BP disaster triggering end of world event?

[75th]

Doomsday: How BP Gulf disaster may have triggered a world-killing event - by Terrence Aym - Helium

I usually dont buy into these doomsday type scenarios, but this is fucked up.

Most disturbing of all: Methane levels in the water are now calculated as being almost one million times higher than normal.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

Well it's always been said that mankind would destroy the world. Never thought it could be through non-war means though. Or at least according to the odds.

 

[cindylou]

bummer

 

[redsamurai]

It sounds like what the article is suggesting is that the very moment one of those drills pierced the crust it was over. Like the spill is sort of a side effect of having drilled there in the first place.

 

[twenty47]

on the topic of the methane levels. ive been hearing about this alot. idk if anyone listens to coast to coast but thats a big topic on there. saying the whole golf could explode and shit and supposably the government already has a code name for the event and are planning how to get everyone out. dudes are saying the government is buying up hotel rooms left and right north of the golf just incase.

 

[redsamurai]

In any case.....it's doomsday for the gulf economy. That methane can't be "skimmed".....no fish from the gulf will be edible for decades if not longer.

 

[jaybois]

2 nights a week on coasttocoastam.com different experts in their specific fields make a play for different end world scenarios related to the bp oil disasters!

 

[BlueBird]

Missile Base Properties for Sale

I'm thinking the Titan 1 site in Denver. Anyone wanna go halfsies with me?

 

[EnderJE]

Given that the world is going to end, I think that two posters should admit the sexual chemistry with each other and how their hate words are just a cover for the truth.

 

[puddlemonkey]

saying the whole golf could explode and shit and supposably the government already has a code name for the event and are planning how to get everyone out. dudes are saying the government is buying up hotel rooms left and right north of the golf just incase.

lol@golf

 

[75th]

olololol

 

[75th]

Missile Base Properties for Sale

I'm thinking the Titan 1 site in Denver. Anyone wanna go halfsies with me?

In!

 

[mrplunkey]

Barry is causing more damage to America than the gulf disaster could ever produce.

 

[binö]

In any case.....it's doomsday for the gulf economy. That methane can't be "skimmed".....no fish from the gulf will be edible for decades if not longer.

i was reading a sciency article that was talking about how the gulf has always had high amounts of petro in it...from fissures in the crust.
plants and some small animals have adapted to it and actually collect near the cracks in the sea floor to soak up the petro.
so maybe it's not as apocalyptic as we think

 

[ExtraMile]

media hype alert

 

[bakemeacookie]

anyone wana put money on it

c

 

[digimon7068]

question...they've been doing controlled burns for a few weeks now...if the methane (and other explosive gas) levels are really that high, how come none of these controlled burns turned into out-of-control burns??

 

[billfred]

Doomsday: How BP Gulf disaster may have triggered a world-killing event - by Terrence Aym - Helium

I usually dont buy into these doomsday type scenarios, but this is fucked up.

75th - you are one of the smartest dudes here but this, just like the ocean floor collapsing is one of the dumbest articles I have ever seen.

I don't have the numbers, but the earth emmits 1,000x more methane every day in the ocean naturally. It is so large, that they think if they can figure out how to mine methane hydrates, it can give us an almost unlimmted amount of energy

DOE - Fossil Energy: DOE's Methane Hydrate R&D Program

The amount of Gas BP is releasing into the ocean is miniscule in comparison. They think BP is releasing in the range of 50,000 mcfd of gas. That is less gas than one small suburb of Chicago burns a day during the winter. In addition, most of the gas is being collected and flared on the surface.

AND - ultimately, as this field is developed and gas is collected, it would, in theory, reduce the amount of gas that is naturally released in the ocean due to seaps.

If these nuckle heads really wanted to worry about something, it would be the amount of gas that could be released by these hydrates melting as "global warming" heats up the oceans temperatures around the world.

 

[75th]

Dammit Bill I'm a finance nerd not a scientist!

Plus the article made me picture that scene in Last Action Hero where the dude farts in the tar pits and the bubble almost explodes.

 

[ceo]

digi and bill, don't start trying to bring logic and reason into this thread!

 

[Cutiebaby]

Lmfao ^^^^

 

[billfred]

Dammit Bill I'm a finance nerd not a scientist!

Plus the article made me picture that scene in Last Action Hero where the dude farts in the tar pits and the bubble almost explodes.

lol

 

[Strongbow]

Bill, why you only post in faggot ass threads like this one?

 

[AztecWarrior]

question...they've been doing controlled burns for a few weeks now...if the methane (and other explosive gas) levels are really that high, how come none of these controlled burns turned into out-of-control burns??

Will have to wait and see. I don't know the turn around it takes methane to oxidized, but it eventaully does on it's own. The scary part of it all is the half life of methane in the atmosphere being 7 years. BP really fucked us. The offshore drilling mess up is seriously effecting our country, which is already struggling to dig it's self out. Methane reactions are hard to control.

 

[billfred]

Will have to wait and see. I don't know the turn around it takes methane to oxidized, but it eventaully does on it's own. The scary part of it all is the half life of methane in the atmosphere being 7 years. BP really fucked us. The offshore drilling mess up is seriously effecting our country, which is already struggling to dig it's self out. Methane reactions are hard to control.

If you people only knew how much methane is being released in the atmoshpere every day in West Africa, I honestly don't think you would ever be able to sleep at night.

What a red herring this is turning out to be.

 

[Strongbow]

The Bible does not speak of the world being destroyed in this way, so it is all bullshit. Mankind will be dealt with when Jesus and The Chosen One feel that it is time. I will let you bishes know when the time is near.

 

[AztecWarrior]

75th - you are one of the smartest dudes here but this, just like the ocean floor collapsing is one of the dumbest articles I have ever seen.

I don't have the numbers, but the earth emmits 1,000x more methane every day in the ocean naturally. It is so large, that they think if they can figure out how to mine methane hydrates, it can give us an almost unlimmted amount of energy

DOE - Fossil Energy: DOE's Methane Hydrate R&D Program

The amount of Gas BP is releasing into the ocean is miniscule in comparison. They think BP is releasing in the range of 50,000 mcfd of gas. That is less gas than one small suburb of Chicago burns a day during the winter. In addition, most of the gas is being collected and flared on the surface.

AND - ultimately, as this field is developed and gas is collected, it would, in theory, reduce the amount of gas that is naturally released in the ocean due to seaps.

If these nuckle heads really wanted to worry about something, it would be the amount of gas that could be released by these hydrates melting as "global warming" heats up the oceans temperatures around the world.

You can't ignore it's harmful negative effects on our ocean ecosystem in the gulf. This shouldn't even be an issue for us. You're right naturally it's created below earth surfaces, but there isn't nothing natural about this offshore mistake, leaking extra methane into the gulf, even if it is minimal.

 

[cryptosporidium]

i say lets get this show on the road.. im tired of dicking around.

 

[redsamurai]

i was reading a sciency article that was talking about how the gulf has always had high amounts of petro in it...from fissures in the crust.
plants and some small animals have adapted to it and actually collect near the cracks in the sea floor to soak up the petro.
so maybe it's not as apocalyptic as we think

petro yes, but methane? I'm not buying the end of the world scenario but the dead methane zones...that is entirely feasible. Fish from the gulf are going to be disgusting for a long time.

 

[PICK3]

Want to know what else is releasing methane?

 

[javaguru]

LOL @ humans thinking a minor disaster they created will end life on this planet...typical human arrogance....Humanity will be destroyed by nature...not the other way around. This planet has pwned 99% of all species into extinction and all events that can end human life on this planet are cosmological and beyond human control.

 

[Scotsman]

Doomsday: How BP Gulf disaster may have triggered a world-killing event - by Terrence Aym - Helium

I usually dont buy into these doomsday type scenarios, but this is fucked up.

As someone with a geology degree and 9 years of experience in natural gas exploration and well testing all I have to say about that theory and article is:



BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

The sources are ridiculous in their inept and incomplete state. They are projecting crackpot unproved theories as factual data. Plus just the utter lackluster writing as far as scientific reporting goes is affable at best.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[ceo]

The Bible does not speak of the world being destroyed in this way, so it is all bullshit. Mankind will be dealt with when Jesus and The Chosen One feel that it is time. I will let you bishes know when the time is near.

You mean Lebron James?

 

[javaguru]

Scots...My brother from another mother...

You should have added that BP was approved for shallow water drilling by the state of LA but was forced into deep water drilling by fed regulation...the same regulators that were going to give the platform a safety award before the explosion....and we see legislators claiming more legislation is the answer? Shit happens...I'll predict human error as the culprit and we live in a world that can't exist without fossil fuels....If we didn't have fossil fuels we would have needed to invent them! Sorry to rant but I don't like hippies....

 

[Strongbow]

You mean Lebron James?

WTF

 

[redsamurai]

could you elaborate a little? I mean take one specific claim by the article and blow it up. You don't have to address the end of the world claim but the prospect of massive methane release seems to be pretty well backed. When I googled it there were alot of other sites that weren't claiming imminent apocalypse but were saying that the level of methane being released right now and the future potential for that release is unprecedented in the time of man. Basically they don't know what the ramifications will be but that it doesn't look good for the gulf. I didn't find any other site claiming an imminent seafloor cavein creating a 2012 like tsunami...but lots of people seem to be very concerned about what all that methane is going to do to the gulf ecosystem.

As someone with a geology degree and 9 years of experience in natural gas exploration and well testing all I have to say about that theory and article is:



BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

The sources are ridiculous in their inept and incomplete state. They are projecting crackpot unproved theories as factual data. Plus just the utter lackluster writing as far as scientific reporting goes is affable at best.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[redsamurai]

The Bible does not speak of the world being destroyed in this way, so it is all bullshit. Mankind will be dealt with when Jesus and The Chosen One feel that it is time. I will let you bishes know when the time is near.

wait, jesus AND the chosen one? Who the fuck is the chosen one supposed to be? I though the chosen one WAS jesus.

 

[reyz324]

LOL @ humans thinking a minor disaster they created will end life on this planet...typical human arrogance....Humanity will be destroyed by nature...not the other way around. This planet has pwned 99% of all species into extinction and all events that can end human life on this planet are cosmological and beyond human control.

nuclear war?

 

[Whiskey]

I'm curious about the other "27,000" abandoned wells in the gulf. How do they know that none of those are leaking anything out? Yes, you saw that number correctly.

Whiskey

 

[Mr. dB]

The Bible does not speak of the world being destroyed in this way, so it is all bullshit. Mankind will be dealt with when Jesus and The Chosen One feel that it is time. I will let you bishes know when the time is near.

No one knows the future, it hasn't happened yet. There's no such thing as prophesy.

 

[binö]

wait, jesus AND the chosen one? Who the fuck is the chosen one supposed to be? I though the chosen one WAS jesus.

there is a pecking order.
jesus is the big dawg.
lebron was up there too, but he dropped a few notches.
strongbow rounds out the top 5 billion chosen ones.

 

[redsamurai]

there is a pecking order.
jesus is the big dawg.
lebron was up there too, but he dropped a few notches.
strongbow rounds out the top 5 billion chosen ones.

oh he was talking about the chosen "ones"...which obviously are the joos. I thought he was meaning there was a second dude prophesied along with jesus....and that I had never heard of.

 

[javaguru]

nuclear war?

A nuclear exchange between the United States and the Soviet Union at the height of our nuclear capacity wouldn't have "destroyed the planet and ended human life." The United States spent millions in the 1960's studying the outcome and it would have ended modern society but it was far from a doomsday even with a full nuclear exchange. A singular eruption of the Yellowstone Caldera was more destructive to US society than every weapon the Soviets had in their arsenal...that's a natural event that wouldn't come close to killing humanity. Based on what we know...our sun is the most likely cause of the demise of humans...Ironic..no?

 

[Mr. dB]

A nuclear exchange between the United States and the Soviet Union at the height of our nuclear capacity wouldn't have "destroyed the planet and ended human life." The United States spent millions in the 1960's studying the outcome and it would have ended modern society but it was far from a doomsday even with a full nuclear exchange. A singular eruption of the Yellowstone Caldera was more destructive to US society than every weapon the Soviets had in their arsenal...that's a natural event that wouldn't come close to killing humanity. Based on what we know...our sun is the most likely cause of the demise of humans...Ironic..no?

What if the Soviets dropped a nuke on the Yellowstone Caldera?

 

[javaguru]

The Sun is a mass of incandescent gas
A gigantic nuclear furnace
Where hydrogen is built into helium
At a temperature of millions of degrees

Yo ho it's hot
The Sun is not
A place where we could live
But here on Earth
There'd be no life
Without the heat it gives

TY for supporting my proposition that humans are pwned by nature...

 

[Mr. dB]

The Sun is a mass of incandescent gas
A gigantic nuclear furnace
Where hydrogen is built into helium
At a temperature of millions of degrees

Yo ho it's hot
The Sun is not
A place where we could live
But here on Earth
There'd be no life
Without the heat it gives

 

[redsamurai]

yeah java I'm not too upbeat about humankinds survival rate if the U.S and soviet union had exchanged all their nukes. Yes some humans would obviously survive in other parts of the world but their lives would be pretty sketchy. If it didn't eventually cause us to fade out it would have come pretty damn close.

 

[javaguru]

What if the Soviets dropped a nuke on the Yellowstone Caldera?

I'm sure some geologist has proposed it in a funding grant application.

 

[javaguru]

yeah java I'm not too upbeat about humankinds survival rate if the U.S and soviet union had exchanged all their nukes. Yes some humans would obviously survive in other parts of the world but their lives would be pretty sketchy. If it didn't eventually cause us to fade out it would have come pretty damn close.

Based on the fossil record and human genome record...humanity came pretty close to extinction...a few thousand individuals at best.

 

[redsamurai]

Based on the fossil record and human genome record...humanity came pretty close to extinction...a few thousand individuals at best.

and that was probably a natural occurrence. A global nuclear winter? It would poison the worlds entire food chain. You'd have to be living somewhere at the poles and growing your own algae to survive.

 

[needtogetarmy]

The R&B channel the other day gave out the best advice like ever. A caller called in (that is what callers do) and said that "I get my seafood from Wal-Mart not from the ocean." Sound logic. BP is obviously not an issue.

 

[-SD-]

The R&B channel the other day gave out the best advice like ever. A caller called in (that is what callers do) and said that "I get my seafood from Wal-Mart not from the ocean." Sound logic. BP is obviously not an issue.

and now it will never be an issue as a Walmart shopper has laid down the law.

 

[javaguru]

and that was probably a natural occurrence. A global nuclear winter? It would poison the worlds entire food chain. You'd have to be living somewhere at the poles and growing your own algae to survive.

Even the worst case projections didn't predict massive death in the United States from radiation.Take a look at Chernobyl...the worst nuclear disaster in human history and wildlife is thriving in the surrounding towns and villages only miles from the disaster. My point stands, the energy released by a mile wide celestial object plowing into the planet would be much more destructive for humanity than the release of all nuclear arsenals on the planet. It's the difference between a thousand mosquito bites and a single .45 acp round to the chest.

 

[mrplunkey]

Even the worst case projections didn't predict massive death in the United States from radiation.Take a look at Chernobyl...the worst nuclear disaster in human history and wildlife is thriving in the surrounding towns and villages only miles from the disaster. My point stands, the energy released by a mile wide celestial object plowing into the planet would be much more destructive for humanity than the release of all nuclear arsenals on the planet. It's the difference between a thousand mosquito bites and a single .45 acp round to the chest.

^^^ this

 

[-SD-]

Even the worst case projections didn't predict massive death in the United States from radiation.Take a look at Chernobyl...the worst nuclear disaster in human history and wildlife is thriving in the surrounding towns and villages only miles from the disaster. My point stands, the energy released by a mile wide celestial object plowing into the planet would be much more destructive for humanity than the release of all nuclear arsenals on the planet. It's the difference between a thousand mosquito bites and a single .45 acp round to the chest.

But, but asteroids arent launched by evil politicians who can be blamed! asteroids cant get thrown out of office or protested against or boycotted so they are no good for comparing to nukes.

 

[mrplunkey]

But, but asteroids arent launched by evil politicians who can be blamed! asteroids cant get thrown out of office or protested against or boycotted so they are no good for comparing to nukes.

Plus asteroids are all-natural, which has to count for something.

 

[mrplunkey]

if they are on a collision course with earth they must not be disturbed in their natural environment, obviously. that would be ecologically unsound

Another great point. Even if we saw the killer asteroid in time, who are we to upset the galaxial ecosystem?

We have to think responsibly.

 

[-SD-]

Plus asteroids are all-natural, which has to count for something.

if they are on a collision course with earth they must not be disturbed in their natural environment, obviously. that would be ecologically unsound

 

[-SD-]

Another great point. Even if we saw the killer asteroid in time, who are we to upset the galaxial ecosystem?

We have to think responsibly.

after performing an EPA approved government sponsored university study of the asteroids sensitivity to human involvement, we could then relocate planet earth to a different solar system so as to not cause the asteroids environment any harm.

 

[mrplunkey]

after performing an EPA approved government sponsored university study of the asteroids sensitivity to human involvement, we could then relocate planet earth to a different solar system so as to not cause the asteroids environment any harm.

I like how you are thinking, but can we manage it using a $500B/year government agency?We must spare no expense in protecting the galactic ecosystem.

 

[-SD-]

I like how you are thinking, but can we manage it using a $500B/year government agency?We must spare no expense in protecting the galactic ecosystem.

Sell government bonds to Jupiter or Saturn since China obviously cant handle the debt load it would take to protect the asteroid. Jupiter and Saturn are much bigger than china and could give teh loans very easily.

 

[javaguru]

But, but asteroids arent launched by evil politicians who can be blamed! asteroids cant get thrown out of office or protested against or boycotted so they are no good for comparing to nukes.

All natural disasters are Yahweh based...from punishing New Orleans with katrina for the United States tolerating Pick3's lifestyle (Christians), volcanoes caused by wiminz wearing provocative clothing (Muslims) or not obeying the law and thus getting pwned constantly (Jews). Yahweh is the pimp ass dictator of all time because no matter how you are abused by a human dictator you can escape the dictatorship when you die...Yahweh pwns you for eternity,

 

[redsamurai]

Even the worst case projections didn't predict massive death in the United States from radiation.Take a look at Chernobyl...the worst nuclear disaster in human history and wildlife is thriving in the surrounding towns and villages only miles from the disaster. My point stands, the energy released by a mile wide celestial object plowing into the planet would be much more destructive for humanity than the release of all nuclear arsenals on the planet. It's the difference between a thousand mosquito bites and a single .45 acp round to the chest.

the sheer physical force brought on by a mile wide object hitting the earth at a couple thousand miles/hr is immense, I'll grant you that and far exceeds that of a nuclear detonation. But the after effects of a nuclear winter on the globe would be profound java. The populations left over would have to deal with a highly compromised food chain.

Oh and I just looked up chernobyl bro...hardly an edenic place.


from 2008: "CBS News was on the site less than 10 minutes when one member of the group went over his exposure limit. Right now the dose rate is 200 times the background of what you'd have in Washington"

Chernobyl, 22 Years Later - CBS Evening News - CBS News

 

[javaguru]

the sheer physical force brought on by a mile wide object hitting the earth at a couple thousand miles/hr is immense, I'll grant you that and far exceeds that of a nuclear detonation. But the after effects of a nuclear winter on the globe would be profound java. The populations left over would have to deal with a highly compromised food chain.

Oh and I just looked up chernobyl bro...hardly an edenic place.


from 2008: "CBS News was on the site less than 10 minutes when one member of the group went over his exposure limit. Right now the dose rate is 200 times the background of what you'd have in Washington"


Chernobyl, 22 Years Later - CBS Evening News - CBS News

Yet, with all the background radiation nature prospers while humanity runs in fear of absorbing enough radiation they might die a couple decades earlier. The humans were evacuated and the vegetation and animal life returned and prospered...it is currently eliminating all traces of humanity. The "Nuclear Winter" concept was invented by the media. Yes, humans and animals exposed to high levels of radiation suffered terribly initially but life always adapts and prospers. I didn't read the article you posted but humans have been reduced to less than a thousand individuals by the planet and yet we're still its scourge if you worship Al Gore. I'll reiterate...mass extinction is the norm for life on this planet...99.9% of all species no longer exist......even the media created "nuclear winter" wouldn't kill 99.9% of humans let alone that amount of life. If the Yellowstone super volcano erupted it would cause more climatic change than the release of every nuclear weapon AND conventional explosive in existence. This planet has more natural occurring destructive energy in a year than could be created if all humanity was devoted to creating weapons...its physics and you can't change the laws of physics, captain.

 

[redsamurai]

java, you don't think I'm suggesting that all the nuclear detonations in the world would somehow blow the earth up death star stylie do you? Because that's not what I'm getting at. And you're painting a rosier picture of chernobyl plant and animal life that what i'm getting from lord google. Also, they're saying now that 95% of the fuel in that reactor still remains. Originally they thought it all went given the amount of contamination. That's why it looks like they're building now a second "sarcophagus" for the reactor. I don't know, you could live there if you like but not me. Getting roughly a hundred times the medically researched standard dose in just 10 minutes.....I'm cool, no need for me to be anywhere near there. And they admit it's completely random. Two people standing inches apart can somehow manage to absorb astronomically different levels of radiation. WTF is that? Are there like invisible streams of radiation that spiral around the place and you're shit out of luck if you happen to wander through one of them?

 

[javaguru]

java, you don't think I'm suggesting that all the nuclear detonations in the world would somehow blow the earth up death star stylie do you? Because that's not what I'm getting at. And you're painting a rosier picture of chernobyl plant and animal life that what i'm getting from lord google. Also, they're saying now that 95% of the fuel in that reactor still remains. Originally they thought it all went given the amount of contamination. That's why it looks like they're building now a second "sarcophagus" for the reactor. I don't know, you could live there if you like but not me. Getting roughly a hundred times the medically researched standard dose in just 10 minutes.....I'm cool, no need for me to be anywhere near there. And they admit it's completely random. Two people standing inches apart can somehow manage to absorb astronomically different levels of radiation. WTF is that? Are there like invisible streams of radiation that spiral around the place and you're shit out of luck if you happen to wander through one of them?

I'm just claiming the assertions made by the media aren't backed up by science or experience....