Long term psychological medicine, ya/ney?

[Lambruh]

Prior to getting clean and going to rehab, I was on zero medication for anything.

In the last few months a psych diagnosed me with ADHD, mild depression and obsessive disorder. So now he has me on Vyvanse (ADHD), Pristiq/Cymbalta (SNRI's) and Seroquel (anti-psychotic/sleep). All these medications he's warned me I might have to be on lifelong. This pisses me off, not buying the scripts/travel to the doc, but the fact that my brain might be clowded for the rest of my life. While the meds are somewhat helping (vyvanse), the seroquel is knocking me out and I can't even tell a diff on the Cymbalta/Pristiq.

Should I tell my doc that the anti-d's don't seem to be doing much? If they don't seem to be working than maybe my anxiety/depression is just normal behavior.

I don't want medicines to change the way I am for life or give me an altered personality/mindset

 

[lartinos]

I know I wouldn't wanna be on that crap too long.I wouldn't want to take shit. I would eat a perfect diet and also have a great workout program. I would run for sanity and not take shit like this. I also don't know what it would be like to relapse though either. I'd be interested to hear if others have come off these drugs here.

 

[SouthernLord]

Fuck bro. Are your issues a direct effect of booting up?

I hate taking anything other than supps and aas. I'd rather be depressed than zonked out all the time on meds.

 

[SouthernLord]

Fuck bro. Are your issues a direct effect of booting up?

I hate taking anything other than supps and aas. I'd rather be depressed than zonked out all the time on meds.

 

[samoth]

I'd think you'd feel something on 60mg Cymbalta qd. Regardless, there's lots of various antidepressants and antipsychotics out there. Try them -- if your doc doesn't want to try different things to find something that works, get a new doc. Just give the drugs long enough to have an affect, and make sure when you're comparing them, all things are equal.

I don't want medicines to change the way I am for life or give me an altered personality/mindset

Um, I don't think you understand why you are on these drugs. They are supposed to change the way you are and alter your personality/mindset. Accept it and move on, or don't and cope; but pick where you stand here.

 

[Lambruh]

Fuck bro. Are your issues a direct effect of booting up?

I hate taking anything other than supps and aas. I'd rather be depressed than zonked out all the time on meds.

exact opposite, I used dope and downers, even weed to numb my racing thoughts and hyperactive mood swings.

 

[ortiz34]

I've asked myself the same thing, after years of SSRI's and my dick in the dirt I gave up. Just didn't seem worth it to me. Albiet they helped, just not after a long time.
Everyone is different though.
I think you need this medication now quite possibly, but never believe that you have to be on them forever.

 

[Roxy722]

Prior to getting clean and going to rehab, I was on zero medication for anything.

In the last few months a psych diagnosed me with ADHD, mild depression and obsessive disorder. So now he has me on Vyvanse (ADHD), Pristiq/Cymbalta (SNRI's) and Seroquel (anti-psychotic/sleep). All these medications he's warned me I might have to be on lifelong. This pisses me off, not buying the scripts/travel to the doc, but the fact that my brain might be clowded for the rest of my life. While the meds are somewhat helping (vyvanse), the seroquel is knocking me out and I can't even tell a diff on the Cymbalta/Pristiq.

Should I tell my doc that the anti-d's don't seem to be doing much? If they don't seem to be working than maybe my anxiety/depression is just normal behavior.

I don't want medicines to change the way I am for life or give me an altered personality/mindset

Seroquel will definitely knock you out. What does obsessing look like to you? Are the racing thoughts and mood swings more the issue? I wonder if the diagnosis is right. I'm not saying you don't need meds but I think docs are quick to prescribe these cocktails. Maybe healthy living and talk therapy might work better? tough to say but I agree..don't ever feel like it's a lifelong thing, without exploring options and doing some research.

 

[shirlene29]

its my understanding also that adhd and obsessive thoughts tend to go with each other...

idk about life long use unless you're talkin schitzophrenia or other severe mood disorders tho

 

[IrightI]

meds can definately be a lifelong thing. For whatever reason, your body does/doesn't make the normal amout of hormones/chemicals to keep you at ease. As a person who also suffers from Adult ADD/ depression, as well as a recovering alcoholic/addict, I need the meds in the morning for me just to keep me from obsessing on "things". I do really well on Clonazopam. The Vynase and Cymbalta wouldn't bother me as long as I was benefitting from them. It's the Seroquel that concerns me, that has made everyone that I know who took it into a walking Zombie. They may not have been good candidates for it OR they could have been on the wrong doseage. Whatever the case, never quit taking any of your meds w/o talking to your DR first. This holistic stuff that some have posted, for an organic depression and ADD, it will never help by itself, in addition to, that is never a bad thing imo.

make meetings, work the steps, get a sponsor. ad nauseum bro..... you can add, take your meds to that if you want.
TxB

 

[samoth]

For whatever reason, your body does/doesn't make the normal amout of hormones/chemicals to keep you at ease.

For whatever reason, people don't seem to like to think that they fucked their bodies up beyond repair through their own actions.

For people that fit the above criteria, I never understood the whiney "omg I don't wanna take these drugs forever" attitude.

 

[nefertiti]

I personally am not a fan of docs perscribing seroquel for anything other than schizophrenia and severe bipolar depression. It is a seriously sedating drug, and it seems like major overkill in your case.

 

[nefertiti]

For whatever reason, people don't seem to like to think that they fucked their bodies up beyond repair through their own actions.

For people that fit the above criteria, I never understood the whiney "omg I don't wanna take these drugs forever" attitude.

Dude, back down.

You don't know him and you don't know what his situation was like before his addiction issues. Presuming that he did this to himself, rather than that these issues triggered the drug problem, is really unwarranted.

 

[samoth]

Dude, back down.

You don't know him and you don't know what his situation was like before his addiction issues. Presuming that he did this to himself, rather than that these issues triggered the drug problem, is really unwarranted.

Wow. Hit a personal nerve?

Seriously, people get really defensive when they're confronted with the fact that they're not indestructible and their actions might have permanent (*gasp*) repurcussions.

Doesn't matter whether you're an user-addict, smoker, ana, obese, or teenager... the human organism is not as tough as we like to think it is. There is no auto shop after humans abuse their bodies. Why think the organism will magically heal everything? Accepting reality is the credited choice, not hand-holding and baby talk.

The OP already admitted to wrecking his body. Your presumptions are the unwarrented ones, not mine.

 

[nefertiti]

Yes, it hit a personal nerve. I think it's really ridiculous that you think depression is a repercussion of bad behavior rather than bad behavior being a self medicating/coping mechanism of depression. Your comments are completely out of touch and frankly, astounding to me. I know some of the things I've done to myself have repurcussions, but i also know that I did those things to cope with crap that was pre-existing. Depression didn't happen AFTER I habitually stuck my head in the toilet.

 

[jackangel]

lol @ samoth being the worst person evar.

 

[samoth]

Yes, it hit a personal nerve. I think it's really ridiculous that you think depression is a repercussion of bad behavior rather than bad behavior being a self medicating/coping mechanism of depression. Your comments are completely out of touch and frankly, astounding to me. I know some of the things I've done to myself have repurcussions, but i also know that I did those things to cope with crap that was pre-existing. Depression didn't happen AFTER I habitually stuck my head in the toilet.

Nobody's talking about depression per se here. Perhaps go back and read the OP? I mean, I'm sure this is all personal and stuff for you, but I was addressing the OP's poast objectively here. Not you. I'm sure people would be happy to help you in your own thread if you so desired, though, but this thread isn't about you. Sorry.

 

[samoth]

lol @ samoth being the worst person evar.

That hurt, man.

 

[lartinos]

Samoth isn't the worst person ever, maybe a little jaded/cynical.What he is saying may indeed have merit. Addicts defintely have something going on in their brain that isn't working out. I wish I could help my friend who has these sorts of issues, but I am afraid it will never happen. I just hope he gets thrown in jail.

 

[nefertiti]

Nobody's talking about depression per se here. Perhaps go back and read the OP? I mean, I'm sure this is all personal and stuff for you, but I was addressing the OP's poast objectively here. Not you. I'm sure people would be happy to help you in your own thread if you so desired, though, but this thread isn't about you. Sorry.

No, it's not, but I am 100% positive I have a much better understanding of this kind of thing than you because of my experience and my experience with people I love who have been addicts or who have had to take various psychiatric meds. I read his post. And I don't see a single thing he posted that would qualify as a "consequence" of his drug use. And he mentions depression, so yeah, if you're going after his comments about not wanting to be on drugs for depression, then yes, it's at least in part about depression.

I see nothing all that horrible about someone not wanting to take something like seroquel for the rest of their life. It's an anti-psychotic and having it prescribed for sleep is preposterous. It's intended use is as I mentioned severe bipolar depression and schizophrenia - which, for the record, are not triggered by drug use. It's insanely debiliating for a LOT of people and it's not in the slightest bit whiney for someone to question the need for it long term or even short term.

You have things completely backwards. Psychiatric drugs are prescribed to addicts of various natures with the idea that it is going to correct the problem that triggered the addiction, not that it will correct the problem the addiction caused. Certainly drug use can't help things but come on.

While you certainly struck a personal nerve (and no, I don't need to start my own thread), part of the personal nerve you struck is because I actually have some capacity for empathy for lambruh. He did something unbelievably difficult, beyond what most people could ever comprehend, in quitting the things he was hooked on. He's not that far removed from it and still trying to pick up the pieces of his life and stay clean. This kind of thing should be lauded, supported, not met with scorn. Everyone is human and everyone is capable of fucking up. He's trying to get his life straight and you're coming at him with some bullshit about how he brought it on himself. Sorry if that pisses me off.

 

[nefertiti]

meh, I'm checking out of this thread. I'm super stressed and overreacting.

 

[nangiggles]

Returning to the original issue, depression, adhd and all these you have mentioned can be caused by neurochemical imbalance, did your doctor run any blood work/test on you? or based on your speech and actions did she decide this and put you on them?

I have noticed that a LOT of people in America take stuff like Paxil, Xanax, cymbalta, Zoloft, Valium, etc many of these pills are designed to help fill the neurochemical gap that your brain is UNABLE to do on it's own (regardless of the reason) and it sincerely disgusts me to know that fellow mental health practitioners prescribe them WITHOUT properly testing if you indeed have that physical issue, what if a patient doesnt have it and you are giving them the pills? the consequences are really strong, neuro receptors can't be fucked with and once they are scared ur pretty much fucked.***end of rant

If you're Dr prescribed them after doing tests that it means you're body needs these things for you to function correctly and you should NOT go off the pills, if they did not test you than please find a new doctor and run by them the consequences and feelings that have happened with taking the medication, if the little ass munch doesnt test you either that at least have them be open minded to prescribe you different things until you find the one that helps you cope better and be a functional productive person

 

[needtogetarmy]

Returning to the original issue, depression, adhd and all these you have mentioned can be caused by neurochemical imbalance, did your doctor run any blood work/test on you? or based on your speech and actions did she decide this and put you on them?

I have noticed that a LOT of people in America take stuff like Paxil, Xanax, cymbalta, Zoloft, Valium, etc many of these pills are designed to help fill the neurochemical gap that your brain is UNABLE to do on it's own (regardless of the reason) and it sincerely disgusts me to know that fellow mental health practitioners prescribe them WITHOUT properly testing if you indeed have that physical issue, what if a patient doesnt have it and you are giving them the pills? the consequences are really strong, neuro receptors can't be fucked with and once they are scared ur pretty much fucked.***end of rant

If you're Dr prescribed them after doing tests that it means you're body needs these things for you to function correctly and you should NOT go off the pills, if they did not test you than please find a new doctor and run by them the consequences and feelings that have happened with taking the medication, if the little ass munch doesnt test you either that at least have them be open minded to prescribe you different things until you find the one that helps you cope better and be a functional productive person

American culture wants a fast food fix for everything. Pill popping is a huge problem yet so many doctors do it. It is no wonder this nation is screwed up.

Darn, I am feeling a bit lethargic right now, time to hit up 200mg of test before I hit the gym tomorrow lol

 

[bigtravis]

Prior to getting clean and going to rehab, I was on zero medication for anything.

In the last few months a psych diagnosed me with ADHD, mild depression and obsessive disorder. So now he has me on Vyvanse (ADHD), Pristiq/Cymbalta (SNRI's) and Seroquel (anti-psychotic/sleep). All these medications he's warned me I might have to be on lifelong. This pisses me off, not buying the scripts/travel to the doc, but the fact that my brain might be clowded for the rest of my life. While the meds are somewhat helping (vyvanse), the seroquel is knocking me out and I can't even tell a diff on the Cymbalta/Pristiq.

Should I tell my doc that the anti-d's don't seem to be doing much? If they don't seem to be working than maybe my anxiety/depression is just normal behavior.

I don't want medicines to change the way I am for life or give me an altered personality/mindset

How long have you been on the anti-d's? Maybe Celexa would work for you. The Seroquel I took for a while. Didn't like it. Im on Geodon now and love it with the Celexa. I take Ativans throughout the day too for anxiety also. Total peace bro. But everybody's different

 

[samoth]

How long have you been on the anti-d's? Maybe Celexa would work for you. The Seroquel I took for a while. Didn't like it. Im on Geodon now and love it with the Celexa. I take Ativans throughout the day too for anxiety also. Total peace bro. But everybody's different

Exactly why OP should at minimum pick up a copy of the Merck manual or something that goes over all these drugs, their classifications, contraindications, etc. Even better would be a book on pharmacodynamics, depending on accessability. Hell, maybe a first-gen TCA from the 1950s would work. There's a lot of stuff out there that's not even commonly prescribed.

 

[nangiggles]

Exactly why OP should at minimum pick up a copy of the Merck manual or something that goes over all these drugs, their classifications, contraindications, etc. Even better would be a book on pharmacodynamics, depending on accessability. Hell, maybe a first-gen TCA from the 1950s would work. There's a lot of stuff out there that's not even commonly prescribed.

it's a true failure when the PATIENT has to pick up a book and educate themselves because a Dr is failing to evaluate and prescribe things properly.... dont get me wrong it's good to educate yourself on what you take and the alternatives to that medication but I still blame the Dr for not following up on the treatment's effectiveness as well...

 

[samoth]

it's a true failure when the PATIENT has to pick up a book and educate themselves because a Dr is failing to evaluate and prescribe things properly.... dont get me wrong it's good to educate yourself on what you take and the alternatives to that medication but I still blame the Dr for not following up on the treatment's effectiveness as well...

What? What the doc would say to a person would be completely foreign without a certain amount of a priori knowledge. The doc doesn't exist to give you years of lecture series... that's the patient's responsibility.

You don't need a MD/PhD to talk to a doc, but most patients are too ignorant to say anything besides "yes sir" or "no sir". It's no different than learning about your car or favorite sport and knowing WTF you're talking about when you're at the mechanic or bar.

 

[puddlemonkey]

lambrah, you'd probably be less depressed if you listened to ManowaR.

 

[jnevin]

I like you samote, but you're being a bit of a prick here.

 

[jnevin]

lambrah, you'd probably be less depressed if you listened to ManowaR.

Or if you saw a picture of yourself beside a picture of puds.

 

[redshirt27se]

I like you samote, but you're being a bit of a prick here.

He makes a decent point regardless of how it comes across.

 

[puddlemonkey]

I like you samote, but you're being a bit of a prick here.

I wouldn't say prick. Blunt, yes. He's always been that way though. I like his brutal honesty.

 

[jnevin]

I wouldn't say prick. Blunt, yes. He's always been that way though. I like his brutal honesty.

I think there's a difference between being blunt and being dismissive. Like Nef said, Lambrony_Romaorris is doing what he has to in order to pick up the pieces and get his life back on track. I doubt any of us here have gone through what he has, and when I was at my worst, I would have listened to anything someone trusted like a doc would say could help me get better. He came here asking for help and advice, not to be told he was foolish for trusting a doc instead of google to figure out what the right thing for him to do is.

 

[puddlemonkey]

I think there's a difference between being blunt and being dismissive. Like Nef said, Lambrony_Romaorris is doing what he has to in order to pick up the pieces and get his life back on track. I doubt any of us here have gone through what he has, and when I was at my worst, I would have listened to anything someone trusted like a doc would say could help me get better. He came here asking for help and advice, not to be told he was foolish for trusting a doc instead of google to figure out what the right thing for him to do is.

lol@Lambrony_Romaorris


Being a little forward myself I guess I didn't really see anything offensive about his posts.



I do wish lamster the best

 

[samoth]

I think there's a difference between being blunt and being dismissive. ... and when I was at my worst...

Maybe that's the problem there. I've never been "at my worst". I've never gone through addiction or mental problems. I'm not part of your club.

Frankly, I don't give a fuck about your 12-step empathetic hand-holding bullshit. I never shot up smack, I never got drunk and beat anyone, I've never ruined my life or anyone else's. And I'm not your fucking shrink. I'm an anonymous internet moniker responding to a poast about pharma use, not your personal issues. If my offhand statement that people have the capability to fuck themselves up permanently and need to stay on pharmas ad infinitum offends your type so much, you really do need to spend moar time with your shrinks.

Jesus fucking christ.

 

[shirlene29]

I actually wasn't offended until..now...
and even sort of got what you were saying


thats a bit overboard, no samoth? why even bother to post in the thread if you "don't give a fuck about [the] 12-step empathetic hand-holding bullshit"
and not everyone that has had addiction problems has ruined their own or anyone elses life or even "hit bottom"

theres no reason to get nasty

 

[samoth]

I actually wasn't offended until..now...
and even sort of got what you were saying


thats a bit overboard, no samoth? why even bother to post in the thread if you "don't give a fuck about [the] 12-step empathetic hand-holding bullshit"
and not everyone that has had addiction problems has ruined their own or anyone elses life or even "hit bottom"

theres no reason to get nasty

The OP was about drugs. I work in the drug industry, so I chimed in. This is C&C, not their New Beginnings board. My apologies for mistaking a pitymememe thread for one of substance and information.

I don't troll Jnev threads crying about people I know who lost their houses when he's just trying to explain how mortgage processes work, so I guess I'm just really surprised at how personal this thread got by the mememe'ers who didn't even address the OP. I don't care who hit bottom; that wasn't even close to what the OP was talking about.

Since this is a pity thread, sorry. My mistake. I'll step out, too.

 

[shirlene29]

so you personalized it because you work within the pharmaceutical industry but got pissed or surprised when someone else personalized it from the addiction angle?

let me reitterate...I got your original point even if it wasn't eloquent and I am sure others did too including the OP...what I don't get is why you're reaching for below the belt at this point.

 

[samoth]

so you personalized it because you work within the pharmaceutical industry but got pissed or surprised when someone else personalized it from the addiction angle?

let me reitterate...I got your original point even if it wasn't eloquent and I am sure others did too including the OP...what I don't get is why you're reaching for below the belt at this point.

Re-read the thread. I'm happy to debate, but don't ad hom me then expect moar empathy for your case, lol. If my counterargument starts with "hey cunt", then it's pretty much lost, wouldn't you agree?

BTW, feel free to bring this thread back to the original topic of drugs.

 

[nangiggles]

What? What the doc would say to a person would be completely foreign without a certain amount of a priori knowledge. The doc doesn't exist to give you years of lecture series... that's the patient's responsibility.

You don't need a MD/PhD to talk to a doc, but most patients are too ignorant to say anything besides "yes sir" or "no sir". It's no different than learning about your car or favorite sport and knowing WTF you're talking about when you're at the mechanic or bar.

As I said I agree people need to educate themselves on their conditions and possible treatments when diagnosed with an issue, HOWEVER, as the OP stated what the Dr gave him is NOT working well A. Im pretty sure the Dr did not make proper tests and based on an interview just medicated him and B. has not or did not even attempt to make a follow up visit to check if the medication is working or not, what I meant to say in my previous post is that it is truly sad when people have to go online and read up on all sorts of medication because the Dr FAILED to do it correctly due to a poor diagnostic evaluation and non existent follow up.

 

[samoth]

As I said I agree people need to educate themselves on their conditions and possible treatments when diagnosed with an issue, HOWEVER, as the OP stated what the Dr gave him is NOT working well A. Im pretty sure the Dr did not make proper tests and based on an interview just medicated him and B. has not or did not even attempt to make a follow up visit to check if the medication is working or not, what I meant to say in my previous post is that it is truly sad when people have to go online and read up on all sorts of medication because the Dr FAILED to do it correctly due to a poor diagnostic evaluation and non existent follow up.

I addressed trying new drugs/docs in my first poast in this thread.

Tests show little due to unknown mechanisms of the drugs.

Hmm... what I'm trying to say is that if you don't like your mechanic, and all you can say is "IDK, like it rattles like this! *hmmmmhmhmhmhmrrrmrmrmrrrrmmm VRUM VRUM hmmmrmrmrmrmrm* See?! It only does that sometimes, though, and not right now. But fix it!", you're simply not going to get what you want. Your options are A) find another mechanic, or B) learn to talk on the mechanic's level. The mechanic can't talk intelligently to someone who's car knowlege ends at opening the gas cap and making engine noises. Is it the mechanic's job to spend 6 hours explaining how the engine works? Is the mechanic a failure here because he couldn't recognize and properly diagnose "mhmhmrmrmrVRUMrummhmrmrmrmr"? Now extrapolate to doctor-patient relationships...

 

[nangiggles]

I addressed trying new drugs/docs in my first poast in this thread.

Tests show little due to unknown mechanisms of the drugs.

Hmm... what I'm trying to say is that if you don't like your mechanic, and all you can say is "IDK, like it rattles like this! *hmmmmhmhmhmhmrrrmrmrmrrrrmmm VRUM VRUM hmmmrmrmrmrmrm* See?! It only does that sometimes, though, and not right now. But fix it!", you're simply not going to get what you want. Your options are A) find another mechanic, or B) learn to talk on the mechanic's level. The mechanic can't talk intelligently to someone who's car knowlege ends at opening the gas cap and making engine noises. Is it the mechanic's job to spend 6 hours explaining how the engine works? Is the mechanic a failure here because he couldn't recognize and properly diagnose "mhmhmrmrmrVRUMrummhmrmrmrmr"? Now extrapolate to doctor-patient relationships...

If you dont know shit bout mechanics and u just hear a rattle you take it to a good mechanic who even though doesnt know WTF you are talking about should be able to know at least the basics (like where it's coming from and based on that determine the parts involved and what might cause it, based on that information they start testing things, now extrapolate to doctor patient

If a patient comes to me saying they dont feel right and sometimes they're just no happy then I interview them, get a chart going on their personal and medical history, based on those and other resources I send for tests, blood work, pet scans, etc to see if there is a physical issue going on, I dont understand how the fuck psychiatrists are allowed to prescribe pills that compensate neurochemical imbalances WITHOUT proving there is an imbalance to begin with!!! you cant just gon their story....

If the mechanic hears the problem near the X part and determines that it MIGHT sound like changing the oil will fix it but based on the fact you mentioned you live near a hill you should get a high viscocity oil to address your needs without knowing this is a fact then they will fuck up your engine, same thing happens with a brain you cant ASSUME the neuroreceptors arent catching or producing enough X substance you have to KNOW otherwise you are doing MORE damage than there really is, that is my point here.... and even if they did do tests there always has to be a follow up visit to determine if the treatment is actually working, there is a reason there are dozens of pills for a single treatment, because we dont all respond the same to it, otherwise there would be just the one magical effective pill..... so what I am trying to say and have been trying to say since my original post is that if you did not have tests run and you got medicated based on an interview and/or your doctor had no interest in scheduling a follow up visit to see your progress then you have a careless doctor and you should look for a new physician and a new treatment.

 

[samoth]

Can you link me to the tests done for neurotransmitter function? I'm curious.

 

[nangiggles]

I really need to get licensed and show all these fucking "Dr" how it should really be done *sigh*

Lambruh I would advise to asses which medication from the ones you are taking now definitely work and which doesnt, if possible read up on other medications for the same treatment and look for key factors that may or may not affect their performance based on your history, such as high blood pressure, liver damage, etc that way you can have alternate treatment ideas when visiting your doctor, however due to strange Dr ego try not to sound too educated otherwise they will think you are faking it to score pills or a hypocondriac, you may also google the name of the pill you are taking along with the word "instead" or "compared" and it will show you alternative medication

 

[nefertiti]

nm

 

[puddlemonkey]

Checking back in?




Wanna talk about the Jets?

 

[redshirt27se]

nm

 

[nangiggles]

Can you link me to the tests done for neurotransmitter function? I'm curious.

There are a several evaluation forms in which you can test, some more invasive than others, the most common ones are cerebral spinal fluid, blood (plasma/serum/platelet) and even urine, however, neurotransmitters don't cross the blood brain barrier therefore the blood and urine tests while useful are less reliable yet have proven to be a useful tool before treatment for diagnosis and after treatment to evaluate effectiveness of treatment (even medicaid covers the urine test)

 

[nangiggles]

Can you link me to the tests done for neurotransmitter function? I'm curious.

I can show you bitches riding it and whoring it down as a simple test

Neurotransmitter Test and Amino Acid Optimization Therapy

It's not a magic diagnostic wand as they are painting it to be but you catch my drift.... wish serious evaluations were handled in a serious way..... but one can only dream....

 

[jackangel]

sorry lambruh, but your needs will have to take a back seat. whatever you do, just remember that you can always keep learning and seeking, and NEVER simply accept what a person says, doctor or not.

right now, we have to decide exactly how much of a misanthropic asshole samoth is.

thank you for understanding.

 

[jackangel]

nm

 

[redshirt27se]

nm

 

[nefertiti]

redshirt -

You're right and I deleted it. That said, given what I know of his personal ties to this kind of thing, I cannot fathom how he can be so unemotional and detached. He throws out references to our group and support system with a flippancy that is honestly 100% shocking to me. I actually physically cannot on any level comprehend having that level of "I don't give a fuck."

I said i was checking out and I still am. I'm baffled but I'm not gonna debate. It is what it is.

 

[puddlemonkey]

I actually physically cannot fathom having that level of "I don't give a fuck."

it comes with the penis

 

[nefertiti]

it comes with the penis

Then I'm damn glad I'm a woman. I'll pass on detachment and cynicism.

 

[redshirt27se]

INTJ? needs to work on bringing out a little more "F"

 

[ortiz34]

Ok, now I'm lost

 

[Lambruh]

Maybe that's the problem there. I've never been "at my worst". I've never gone through addiction or mental problems. I'm not part of your club.

Frankly, I don't give a fuck about your 12-step empathetic hand-holding bullshit. I never shot up smack, I never got drunk and beat anyone, I've never ruined my life or anyone else's. And I'm not your fucking shrink. I'm an anonymous internet moniker responding to a poast about pharma use, not your personal issues. If my offhand statement that people have the capability to fuck themselves up permanently and need to stay on pharmas ad infinitum offends your type so much, you really do need to spend moar time with your shrinks.

Jesus fucking christ.

it's cool bro, I get where ur coming from and I hear it from my parents and "friends" to, how the fuck WOULD anyone understand why someone would intravaneously blow some brown powder from a dirty ass spoon in their veings? ITS SICK! But believe it or not there actually is a club for peeps like you that can somewhat understand an addicts mindset, it's called al-anon

the story is, in short, I doped on scripts of percs for like a half year straight then went to smack for a few months real hard, this hasn't been a life long binge. Luckily I just caught myself before I died

truth is i've always been in denial of people, family, gf's telling me I should see a doc, i've been this way my whole life. Anxiety, up and down moods, non stop thinking of what i've done/what should've done, Just picture yourself counting every breath you take in the next hour, do that 4-5 hours a day, then swith to counting your steps you take the next 4-5 hours. That's what I thought was normal my whole life, except in dozens of different personal examples that branched offed into other thoughts. Sex, women, self-image, drugs, success, family, future, personality, pride, etc, it just switches for me. I just never really had the balls to be honest with myself and say "i'm not normal". It took me to the edge before I finally surrendered

While the doc is kinda doing a trial and erreor with me right now, he's strict as hell and has me going through all these tests, weekly blood work, checked my serotonin levels. He didn't just throw me on all these at once, it's been a "take this for a month, then we'll see" type deal. I've done my research on these meds, I just like to get some diff hands on opinions from peeps.

 

[samoth]

I can show you bitches riding it and whoring it down as a simple test

I was genuinely curious. I'm not familiar with such things, and don't know anything about them.

 

[samoth]

given what I know of his personal ties to this kind of thing, I cannot fathom how he can be so unemotional and detached.

Because I honestly thought this thread was about drugs and not you and your feelings. People like Jnev came in and started swinging, so I swung back.

I misinterpreted this thread. Sorry. It's now about your feelings.

Have a good turkey day! *gogglegobblegobble*

 

[nefertiti]

Because I honestly thought this thread was about drugs and not you and your feelings. People like Jnev came in and started swinging, so I swung back.

I misinterpreted this thread. Sorry. It's now about your feelings.

Have a good turkey day! *gogglegobblegobble*

Just because I had feelings about what you said doesn't mean it was "about" me, that's ridiculous and a cheap shot that serves zero purpose other than to sling mud.

 

[samoth]

Just because I had feelings about what you said doesn't mean it was "about" me, that's ridiculous and a cheap shot that serves zero purpose other than to sling mud.

Ever look at this thread from the viewpoint of someone who's absolutely not emotionally attached whatsoever and associates this subject with the corporate laboratory? Jeez. This thread isn't about either of us, so we should both STFU and eat turkey. The thread got killed many poasts ago, and yes, I'm fine with everyone blaming me and thinking I'm a horrible person/poaster.


*hands you a turkey wing*

 

[nangiggles]

it's cool bro, I get where ur coming from and I hear it from my parents and "friends" to, how the fuck WOULD anyone understand why someone would intravaneously blow some brown powder from a dirty ass spoon in their veings? ITS SICK! But believe it or not there actually is a club for peeps like you that can somewhat understand an addicts mindset, it's called al-anon

the story is, in short, I doped on scripts of percs for like a half year straight then went to smack for a few months real hard, this hasn't been a life long binge. Luckily I just caught myself before I died

truth is i've always been in denial of people, family, gf's telling me I should see a doc, i've been this way my whole life. Anxiety, up and down moods, non stop thinking of what i've done/what should've done, Just picture yourself counting every breath you take in the next hour, do that 4-5 hours a day, then swith to counting your steps you take the next 4-5 hours. That's what I thought was normal my whole life, except in dozens of different personal examples that branched offed into other thoughts. Sex, women, self-image, drugs, success, family, future, personality, pride, etc, it just switches for me. I just never really had the balls to be honest with myself and say "i'm not normal". It took me to the edge before I finally surrendered

While the doc is kinda doing a trial and erreor with me right now, he's strict as hell and has me going through all these tests, weekly blood work, checked my serotonin levels. He didn't just throw me on all these at once, it's been a "take this for a month, then we'll see" type deal. I've done my research on these meds, I just like to get some diff hands on opinions from peeps.

I am EXTREMELY happy to know this SPECIALLY the part where they give follow up to serotonin levels, you seem to have a good Dr just hang in there and try different medications until you find what's right for you bro

 

[75th]

Stay safe Lambruh. Hope things improve for you as you seem like a borheim who deserves nothing but good things.

 

[PICK3]

Ambien CR > C11H12N2O2

 

[IrightI]

Maybe that's the problem there. I've never been "at my worst". I've never gone through addiction or mental problems. I'm not part of your club.

Frankly, I don't give a fuck about your 12-step empathetic hand-holding bullshit.

humm, really? I'm glad that you do know of our New Beginnings group though Smote. I'll say that. But that said, "your not part of our club" as you admit. Being so, making a statment like this is quite offensive and, well, is just an absolute fallasy. It really shows how little you know about the 12 step programs, and if I was completely ignorant on a topic, I wouldn't belittle it in such a mannor.
FYI, there's a HELL of a lot more "asskicking" than "that's OK, you'll do better next time" crap. It's straight talk, from other addicts who know what the "empathetic " shit gets you, And that's more pain, and or dead. New Beginnings is an open group, all you have to do is drop by, I think that you may want to rethink your evualuation of our group. You can STILL not give a fuck, but atleast you'ld be informed.
TxB

 

[ricco561]

humm, really? I'm glad that you do know of our New Beginnings group though Smote. I'll say that. But that said, "your not part of our club" as you admit. Being so, making a statment like this is quite offensive and, well, is just an absolute fallasy. It really shows how little you know about the 12 step programs, and if I was completely ignorant on a topic, I wouldn't belittle it in such a mannor.
FYI, there's a HELL of a lot more "asskicking" than "that's OK, you'll do better next time" crap. It's straight talk, from other addicts who know what the "empathetic " shit gets you, And that's more pain, and or dead. New Beginnings is an open group, all you have to do is drop by, I think that you may want to rethink your evualuation of our group. You can STILL not give a fuck, but atleast you'ld be informed.
TxB

You must spread some Karma around (ie give karma to other members too) before giving it to IrightI again
So true, bro.