How many of you here believe in God, but have turned your backs on him? Or have you

[mrplunkey]

Re: How many of you here believe in God, but have turned your backs on him? Or have y

Um, no.

You're comparing apples to pinecones. They both bear the seeds of plants, they both have somewhat roundish shapes, but there the similarities end. I will not and cannot hold a discussion, never mind debate, equating torture and execution committed in the name of spiritual beliefs with outmoded medical therapeutic treatments.

I could list not hundreds, but thousands of medical procedures that were once considered "cutting edge" and are now looked upon in horror.

See, the whole argument that government overseeing the business end of medicine will revert medical procedures to barbarism feels strongly to me of the arguments fundamentalists use that if we allow gay marriage then next people will be marrying animals and pedophilia will become common practice.

There are many, many people who stand to lose a whole lot of money if the government steps in and stops the financial abuses that take place in the name of medicine.

People screamed about the Pentagon's $500 hammer and $900 toilet seats, WTF about a hospital's $10 Advil? How about my husband's $6,000 EEG and $8,000 EEGs for his CPAP monitoring?

And that's where you completely miss the point. I'm not comparing spiritual beliefs to medical treatments in any way, shape or form.

I'm emphasizing the fact that the government getting involved in either spirituality or medical treatments is a complete and total disaster.

If your husband needs an EEG or CPAP with the government's help, how in the world can he purchase a car, rent an apartment or even buy groceries without the government's help as well? And what about employment opportunities? Surely we can't let something that important fall outside the government's purview, can we?

 

[PICK3]

Re: How many of you here believe in God, but have turned your backs on him? Or have y

If your husband needs an EEG or CPAP with the government's help, how in the world can he purchase a car, rent an apartment or even buy groceries without the government's help as well? And what about employment opportunities? Surely we can't let something that important fall outside the government's purview, can we?

knot required

just want someone to throw me a bone every once in awhile (no homo though)

a few xannies, a modest stimulus check, and a voucher for a hawt piece of ass, and I'm good

 

[mrplunkey]

Re: How many of you here believe in God, but have turned your backs on him? Or have y

knot required

just want someone to throw me a bone every once in awhile (no homo though)

a few xannies, a modest stimulus check, and a voucher for a hawt piece of ass, and I'm good

Yeah but I want cable TV, a boat and an occasional steak and lobster dinner.

Maybe uncle sugar should just give us everything so people like you and me don't fall under the cracks.

 

[musclemom]

Re: How many of you here believe in God, but have turned your backs on him? Or have y

And that's where you completely miss the point. I'm not comparing spiritual beliefs to medical treatments in any way, shape or form.

I'm emphasizing the fact that the government getting involved in either spirituality or medical treatments is a complete and total disaster.

If your husband needs an EEG or CPAP with the government's help, how in the world can he purchase a car, rent an apartment or even buy groceries without the government's help as well? And what about employment opportunities? Surely we can't let something that important fall outside the government's purview, can we?

I honestly have no idea what you're driving at, and honestly, I almost don't give a fuck. I'm only answering you because I'd like you to see MY point of view, not that it will change ONE thing about your perceptions because, what I truly love about people who have no financial fears is that they have no idea what it's like for those of us who do. They think money falls out of everyone's assholes they way it falls out of theirs.

Lemme give you a perspective on my life, Plunk. $115,000 TOTAL and I would be complete debt free, COMPLETELY, INCLUDING MY HOUSE!!! AND I CANNOT SEE A POINT ANYWHERE IN MY LIFE WHERE I WILL BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THAT! I'm 45 and my husband is 57 and we cannot afford to continue to live where we do if he has to take retirement. We cannot afford to put anything into his 401k nevermind fucking IRA. So fuck you and your ivory tower mentality.

Anyway, my husband has mediocre health insurance subsidized through his employer. It costs us $42/week per person. He needed two overnight surveillance studies, called polysomnograms, to see if he needed CPAP. The first study is performed to see if you actually need the CPAP, the second study is only done if it is determined that you do need a CPAP device. It is called a titration study, where they hook you up to the machine and basically tweak it. EEGs are part of both studies, performed for the entire night. The monitoring time is the same, and yet on one night the insurance company was charged $6,000, the second night, $8,000. That's what I mean when I'm talking $500 hammers and $900 toilet seats.

You think the government could stick it's fingers deeper into medicine deeper than insurance companies have and mess things up worse? Do you know how many letters I've typed where doctors are virtually BEGGING insurance companies to approve procedures or medications for people that are genuinely suffering? Do you really think unregulated private sector is that fucking great? The unregulated private sector is the equivalent of wolves preying on sheep in a field. Humans DO NOT choose the high road. Given the choice between the ability to make unlimited profits vs. electing to take the high road and provide good service for reasonable prices, corporations will choose profits time and again.

Fuck man, my husband has worked for Macys for 35+ years now. You know what the average annual raise for an across the board outstanding yearly review is? $0.25 to $0.35. Just enough to cover the annual increase in the health insurance. Sure as fuck not enough to cover annual cost of living increases. No end of year bonuses, are you shitting me, not for common salaried riff raff, 35 years of service or not.

But the CEOs make how many millions in bonuses? TO DO WHAT??? To take calls in the middle of the night when a sprinkler alarm goes off? To work every 5th Saturday and be on call with no pay that Sunday?

But they DO put on such a LOVELY Thanksgiving day parade, that's a how many million dollar a year write off?

I hate rich people. Seriously. I played the game, I tried to do what the American Dream is supposed to be and all I ended up with was being ass fucked with no lube, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

Capitalism is the second biggest lie next to religion.

So in that way, I must give you credit, we have created a lovely logic loop. The bullshit lies of religion leading to the bigger bullshit lies of the capitalist dream.

 

[jackangel]

Re: How many of you here believe in God, but have turned your backs on him? Or have y

don't forget state-sponsored blowjobs

no, wait. they'll fuck it up and send you a dude.

* insert pick3 joke *

 

[PICK3]

Re: How many of you here believe in God, but have turned your backs on him? Or have y

Maybe uncle sugar should just give us everything so people like you and me don't fall under the cracks.

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[mrplunkey]

Re: How many of you here believe in God, but have turned your backs on him? Or have y

I honestly have no idea what you're driving at, and honestly, I almost don't give a fuck. I'm only answering you because I'd like you to see MY point of view, not that it will change ONE thing about your perceptions because, what I truly love about people who have no financial fears is that they have no idea what it's like for those of us who do. They think money falls out of everyone's assholes they way it falls out of theirs.

Lemme give you a perspective on my life, Plunk. $115,000 TOTAL and I would be complete debt free, COMPLETELY, INCLUDING MY HOUSE!!! AND I CANNOT SEE A POINT ANYWHERE IN MY LIFE WHERE I WILL BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THAT! I'm 45 and my husband is 57 and we cannot afford to continue to live where we do if he has to take retirement. We cannot afford to put anything into his 401k nevermind fucking IRA. So fuck you and your ivory tower mentality.

Anyway, my husband has mediocre health insurance subsidized through his employer. It costs us $42/week per person. He needed two overnight surveillance studies, called polysomnograms, to see if he needed CPAP. The first study is performed to see if you actually need the CPAP, the second study is only done if it is determined that you do need a CPAP device. It is called a titration study, where they hook you up to the machine and basically tweak it. EEGs are part of both studies, performed for the entire night. The monitoring time is the same, and yet on one night the insurance company was charged $6,000, the second night, $8,000. That's what I mean when I'm talking $500 hammers and $900 toilet seats.

You think the government could stick it's fingers deeper into medicine deeper than insurance companies have and mess things up worse? Do you know how many letters I've typed where doctors are virtually BEGGING insurance companies to approve procedures or medications for people that are genuinely suffering? Do you really think unregulated private sector is that fucking great? The unregulated private sector is the equivalent of wolves preying on sheep in a field. Humans DO NOT choose the high road. Given the choice between the ability to make unlimited profits vs. electing to take the high road and provide good service for reasonable prices, corporations will choose profits time and again.

Fuck man, my husband has worked for Macys for 35+ years now. You know what the average annual raise for an across the board outstanding yearly review is? $0.25 to $0.35. Just enough to cover the annual increase in the health insurance. Sure as fuck not enough to cover annual cost of living increases. No end of year bonuses, are you shitting me, not for common salaried riff raff, 35 years of service or not.

But the CEOs make how many millions in bonuses? TO DO WHAT??? To take calls in the middle of the night when a sprinkler alarm goes off? To work every 5th Saturday and be on call with no pay that Sunday?

But they DO put on such a LOVELY Thanksgiving day parade, that's a how many million dollar a year write off?

I hate rich people. Seriously. I played the game, I tried to do what the American Dream is supposed to be and all I ended up with was being ass fucked with no lube, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

Capitalism is the second biggest lie next to religion.

So in that way, I must give you credit, we have created a lovely logic loop. The bullshit lies of religion leading to the bigger bullshit lies of the capitalist dream.

Yeah, let's conveniently overlook the fact that you elected to work in a dying cottage industry so you could stay at home for the last 5-10 years and avoid the rat race.

I love these socialist/communist rants over executive pay. Rates of pay are set by market forces. If I could hire a COO or VP for $50,000/year, do you not think I would? Then I could hire five of them and stay at home too and spend my days on spiritual bullshit. Oh wait... who am I kidding? I'd just hang out having sex, lifting weights, playing videogames and drinking (in that order). Perhaps it's for the best that I started my day at 4:00am and finished around 6:30pm.

 

[mrplunkey]

Re: How many of you here believe in God, but have turned your backs on him? Or have y

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[miplank]

Re: How many of you here believe in God, but have turned your backs on him? Or have y

Lemme give you a perspective on my life, Plunk. $115,000 TOTAL and I would be complete debt free, COMPLETELY, INCLUDING MY HOUSE!!! AND I CANNOT SEE A POINT ANYWHERE IN MY LIFE WHERE I WILL BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THAT! I'm 45 and my husband is 57 and we cannot afford to continue to live where we do if he has to take retirement. We cannot afford to put anything into his 401k nevermind fucking IRA. So fuck you and your ivory tower mentality.

I thought you rented

 

[miplank]

Re: How many of you here believe in God, but have turned your backs on him? Or have y

I think just for lulz plunky should screen shot is bank statement and show MM