How many of you here believe in God, but have turned your backs on him? Or have you

[PICK3]

Re: How many of you here believe in God, but have turned your backs on him? Or have y

I think just for lulz plunky should screen shot is bank statement and show MM

*his

 

[miplank]

Re: How many of you here believe in God, but have turned your backs on him? Or have y

fuck

 

[puddlemonkey]

Re: How many of you here believe in God, but have turned your backs on him? Or have y

From the dawn of time
Man has always sought to allay his fears,
From the demons without and the demons that surely lurk within

Don't look for a rhyme or a reason to the story
Now is not the time, the season, no glory
Don't look for a moral or right to this tale
Don't look for a savior for your weak and your frail

I am the War God

There are many bridges to be crossed
and many more to burn

I would sooner see you dead than hear your poisoned words
Slain upon a battle field, your voice cannot be heard
I would suffer a thousand years, a thousand years in silence
My advice to you, is a message in violence

I am the War God

Though the tale is over, the song remains the same
Gods and idealism forever call our name
So we rise upon to the mount with kings at our command
To turn the endless cycle of the savage bloody hand

And it's hard to learn from the past, when the past is a whore to the last
And it's hard to see into the night, when your eyes are blinded by the light​

 

[ledhead]

Re: How many of you here believe in God, but have turned your backs on him? Or have y

My dear, I honestly don't think you have the ability to explain anything to me, you're a tad hysterical, and incredibly closed minded.

Anyway, I actually have NO idea who Colin Wilson or Mitch Horowitz are, I'm reasonably confident I don't own one book by either of them (tough to say for sure, I have a WHOLE lotta books) and I'm also pretty sure I've never read anything by them but when I get done here I'll google them and get back to you on it if it's relevant.

I confess I'm a tad offended that you would accuse me of quoting someone else's material. When I quote someone in my posts, I give them credit. What I wrote in that post was relative to my personal experience. And, hello, true wiccans don't believe in "doctrine" that belongs to religion. Doctrine/dogma/proselytizing, that all belongs to religion, not spiritual paths. We don't have ONE single book of rules, we can't HAVE a doctrine. See, you're the one proselytizing, judging me, judging what I have to share, condemning me and those who feel as I do. That's religious dogma and you and those who feel as you do can claim 100% ownership to that toxic thinking.

Finally, there is no "Crowley-ism." If I recall correctly, Crowley was one of the original members of the OTO (Ordo Templi Orientis) a Thelemic Order which is a Western Ceremonial magickal tradition, maybe even the first WC magickal tradition. They are very formal but no more evil than Roman Catholics (although I do seem to recall hearing that certain sects of born again Xtians think Roman Catholics ARE evil). Crowley was sort of the uh, I dunno, I guess you could say Marilyn Manson of his time? He wanted to be famous, and believed there was no such thing as bad publicity. In his time, he was a good magician and had a solid understanding of occult material. He sort of deteriorated as he aged, though. Whether it was drugs, illness who knows.

Finally, I'm what's considered an ecclectic wiccan, if you want to push it, I technically belong to a syncretic wiccan tradition. Honestly, the ONLY time I've encountered "Evil" was dealing with the self righteously religious. Dogmatic religion requires control, and they manage their control of the masses by fear. True evil thrives on fear. You are taught to be afraid to question, to be afraid to seek other answers, to condemn and fear those who think/worship/live differently than you. You live in a world of exclusion.

Here's the biggest conundrum of your faith (IMO): If the Universe and all things it contains sprang forth from God, and God is the ultimate supreme being, completely omniscient, omnipotent and infallible, then NOTHING that God creates can be evil.

You really, really need to watch the movie Dogma, seriously. Watch it a lot. Then come to a nice pagan gathering or two, meet some of us, and loosen up a little.

Ah, you're assuming I'm religious! Again I hate to break your heart, Im not.....So that squashes your presumptions of me. Wicca is a by-product of the occult! Fact....If I'm not mistaken it derived from Crowley's Thelema religion or they have the same traditions and mantra....Fact! I'm not judging you at all! I'm trying to help you from living in Never Never Land. I agree with you about organized religion, I hate it! It's dysfunctional.....Just like wicca is. Sorry! you're living outside the boundaries of realityand sooner or later you're going to get burned. I'm not dogmatic at all, if that's where your going with the dogma movie. I been to christian gatherings and occult gatherings it's all non-sense. Now I do believe there is a God, but I don't agree with how Christianity presents him, and I don't agree with your views on polytheism.... If I was trying to proselytize you, you would be a Marine, shredding on the guitar, and taken large anounts of roids and teaching Social Studies.....

On another note I wasn't trying to offend you.....But you were trying to offend me! Hysterical-no. Close minded a little....I honestly think that I do have the ability to explain things to you....Or maybe not you might be an absolutist monarch according to wicca....Now be nice MM....You seem like you're practical! I have no beef with you at all.....I was trying to give some insight, but you disowned it! That's fine with me.

 

[puddlemonkey]

Re: How many of you here believe in God, but have turned your backs on him? Or have y

I'm not dogmatic at all

Pestilence
A dormant disease
Spread like the plague
Now roused it feeds

Parasite
An infectious malaise
Inflicting its pain
On the minds of the weak

What fate awaits the bewildered herd
When the whole is far less than the parts of the sum
What demons wait to haunt our living dream
Can we resist the lure of the promised land

Who will man the wall
When the infected storm the gate
Who will stand tall
On the shoulders of their predecessors

Who will light the flame
To dispel the coming dark age
Who will guard the torch
When the darkness engulfs us all

Imminent
A catastrophic release
The virus inflames
Rampant lunacy

Can we defy the weight of history
And shake the madness before it engulfs
Must knowledge die another slow death
As disease, relentless, runs its course

Must we endure another dark age
Before this burden is unshackled from our back
Then once more when the memory fades
Will the darkness gather for attack

The vulnerable fall to the bite of dogmata
Teeth dripping with poison through a maniacal grin
Drenched in the blood
Of the children they've martyred
Inarticulate screams, the night closes in

 

[ledhead]

Re: How many of you here believe in God, but have turned your backs on him? Or have y

Pestilence
A dormant disease
Spread like the plague
Now roused it feeds

Parasite
An infectious malaise
Inflicting its pain
On the minds of the weak

What fate awaits the bewildered herd
When the whole is far less than the parts of the sum
What demons wait to haunt our living dream
Can we resist the lure of the promised land

Who will man the wall
When the infected storm the gate
Who will stand tall
On the shoulders of their predecessors

Who will light the flame
To dispel the coming dark age
Who will guard the torch
When the darkness engulfs us all

Imminent
A catastrophic release
The virus inflames
Rampant lunacy

Can we defy the weight of history
And shake the madness before it engulfs
Must knowledge die another slow death
As disease, relentless, runs its course

Must we endure another dark age
Before this burden is unshackled from our back
Then once more when the memory fades
Will the darkness gather for attack

The vulnerable fall to the bite of dogmata
Teeth dripping with poison through a maniacal grin
Drenched in the blood
Of the children they've martyred
Inarticulate screams, the night closes in

I little friendly advice find the nearest psychologist you can find and get some serious slow-juice.....

 

[puddlemonkey]

Re: How many of you here believe in God, but have turned your backs on him? Or have y

I little friendly advice find the nearest psychologist you can find and get some serious slow-juice.....

Enslaved with deceit by the vile spread
Idolatry to nothing
No redemption for men who cowards serve
Forsaken by those fathers that push them to be

Killed by god they pray
Stead of their superstition
Where's the god they wait
Caged by faith their salvation

Where's the holy word carved in their flesh
No common destiny or eternity to reach by a divine plan
Find the salvation denying your religion get rid of the false

I have destroyed every lie inside my mind
Free from deceit 'cause reason is my god
Rot in the swamp of untruth that we call faith
Covered by mud, drowned in their vanity
Crippled by the holy words of lethal false beliefs, die

Confined in untruth by corrupted priests
Imprisoned in ignorance
With deception they stroke ingenuous minds
Nailed down by those liars, hang up golden cross

Rise, in honour of Reason
There is no lie that can't be destroyed with the intellect
Rise, slaughter the preachers
Betrayers that deserve to die, to die, to....

I spit out the muck that haunt my mind
Ill-mighty declined with shame

Rise, deny the preachers word and
Rise, destroy the kingdom of the lie
Abandon your credos tear the bias gloomy fakes
Find the salvation denying your religion get rid of the false

 

[musclemom]

Re: How many of you here believe in God, but have turned your backs on him? Or have y

Yeah, let's conveniently overlook the fact that you elected to work in a dying cottage industry so you could stay at home for the last 5-10 years and avoid the rat race.

Actually, until they started outsourcing transcription to India (material that has NO business leaving this country in the opinion of many) there was nothing "dying" or "cottage" about this industry.

A good transcriptionist keeps a doctor from looking stupid, and you can't be stupid and do this work. It's virtually impossible for many doctors to speak at the pace VR software demands. Most of them want their reports to look good and they don't have the time or patience to mess with it.

Additionally, VR software does not have the ability to remember that oh, hey MRS. Jones is a woman with an injury to her right foot and correct the doctor when he refers to his MALE patient's injured LEFT foot (and that happens a WHOLE lot). Nevermind keeping track of how to spell medications, procedures, etc. Little things like knowing that a patient who was born in 1936 can't possibly be 47, opening the letter with Dear Dr. Jones when the Dr. he's addressing the letter to is named Smith and Jones is actually the patient, that's the sort of shit that makes a doctor sound foolish and pisses them off to no end, but they say it all the time.

If I left things to stand exactly as they are dictated by my clients, there are times it would be a mess. That's the funny part about my work, if I do my job right, it's invisible (and, obviously, unappreciated). All they know is if they go somewhere else (to a service that outsources to other countries or VR software) suddenly they start sounding like they barely graduated high school. Some of them just make their office workers fix things. Some of them come back to professional American transcriptionists because their office personnel don't have the time (or know the terminology).

When I first got involved in this industry on a full time basis, a good living wage wasn't an unreasonable expectation. Now, thanks to advances in internet technology and East Indians who are willing to work for less than half what an American needs to make, a transcriptionist has to work almost twice as hard to make the same amount of money. This is also a physical job, and some people's hands and arms can take the abuse, some can't, and some of us are forced to pace ourselves, finding a balance between wear and tear on our extremities and making what we need to get by.

And as an aside, you don't know me, plunkey, but let's put it this way, more than 90% of the decisions I made in my life, that have brought me to where I am financially, were not made because I had the luxury OF choosing. I was driven to them out of fear, for the sake of survival, or to provide assistance and/or support for family. I could have made several decisions that were purely selfish and would be better off now, but I decided to do the morally right thing, knowing I was probably shooting myself in the foot as I did it. And yes, it pisses me off, just because I have a conscience doesn't mean I'm a saint.

 

[chris302001]

Re: How many of you here believe in God, but have turned your backs on him? Or have y

Actually, until they started outsourcing transcription to India (material that has NO business leaving this country in the opinion of many) there was nothing "dying" or "cottage" about this industry.

A good transcriptionist keeps a doctor from looking stupid, and you can't be stupid and do this work. It's virtually impossible for many doctors to speak at the pace VR software demands. Most of them want their reports to look good and they don't have the time or patience to mess with it.

Additionally, VR software does not have the ability to remember that oh, hey MRS. Jones is a woman with an injury to her right foot and correct the doctor when he refers to his MALE patient's injured LEFT foot (and that happens a WHOLE lot). Nevermind keeping track of how to spell medications, procedures, etc. Little things like knowing that a patient who was born in 1936 can't possibly be 47, opening the letter with Dear Dr. Jones when the Dr. he's addressing the letter to is named Smith and Jones is actually the patient, that's the sort of shit that makes a doctor sound foolish and pisses them off to no end, but they say it all the time.

If I left things to stand exactly as they are dictated by my clients, there are times it would be a mess. That's the funny part about my work, if I do my job right, it's invisible (and, obviously, unappreciated). All they know is if they go somewhere else (to a service that outsources to other countries or VR software) suddenly they start sounding like they barely graduated high school. Some of them just make their office workers fix things. Some of them come back to professional American transcriptionists because their office personnel don't have the time (or know the terminology).

When I first got involved in this industry on a full time basis, a good living wage wasn't an unreasonable expectation. Now, thanks to advances in internet technology and East Indians who are willing to work for less than half what an American needs to make, a transcriptionist has to work almost twice as hard to make the same amount of money. This is also a physical job, and some people's hands and arms can take the abuse, some can't, and some of us are forced to pace ourselves, finding a balance between wear and tear on our extremities and making what we need to get by.

And as an aside, you don't know me, plunkey, but let's put it this way, more than 90% of the decisions I made in my life, that have brought me to where I am financially, were not made because I had the luxury OF choosing. I was driven to them out of fear, for the sake of survival, or to provide assistance and/or support for family. I could have made several decisions that were purely selfish and would be better off now, but I decided to do the morally right thing, knowing I was probably shooting myself in the foot as I did it. And yes, it pisses me off, just because I have a conscience doesn't mean I'm a saint.

I appreciate my transcriptionists!

 

[musclemom]

Re: How many of you here believe in God, but have turned your backs on him? Or have y

Ah, you're assuming I'm religious! Again I hate to break your heart, Im not.....So that squashes your presumptions of me. Wicca is a by-product of the occult! Fact....If I'm not mistaken it derived from Crowley's Thelema religion or they have the same traditions and mantra....Fact! I'm not judging you at all! I'm trying to help you from living in Never Never Land. I agree with you about organized religion, I hate it! It's dysfunctional.....Just like wicca is. Sorry! you're living outside the boundaries of realityand sooner or later you're going to get burned. I'm not dogmatic at all, if that's where your going with the dogma movie. I been to christian gatherings and occult gatherings it's all non-sense. Now I do believe there is a God, but I don't agree with how Christianity presents him, and I don't agree with your views on polytheism.... If I was trying to proselytize you, you would be a Marine, shredding on the guitar, and taken large anounts of roids and teaching Social Studies.....

On another note I wasn't trying to offend you.....But you were trying to offend me! Hysterical-no. Close minded a little....I honestly think that I do have the ability to explain things to you....Or maybe not you might be an absolutist monarch according to wicca....Now be nice MM....You seem like you're practical! I have no beef with you at all.....I was trying to give some insight, but you disowned it! That's fine with me.

Do you even know the meaning of the word proselytize? Because the idea of a 45 y/o woman shot full of steroids doesn't quite cut it for me.

You didn't offend me, but I'm tired of people like you. You think you're unique? You think you have some blazing insight that will lead me away from my path of damnation? You read a book or two, listen to one or two people who speak passionately and well but with absolute ignorance, maybe attend one or two "rituals" run by people who have absolutely no idea what they're really doing or how to do it and you're an "expert."

I came to my spiritual beliefs after reading, completely, The Bible, The Koran, The Tibetan Book of the Dead, The Bhagavad Gita, the I Ching (to name a few) and tons of ancillary books, including the Apocryphal texts, ancient Hebrew texts and material on Buddhism and Native American spirituality.

I've been informally involved in earth based and goddess based spirituality since the mid 1980s, formally dedicated into a coven in 2006 and frankly, over the decades I have debated, argued, and Christian bashed. Now I just try my best to correct misinformation and move on. You will learn eventually, if not in this lifetime some other, you have all of eternity to work out your own karma, but one thing I have learned, expending my personal energy by trying to clear the vision of you and those like you is an exercise in futility. You cannot add water to a glass that is already full