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drumandbass

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I have been decided for some time now to stay on Test for the foreseeable future...

I have done a couple cycles of Test only at 3/400 mg per week, and I have come to the realisation that for me, life is simply BETTER on Test. I will not qualify for HRT because I'm 28 and my natty levels are around 500... however the difference between being off and on are like night and day. When on Test, I sleep better, I have more energy in the day, I am more successful in my job, more productive and constructive in every aspect of my life, I have better relations with all those around me, my libido is significantly increased and I have more ZEST FOR LIFE!

I realise I am probably going to get shot down for this, but to me it would be INSANE not to choose a path where I feel so much happier and feel like I am making the most of everyday and my life. The thought of pinning 2 x week forever (or until Nebido is more widespread) is daunting, but the cons are totally outweighed by the pro's of having a much improved quality of life.

I will run 200mg of a long ester, going up to 5/600 for a 3/4 month summer cycle once a year. Really this is more a quality of life issue for me than a bodybuilding endeavour. What I would like to know is... is there any evidence that being on this dose of test (high dose TRT) can cause sexual dysfunction after a number of years? (The only way I can think of is by disrupting other hormonal systems such as Thyroid and Adrenal) I love sex, and I don't want to find myself impotent in 10 years :) I can't see 200mg of Test being anything other than GOOD for my libido, but I just want some opinions, maybe from some of those who have been on for a number of years. I also intend NEVER to run Deca or Tren.... I don't want to risk the sexual dysfunction these steroids can cause, and I certainly don't need them for my bodybulding goals... Test will always be enough for me.

Thanks for any help, and best wishes to you all.
 
drumandbass said:
I have been decided for some time now to stay on Test for the foreseeable future...

I have done a couple cycles of Test only at 3/400 mg per week, and I have come to the realisation that for me, life is simply BETTER on Test. I will not qualify for HRT because I'm 28 and my natty levels are around 500... however the difference between being off and on are like night and day. When on Test, I sleep better, I have more energy in the day, I am more successful in my job, more productive and constructive in every aspect of my life, I have better relations with all those around me, my libido is significantly increased and I have more ZEST FOR LIFE!

I realise I am probably going to get shot down for this, but to me it would be INSANE not to choose a path where I feel so much happier and feel like I am making the most of everyday and my life. The thought of pinning 2 x week forever (or until Nebido is more widespread) is daunting, but the cons are totally outweighed by the pro's of having a much improved quality of life.

I will run 200mg of a long ester, going up to 5/600 for a 3/4 month summer cycle once a year. Really this is more a quality of life issue for me than a bodybuilding endeavour. What I would like to know is... is there any evidence that being on this dose of test (high dose TRT) can cause sexual dysfunction after a number of years? (The only way I can think of is by disrupting other hormonal systems such as Thyroid and Adrenal) I love sex, and I don't want to find myself impotent in 10 years :) I can't see 200mg of Test being anything other than GOOD for my libido, but I just want some opinions, maybe from some of those who have been on for a number of years. I also intend NEVER to run Deca or Tren.... I don't want to risk the sexual dysfunction these steroids can cause, and I certainly don't need them for my bodybulding goals... Test will always be enough for me.

Thanks for any help, and best wishes to you all.
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Every point of yours is taken bro...accepted...only i wish you were 34 or above instead...

Best luck nevertheless :heart:
 
the only problem i see is your natty levels are 500. so why not go with that? that level is fine. you can run short cycles for the next 10 years and with proper PCT and recovery times not have to worry.

also just cause you inject twice a week testosterone doesn't mean you will feel good forever. a guy on here put up a thread saying he went on HRT for 9 months. his test levels actually were lower then before and his sperm count was zero. now he wants to come off and do a PCT.. its gonna be a rough recovery for him.

so i dont want you to do something and then in 9 months regret it.
 
I agree, I dont think you should do this man. Have you looked at alternatives?

I have found that taking a scoop or two of NO Explode in the morning on an empty stomach gives me plenty of energy for whatever I have to do, plus if I am in a cutting phase throwing in come Chlen just makes me wanna go off the wall. So if energy is your problem try that. I wouldn't advocate doing Test forever, there are long term side effects that we might not know off and you don't want your body to completely shut down.
 
stevesmi said:
the only problem i see is your natty levels are 500. so why not go with that? that level is fine. you can run short cycles for the next 10 years and with proper PCT and recovery times not have to worry.

also just cause you inject twice a week testosterone doesn't mean you will feel good forever. a guy on here put up a thread saying he went on HRT for 9 months. his test levels actually were lower then before and his sperm count was zero. now he wants to come off and do a PCT.. its gonna be a rough recovery for him.

so i dont want you to do something and then in 9 months regret it.
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Thanks for the input, the guy you mention, his Test levels came out lower than they were before? So obviously his natty test shut down, and his TRT wasn't high enough dose to get him up in the high range... thats probably why he felt like shit?

I realise my levels are in range at 500... but that really doesn't make any difference when it is clear that ON test I feel like a blooming tree and OFF test I feel like a half-assed flower :D
 
im on high HRT dose year round when not on cycle.
i like it.
 
drumandbass said:
Thanks for the input, the guy you mention, his Test levels came out lower than they were before? So obviously his natty test shut down, and his TRT wasn't high enough dose to get him up in the high range... thats probably why he felt like shit?

I realise my levels are in range at 500... but that really doesn't make any difference when it is clear that ON test I feel like a blooming tree and OFF test I feel like a half-assed flower :D
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he never updated us. his name was full metal jacket or something like that. you can do a search for his thread.

also he was going through a clinic he said, so it wasn't like the stuff he was getting was no good.

i agree with you that it sucks to go on and off but do you really want to shut yourself down this young when ur levels are at 500? why not milk that for a few years and then consider it
 
If you've made the choice then live with it. Make sure you get a full blood test panel at least every 6 months (every 3 months would be better). Keeps your doc informed on your choice to do so. Buy a blood pressure checking device and check every week. I personally dont think its the right choice considering your age. I wonder if youre doing this under the supervision of an Endo or just a rejuvenation clinic..... best of luck.
 
caribeman said:
If you've made the choice then live with it. Make sure you get a full blood test panel at least every 6 months (every 3 months would be better). Keeps your doc informed on your choice to do so. Buy a blood pressure checking device and check every week. I personally dont think its the right choice considering your age. I wonder if youre doing this under the supervision of an Endo or just a rejuvenation clinic..... best of luck.
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Thanks for your advise friend. I would do everything in my powers to monitor and maintain good health...
 
Again, it really doesn't matter what my levels are to me.... I just don't wanna spend half the year feeling less than good when I could spend all year feeling a lot better. I would honestly rather live 5 years less, but live a better quality of life.

Saw palmetto for prostate, HCG + HMG for fertility, I already eat a very clean nutritious diet, a lot of oily fish, a lot of veg, no refined foods... don't smoke, don't drink... no rec drugs.... I just think 200mg Test a week will not really be the massive health concern that it's sometimes made out to be...

Anyway, my original question... does long term Test replacement generally mean long term good libido? Or is there any mechanism by which it could eventually cause some type of sexual dysfunction?
 
Honestly it varies per person. I didnt experience any increase in libido at 250mg per week but did at 500mg per week. You can take all the test you want but if the female doesnt "push" your buttons aint gonna happen, at least for me.
 
Seems like a shame when you're young and healthy and capable of recovering naturally. And with products like BRIDGE, BIG BLAST, GEAR, HCGen and UNLEASHED, it's possible to grow and have a raging libido off cycle better than before.

AFter a couple of years, the HRT will seem normal and not as good as being on 500 mgs a week. Then what?
 
drumandbass said:
When on Test, I sleep better, I have more energy in the day, I am more successful in my job, more productive and constructive in every aspect of my life, I have better relations with all those around me, my libido is significantly increased and I have more ZEST FOR LIFE!

I realise I am probably going to get shot down for this, but to me it would be INSANE not to choose a path where I feel so much happier and feel like I am making the most of everyday and my life. The thought of pinning 2 x week forever (or until Nebido is more widespread) is daunting, but the cons are totally outweighed by the pro's of having a much improved quality of life.
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drumandbass said:
I have been decided for some time now to stay on Test for the foreseeable future...

I have done a couple cycles of Test only at 3/400 mg per week, and I have come to the realisation that for me, life is simply BETTER on Test. I will not qualify for HRT because I'm 28 and my natty levels are around 500... however the difference between being off and on are like night and day. When on Test, I sleep better, I have more energy in the day, I am more successful in my job, more productive and constructive in every aspect of my life, I have better relations with all those around me, my libido is significantly increased and I have more ZEST FOR LIFE!

I realise I am probably going to get shot down for this, but to me it would be INSANE not to choose a path where I feel so much happier and feel like I am making the most of everyday and my life. The thought of pinning 2 x week forever (or until Nebido is more widespread) is daunting, but the cons are totally outweighed by the pro's of having a much improved quality of life.

I will run 200mg of a long ester, going up to 5/600 for a 3/4 month summer cycle once a year. Really this is more a quality of life issue for me than a bodybuilding endeavour. What I would like to know is... is there any evidence that being on this dose of test (high dose TRT) can cause sexual dysfunction after a number of years? (The only way I can think of is by disrupting other hormonal systems such as Thyroid and Adrenal) I love sex, and I don't want to find myself impotent in 10 years :) I can't see 200mg of Test being anything other than GOOD for my libido, but I just want some opinions, maybe from some of those who have been on for a number of years. I also intend NEVER to run Deca or Tren.... I don't want to risk the sexual dysfunction these steroids can cause, and I certainly don't need them for my bodybulding goals... Test will always be enough for me.

Thanks for any help, and best wishes to you all.
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I'm proud of your decision. :)

I myself am on permanent test, and I love it..

I wouldn't say the 200mgs a week is too high, nor do I feel you're at risk of sexual dysfunction..

at 100mgs of cypionate/enanthate a week, you are "natural"; 200 will be a slight boost..

My hrt has me on 400mgs every 10 days, currently.. and my endo feels this dose is fine for me, even long term. :)

I have cycled before.. but it's blasting and cruising from now on for me..
 
ArmaniAK47 said:
I'm proud of your decision. :)

I myself am on permanent test, and I love it..

I wouldn't say the 200mgs a week is too high, nor do I feel you're at risk of sexual dysfunction..

at 100mgs of cypionate/enanthate a week, you are "natural"; 200 will be a slight boost..

My hrt has me on 400mgs every 10 days, currently.. and my endo feels this dose is fine for me, even long term. :)

I have cycled before.. but it's blasting and cruising from now on for me..
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Awesome, glad to hear you are having success :)

Do you mind me asking your age and how long you have been on Test now?

Any thing else I should know before I embark upon my new life?!
 
Nelson Montana said:
Seems like a shame when you're young and healthy and capable of recovering naturally. And with products like BRIDGE, BIG BLAST, GEAR, HCGen and UNLEASHED, it's possible to grow and have a raging libido off cycle better than before.

AFter a couple of years, the HRT will seem normal and not as good as being on 500 mgs a week. Then what?
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Nelson, if TRT will seem 'normal' after a couple of years, then it seems strange how most people report having a vastly improved quality of life after years on TRT...

The bottom line is, I wanna be living the rest of my life with nicely elevated Testosterone levels... I don't mean crazy high.
 
drumandbass said:
Awesome, glad to hear you are having success :)

Do you mind me asking your age and how long you have been on Test now?

Any thing else I should know before I embark upon my new life?!
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I have been on HRT for about two years..

I started with androgel 5g/day.. then Test cypionate 200mgs every 2 weeks.. then 400mgs every 2 weeks.. and now 400mgs every 10 days..

I, myself, didn't feel that great until the 400mgs every 2 weeks.. But felt "good" and "fine" before then.

I am also quite young to be on HRT, so an older person may feel much better than I did starting out.

I would ask you to look into blasting and cruising.. and hGH..

Before too long I may add hGH to my hrt.. and if it does well for me make it a permanent facet..

It was a big choice to make.. but I decided I wanted to be "more than human" my entire life..... and I will be. :)
 
Hey Drumandbass,

I can completely see where you're coming from on this, and while I agree with many on here that you are somewhat young to be starting this journey, I respect your choice greatly to define the kind of life you want.

And I'm also very glad to hear that you'll be monitoring your health and not just going gungho about it. I would strongly suggest finding a doc who would be willing to walk this road with you. There are many aspects of your system that you'll need to monitor (prostate, cholesterol, blood pressure, fertility, high red blood cell count, etc) if you plan to be on these supraphysiological doses and he can help you keep track of those.

Best of luck!
 
caribeman said:
Honestly it varies per person. I didnt experience any increase in libido at 250mg per week but did at 500mg per week. You can take all the test you want but if the female doesnt "push" your buttons aint gonna happen, at least for me.
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So true I'm not always horny 247 while on usually just in the mornings and after a workout but being near a girl get's me going even just sitting on the couch watching tv I feel like a lion stalking an antelope ;)
 
redboy said:
Hey Drumandbass,

I can completely see where you're coming from on this, and while I agree with many on here that you are somewhat young to be starting this journey, I respect your choice greatly to define the kind of life you want.

And I'm also very glad to hear that you'll be monitoring your health and not just going gungho about it. I would strongly suggest finding a doc who would be willing to walk this road with you. There are many aspects of your system that you'll need to monitor (prostate, cholesterol, blood pressure, fertility, high red blood cell count, etc) if you plan to be on these supraphysiological doses and he can help you keep track of those.

Best of luck!
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Thankyou, I appreciate the good wishes :)
 
ArmaniAK47 said:
I have been on HRT for about two years..

I started with androgel 5g/day.. then Test cypionate 200mgs every 2 weeks.. then 400mgs every 2 weeks.. and now 400mgs every 10 days..

I, myself, didn't feel that great until the 400mgs every 2 weeks.. But felt "good" and "fine" before then.

I am also quite young to be on HRT, so an older person may feel much better than I did starting out.

I would ask you to look into blasting and cruising.. and hGH..

Before too long I may add hGH to my hrt.. and if it does well for me make it a permanent facet..

It was a big choice to make.. but I decided I wanted to be "more than human" my entire life..... and I will be. :)
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Thanks for the info. Yes I will most like likely blast for one 'cycle' per year, in the summer months. I want to try to be careful not to get myself to used to higher doses though... I suppose as Nelson alluded to, in order to keep myself 'happy' at 200/250mg per week. Perhaps for 3 months or so I will just up the Test dose by 2/300mg and add in a little Masteron or Primo.
 
drumandbass said:
Thanks for the info. Yes I will most like likely blast for one 'cycle' per year, in the summer months. I want to try to be careful not to get myself to used to higher doses though... I suppose as Nelson alluded to, in order to keep myself 'happy' at 200/250mg per week. Perhaps for 3 months or so I will just up the Test dose by 2/300mg and add in a little Masteron or Primo.
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Sounds like a plan. :)

I would do something similar, but I want to be far above natural..

So numerous blasts/cruises.. higher doses etc.

As someone said though, having a doctor watch over you would be an excellent move.. I myself have a very experienced one.
 
I love how I feel on 500mg test ew. I just feel good. I'll get in my car and take a drive and feel totally relaxed. I just have this calm kinda lion-like feeling.

I'm a relaxed guy in general and fairly confident in myself about a few things, but when on test I kinda feel like "the man". Not in an aggressive or cheesy way, just relaxed and confident.

Doesn't hurt that I like putting in a hard workout and feeling like I didn't even workout within minute after vs feeling the effects for hours after when off.

Not only is quality of life a big factor, but just how big and/or cut you want to be at all times has to be taken into account. If you cycle 1-2x a year it'll help you gain faster during those periods of time, but at some point you're gonna be stuck on how big and strong you can be because you can't maintain that excess size on natural hormone levels.

It's a serious decision. I'm coming to that point and I'm only a few years older, but I've already decided I want to be one bad motherfuckin 40/50/60 year old dude lol.
 
drumandbass said:
Nelson, if TRT will seem 'normal' after a couple of years, then it seems strange how most people report having a vastly improved quality of life after years on TRT...

The bottom line is, I wanna be living the rest of my life with nicely elevated Testosterone levels... I don't mean crazy high.
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People report improved quality of life after having experienced low T and then get it back with HRT. Your T is 500 naturally , which is fine.
 
stevesmi said:
the only problem i see is your natty levels are 500. so why not go with that? that level is fine. you can run short cycles for the next 10 years and with proper PCT and recovery times not have to worry.

also just cause you inject twice a week testosterone doesn't mean you will feel good forever. a guy on here put up a thread saying he went on HRT for 9 months. his test levels actually were lower then before and his sperm count was zero. now he wants to come off and do a PCT.. its gonna be a rough recovery for him.

so i dont want you to do something and then in 9 months regret it.
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Stevesmi,
Thanks for sharing the story of the guy whose sperm count is zero. It's important for all of us to be reminded of this from time to time.

I agree with your suggestions regarding the OP of this thread.

Check out this link though: Low-Dose Human Chorionic Gonadotropin Maintains Intratesticular Testosterone in Normal Men with Testosterone-Induced Gonadotropin Suppression -- Coviello et al. 90 (5): 2595 -- Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism

It's an interesting article regarding HCG and sperm production.
 
ghettostudmuffin said:
Not everyone experiences insomnia or anxiety with high t levels.

I no I don't.
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ur lucky.. on my test cycle I would not be capable of sleeping more then 4 hours straight.. and I was HOT all the time. to make up for it i had to take naps during the day.

i believe this insomnia cost me gains.
 
stevesmi said:
ur lucky.. on my test cycle I would not be capable of sleeping more then 4 hours straight.. and I was HOT all the time. to make up for it i had to take naps during the day.

i believe this insomnia cost me gains.
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That's interesting.

On my first cycle (completed 4 weeks ago), I slept better and was generally calmer than off cycle.

By the way Stevesmi, did you use HCG or HMG at all on the past cycle which you are struggling to recover from?
 
Discreet User said:
That's interesting.

On my first cycle (completed 4 weeks ago), I slept better and was generally calmer than off cycle.

By the way Stevesmi, did you use HCG or HMG at all on the past cycle which you are struggling to recover from?
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I used hcgenerate which kept my balls. did not start hcg till PCT. next time around gonna run hcg..
 
On the contrary, Stevesmi; many people report insomnia and anxiety as symptoms when they are LOW Testosterone...

I know I certainly felt that way when low test...
 
I feel like a champ on 500mg test a week. There is a very noticeable difference for me compared to 250 ew which I have run as well.

I sleep better and feel calmer in general. I recover WAAAAY the fuck faster from training and my protein utilization goes up a cubic assload. I get routine daily farts eating 200-250grams protein when natural. Hell a meal with 50grams protein will give me a couple nasty ones.

On 500mg ew I could probably eat 400grams protein a day np.

The only noticeable sides I have gotten off 500mg test is that I do sweat a little bit at night, but not while I sleep. This is probably the high androgen level and typically occurs around the shoulders/upper chest. Doesn't particularly bother me. I also keep an eye on my salt intake and try not to consume caffeine more than once a day. That's about it.
 
ghettostudmuffin said:
I feel like a champ on 500mg test a week. There is a very noticeable difference for me compared to 250 ew which I have run as well.

I sleep better and feel calmer in general. I recover WAAAAY the fuck faster from training and my protein utilization goes up a cubic assload. I get routine daily farts eating 200-250grams protein when natural. Hell a meal with 50grams protein will give me a couple nasty ones.

On 500mg ew I could probably eat 400grams protein a day np.

The only noticeable sides I have gotten off 500mg test is that I do sweat a little bit at night, but not while I sleep. This is probably the high androgen level and typically occurs around the shoulders/upper chest. Doesn't particularly bother me. I also keep an eye on my salt intake and try not to consume caffeine more than once a day. That's about it.
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This is an interesting point.

I also suffer from minor digestive issues, such as sensitivity to dairy.

However, these symptoms lessened while on 400mg Test Cyp per week. And I was even able to consume more dairy.
 
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