extra biotin, creatine, calcium, garlic, cinnamon, tumeric, chlorophyll, and a multi-enzyme. Calorie intake varies from around 1300-1800 a day (as I'm trying to lose) and once every 15th day I'll eat whatever I want for the day and hit around 3-5k calories (do this as a way to treat myself, and to stave off starvation mode).

As far as training, I could probably use considerable improvement there as I have no real set anything but It's mostly kettbelell stuff... I hit every muscle group 1-3x a week, I space my sets out throughout the evening and end up doing 100-120 reps of any given movement per muscle group I'm working that day then the next day other muscle groups and when soreness is mostly gone I hit the first muscle groups again.

I mean POST you diet....take a day and type what you eat from getting up to going to bed, times/portion size/how it's cooked, etc

~EZ

 

[axismundi]

I mean POST you diet....take a day and type what you eat from getting up to going to bed, times/portion size/how it's cooked, etc

~EZ

Oh that's easy as I track EVERYTHING

2-18-11

Breakfast

Healthy Choice - Beef Pot Roast W/ Gravy - Apple Cranberry Crisp - Roasted Potatoes -Carrots. 280 calories, 41 carbs, 5 fat, 17 protein

Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard 100% Whey Protein - Strawberry Banana, 1 rounded sccop (30g) 120 calories, 3 carbs, 1 fat, 24 protein

Lunch
Promax - German Chocolate Cake Energy Bar, 1 bar (75g) 280 calories, 41 carbs, 5 fat, 20 protein

Snack
Optimum Nutrition - Fudge Truffle Protein Diet Bar, 50 grams 180 calories, 19 carbs, 3 fat, 20 protein


Dinner
Bob Evan's - Wrappers Smoked Sausage, 1 piece 390 calories, 34 carbs, 21 fat, 16 protein



2-19-11

Breakfast

Weight Watchers Smart Ones - Breakfast Quesadilla- 4 Points, 1 piece (113g) 230 calories, 2+ carbs, 7 fat, 12 protein

Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard 100% Whey Protein - Strawberry Banana, 1 rounded sccop (30g) 120 calories, 3 carbs, 1 fat, 24 protein

Lunch
Promax - German Chocolate Cake Energy Bar, 1 bar (75g) 280 calories, 41 carbs, 5 fat, 20 protein

Snack
Optimum Nutrition - Fudge Truffle Protein Diet Bar, 50 grams 180 calories, 19 carbs, 3 fat, 20 protein


Dinner
Applebee's - Asiago Peppercorn Steak Dinner W/New Potato and Steamed Vegitables, 7 oz steak AND sides 390 calories, 26 carbs, 14 fat, 43 protein



Etc.