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Dog owners, I gotta ask something

musclemom

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If you walk your dog (on public parks or streets) for it to do it's business, do you clean up after it or do you just leave the mess?

If you leave it, what gives you the right (particularly when it comes to the dog using someone's lawn)?

I'm trying to understand the mentality here, seriously.
 
if you catch someone letting their dog shit in your yard go outside and tackle the owner and rub their nose in it. They'll learn.
 
musclemom said:
If you walk your dog (on public parks or streets) for it to do it's business, do you clean up after it or do you just leave the mess?

If you leave it, what gives you the right (particularly when it comes to the dog using someone's lawn)?

I'm trying to understand the mentality here, seriously.
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I gather it up and follow them home.
I smear it all over their front door and then ring the bell.
When they answer I smear the rest in their face.
Never see the same dog twice.
 
I always clean it up.

Unless its buried in some bush right next to another dogs shit. That way I have plausible deniability.
 
musclemom said:
If you leave it, what gives you the right (particularly when it comes to the dog using someone's lawn)?
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What gives cat owners the right to let their feline's roam loose in the neighborhood? :D


We both know most cat owners don't have true "house cats"
 
In the UK dog owners have to clean up after their mutts (on risk of fine) yet people riding horses along the pavement don't have to clean up the several kilos of horseshit their horses leave.
 
I always picked it up. If I had him at the dog park and saw him deucing far away I'd try to find it, but if I couldn't I'd pick up a different deuce.
 
In my world, no one lets their dog or cat pooh on the street/yard/playground/park without picking it up and bagging it.
This is simple stuff.
I am also against public spitting though, so I am a little uptight in these matters.:evil:
 
PuddleMonkey said:
What gives cat owners the right to let their feline's roam loose in the neighborhood? :D


We both know most cat owners don't have true "house cats"
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I think letting your cat outdoors if you live in an urban area is irresponsible. Farm country is a different story, but I live 17 miles out of Philadelphia, high traffic suburbia.

My cats have not, do not, and will never go out. They have actually been trained that going near the front or back door is BAD. As I have said before, I live at the corner of a VERY busy intersection, I would be murdering my cats, whom I love very dearly, if I were to let them out.

That being said, at least (most) outdoor cats have the common decency to poop somewhere very out of sight AND they usually dig a hole and bury it.

Dogs, meanwhile, don't think twice about copping a squat right in the middle of the sidewalk.
 
musclemom said:
I think letting your cat outdoors if you live in an urban area is irresponsible. Farm country is a different story, but I live 17 miles out of Philadelphia, high traffic suburbia.

My cats have not, do not, and will never go out. They have actually been trained that going near the front or back door is BAD. As I have said before, I live at the corner of a VERY busy intersection, I would be murdering my cats, whom I love very dearly, if I were to let them out.

That being said, at least (most) outdoor cats have the common decency to poop somewhere very out of sight AND they usually dig a hole and bury it.

Dogs, meanwhile, don't think twice about copping a squat right in the middle of the sidewalk.
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yeah! my sandbox when i was a kid! :(
 
We have a dog park we frequent where it seems like nobody picks up after their pet because there is dog crap everywhere. I have no problem if someone's dog squats and they don't make a move to pick it up saying very directly "your dog just took a dump." and I'll even hand them a poop bag. Embarrassment does wonders.

Around here it seems like every dog just gets chained up in the yard anyway so there are a lot of really lazy dog owners. Sometimes I swear our dog walks by those yards with an extra strut as if to say "yeah, you sorry sack of crap, I'm getting walked and you're not haha!"
 
musclemom said:
If you leave it, what gives you the right (particularly when it comes to the dog using someone's lawn)?
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I guess because it doesn't bother me at all if someone else allows their dog to dump on mine. Never has. It's just a little poo. Free fertilizer.

I think if I had a really huge dog that laid monstro loafs though I'd make sure he/she didn't dump on lawns.
 
RottenWillow said:
I guess because it doesn't bother me at all if someone else allows their dog to dump on mine. Never has. It's just a little poo. Free fertilizer.

I think if I had a really huge dog that laid monstro loafs though I'd make sure he/she didn't dump on lawns.
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Im taking my great dane to fertilize ur entire yard :p
 
RottenWillow said:
I guess because it doesn't bother me at all if someone else allows their dog to dump on mine. Never has. It's just a little poo. Free fertilizer.

I think if I had a really huge dog that laid monstro loafs though I'd make sure he/she didn't dump on lawns.
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*sigh* Et tu?

Okay, here's the thing - when you live on a corner, you are EVERY dog's piss/shit stop, seriously (not to mention the fact every loose piece of garbage on the street seems to migrate here like being sucked into a black hole). I used to have pretty flower beds surrounding my property. You stick your hand into one too many piles of shit when you go to pull weeds you eventually get discouraged. Hell, I already scoop my pans and tend to my pets, why should I have to spend 30 minutes cleaning up dog shit (which I happen to find utterly revolting) before I can even start the gardening?

So consequently, screw the garden. I'd concrete over the lawn if it wouldn't cost me money.
 
Cleanup is the law here.

RottenWillow said:
I guess because it doesn't bother me at all if someone else allows their dog to dump on mine. Never has. It's just a little poo. Free fertilizer.

I think if I had a really huge dog that laid monstro loafs though I'd make sure he/she didn't dump on lawns.
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Wait til hubby wants to play football with Junior in the yard and both come in covered with dog poop.
 
ponyfitness said:
We have a dog park we frequent where it seems like nobody picks up after their pet because there is dog crap everywhere. I have no problem if someone's dog squats and they don't make a move to pick it up saying very directly "your dog just took a dump." and I'll even hand them a poop bag. Embarrassment does wonders.

Around here it seems like every dog just gets chained up in the yard anyway so there are a lot of really lazy dog owners. Sometimes I swear our dog walks by those yards with an extra strut as if to say "yeah, you sorry sack of crap, I'm getting walked and you're not haha!"
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Lazy dog owners are sorry sacks of crap. My gf and I walk her neighbours dog. The guy leaves his dog tied up in front and when he takes her out it's usually in his truck and he leaves her in there while he does his shopping. Fat fuck lets her out in the back to drop her deuces.

Living in the city, you gotta clean up after your dog.
 
musclemom said:
That being said, at least (most) outdoor cats have the common decency to poop somewhere very out of sight AND they usually dig a hole and bury it.

Dogs, meanwhile, don't think twice about copping a squat right in the middle of the sidewalk.
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It's not just about poop though, it's about respect. Take my father for example, his dog never leaves the yard. She's not fenced in when she's outside, but she's aware of the invisible line bordering her territory. The neighborhood cats however, roam free. This has caused problems in the past, to the point where my father even trapped some of the cats in his yard and took them down to the humane society. The cats were digging in his garden. He uses fish heads among other things for fertilizer, the cats would dig to the point where they'd pull up seeds or roots. He's really anal about his trucks, washes them weekly. Never seems to fail that there'd be dirty paw prints up and down the hood of his vehicles the day after he'd wash 'em. They'd chase off the squirrels my father likes to feed in the back yard. One was even bold enough to enter the back doggy door to steal food from the dogs bowl.

So I've got to ask, what gives cat owners the right?
 
I should add that he warned the cat owners repeatedly before setting out the trap, and told them afterward where they could find their cat(s).
 
When I lived in metro Los Angeles, I carried a plastic bag. It's the law, but I did it because I didn't like having to clean up after others on my own lawn. I guess it's karma.

Charles
 
musclemom said:
*sigh* Et tu?

Okay, here's the thing - when you live on a corner, you are EVERY dog's piss/shit stop, seriously (not to mention the fact every loose piece of garbage on the street seems to migrate here like being sucked into a black hole). I used to have pretty flower beds surrounding my property. You stick your hand into one too many piles of shit when you go to pull weeds you eventually get discouraged. Hell, I already scoop my pans and tend to my pets, why should I have to spend 30 minutes cleaning up dog shit (which I happen to find utterly revolting) before I can even start the gardening?

So consequently, screw the garden. I'd concrete over the lawn if it wouldn't cost me money.
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Pooping or peeing on someone's landscaping bed is strictly prohibited by Mama Sulma. I keep Penelope away from anything like that b/c that's not something I'd want other owners to allow with my own (if I had any :lmao:)
 
musclemom said:
If you walk your dog (on public parks or streets) for it to do it's business, do you clean up after it or do you just leave the mess?

If you leave it, what gives you the right (particularly when it comes to the dog using someone's lawn)?

I'm trying to understand the mentality here, seriously.
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I've always carried a plastic bag, common courtesy.
 
I should also point out that "dog owners" don't actually "own" their dogs...the dog is usually considered a child or friend.
 
javaguru said:
I should also point out that "dog owners" don't actually "own" their dogs...the dog is usually considered a child or friend.
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Maybe that's why hard core anti-cat people don't "get" the relationship we have with our cats. One of the appeals about cats is the fact they get potty trained and can be left alone with food for a week won't eat it all in one sitting. Cats are teenagers, dogs are perpetual toddlers :lmao:

Look, I've owned both in my life, and multiples of them, at that. I don't dislike dogs (although, there are some breeds that are a waste of kibble, and what some bad dog owners do to their dogs by spoiling them makes me dislike those animals). That being said, I can't say I miss the constant demands of dog ownership (particularly with these last snow storms, man would taking the dog out have been a hassle).
 
musclemom said:
Maybe that's why hard core anti-cat people don't "get" the relationship we have with our cats. One of the appeals about cats is the fact they get potty trained and can be left alone with food for a week won't eat it all in one sitting. Cats are teenagers, dogs are perpetual toddlers :lmao:

Look, I've owned both in my life, and multiples of them, at that. I don't dislike dogs (although, there are some breeds that are a waste of kibble, and what some bad dog owners do to their dogs by spoiling them makes me dislike those animals). That being said, I can't say I miss the constant demands of dog ownership (particularly with these last snow storms, man would taking the dog out have been a hassle).
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When I find myself being very irritated with the stupid things they do and all the maintenance they require expressly due to to said stupidity, I remind myself the stupidity is our fault as humans. We made them stupid. Wolves aren't stupid. They are as self sufficient as an animal can be, but for millions of generations we bred them for particular traits for our own benefit. Now we have dogs that will walk into the street sniffing the ground right in front of an oncoming car, eat until they herniate themselves, eat them own shit, eat cardboard because it smells like the food that was once stored in it, and just generally be so idiotic you want to kick them.
 
musclemom said:
Maybe that's why hard core anti-cat people don't "get" the relationship we have with our cats. One of the appeals about cats is the fact they get potty trained and can be left alone with food for a week won't eat it all in one sitting. Cats are teenagers, dogs are perpetual toddlers :lmao:

Look, I've owned both in my life, and multiples of them, at that. I don't dislike dogs (although, there are some breeds that are a waste of kibble, and what some bad dog owners do to their dogs by spoiling them makes me dislike those animals). That being said, I can't say I miss the constant demands of dog ownership (particularly with these last snow storms, man would taking the dog out have been a hassle).
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Nitchske was a "self-feeder"..I would fill up his bowl every few days and he managed his weight quite well. Most of my dogs were outside dogs when I was growing up and they required zero maintenance other than dropping food off in the bowl once a day. Nitchske loved getting back to the wild visiting my parents where he could spend all day outside stalking small fury creatures, he especially enjoyed chasing cats. His requirements for supervision in a city environment was a function of humans and not his being a dog. Nitchske was great at accepting cats in the house but dealing with cats litter box and spraying is a much bigger pain in the ass than living in the country with a dog that is free to come and go as it pleases.
 
javaguru said:
Nitchske was a "self-feeder"..I would fill up his bowl every few days and he managed his weight quite well. Most of my dogs were outside dogs when I was growing up and they required zero maintenance other than dropping food off in the bowl once a day. Nitchske loved getting back to the wild visiting my parents where he could spend all day outside stalking small fury creatures, he especially enjoyed chasing cats. His requirements for supervision in a city environment was a function of humans and not his being a dog. Nitchske was great at accepting cats in the house but dealing with cats litter box and spraying is a much bigger pain in the ass than living in the country with a dog that is free to come and go as it pleases.
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Never met a dog that would do that, ever. But there are oddities among all species. I have a cat that responds nicely to numerous verbal commands, a first in more than 40 years.

As for spraying, that is a function of neutering, male or female. A neutered cat that pees out of the box is either suffering from urinary problems (which happen very commonly because people feed crap food) or has territoriality issues with other cats in the house.

I live in an urban area. Letting any animal roam outside would be beyond the height of irresponsibility (and in general is unless you live in an extremely rural area, and when I had horses, loose dogs were a reason to get the gun). Heck, I consider owners who walk their dogs without leashes around here inconsiderate as hell. I mean, my own son was hit by a car (not hard, but it happened) about a block from the house. One of my dogs was killed right next to the house. Last summer we had to dispose of someone's cat that was lying in front of our house, you get the point.
 
I own a dog...Let's begin with the fact that it is winter time up here in the North and my dog has just begun taking walks. She hasn't even managed a piss let alone a shit on anyone elses property..thankfully! However, if my dog were to shit somewhere I of course would pick it up. It is down right rude to have your animal shit in someone elses yard or on public property, left for others to step in.
The people out back of us let their dog run loose as they have a large yard that connects to their sons yard. Any how, their damn stupid ass dog always used to come into my yard and shit! I would get sooooo pissed off, scoop it with my shovel and just throw it into their yard.Now of course I have my dog, have only seen theirs in my yard once and it didn't stop!
I hate people that violate the pooper scooper law, and also the leash law...I yell at people, pisses me off!


PUDDLE MONKEY, for the record both of my cats have never been outside. They are "indoor" cats. thank you!
 
*pats angel on the head and sends her back to her room*

*pats musclemom on top of her pointy hat, calls her a crazy cat lady and sends her to boil children in her cauldron*

*high fives puddlemonkey*

*takes his lab puppy to the park to play and socialize*
 
juiceddreadlocks said:
*pats angel on the head and sends her back to her room*

*pats musclemom on top of her pointy hat, calls her a crazy cat lady and sends her to boil children in her cauldron*

*high fives puddlemonkey*

*takes his lab puppy to the park to play and socialize*
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But I don't wanna go to my room!
 
musclemom said:
Never met a dog that would do that, ever. But there are oddities among all species. I have a cat that responds nicely to numerous verbal commands, a first in more than 40 years.

As for spraying, that is a function of neutering, male or female. A neutered cat that pees out of the box is either suffering from urinary problems (which happen very commonly because people feed crap food) or has territoriality issues with other cats in the house.

I live in an urban area. Letting any animal roam outside would be beyond the height of irresponsibility (and in general is unless you live in an extremely rural area, and when I had horses, loose dogs were a reason to get the gun). Heck, I consider owners who walk their dogs without leashes around here inconsiderate as hell. I mean, my own son was hit by a car (not hard, but it happened) about a block from the house. One of my dogs was killed right next to the house. Last summer we had to dispose of someone's cat that was lying in front of our house, you get the point.
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Well, I don't know of a case where a burglar retreated at the site of an eight pound cat but my 100 pound German Shepherd mix scared the shit out of a potential burglar and foiled his burglary while I was gone. Dogs have traditionally been valued members in a culture due to their status as working dogs. Those of us that have had working dogs know you have to keep them interested and exercised....we bred them that way.



I doubt there will be a cats of war monument. :)
 
leaving dogshit is a major foul esp in a city.
should be thrown at the owners for doing so...i've noticed cities out west don't tolerate it as
much and you never see dogshit.
back east more slack-more shit
 
musclemom said:
If you walk your dog (on public parks or streets) for it to do it's business, do you clean up after it or do you just leave the mess?

If you leave it, what gives you the right (particularly when it comes to the dog using someone's lawn)?

I'm trying to understand the mentality here, seriously.
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It's organic fertilizer. I'd pick it up, but I hate to set-back the all-natural movement.
 
javaguru said:
Well, I don't know of a case where a burglar retreated at the site of an eight pound cat but my 100 pound German Shepherd mix scared the shit out of a potential burglar and foiled his burglary while I was gone. Dogs have traditionally been valued members in a culture due to their status as working dogs. Those of us that have had working dogs know you have to keep them interested and exercised....we bred them that way.

I doubt there will be a cats of war monument. :)
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Excuse me, I'm not anti-dog, and I've said that over, and over and over. However, a dog would no more fit into my lifestyle than a new baby would and in fact a baby would be less of a problem, because the cats I live with wouldn't have a problem with a baby, whereas most of them would be deathly afraid of a dog. And I'm sorry, but you cannot go on vacation for 9 days and leave your dog alone in the house with litter pans and sufficient food, no matter how sharp the dog is. It would be cruel, and it would be irresponsible.

Comparing cats to dogs is like comparing apples to pine trees. They each fill their niche in society.

My point in this thread was not a cats vs. dogs debate, because that's the same as a Christian vs. Wiccan debate. I just wanted to vent about dog owners who think it's okay to let their dogs shit on my front yard and not clean up the poop and I don't understand why. I would never, in a million years, dream of dumping a dirty litter pan on someone's front yard.
 
Responsible owners clean up after their dogs. Hell, even at the dog parks where bags are provided some people just leave the doo-doo sitting on the ground.

Seems to be the female crowd (at least from what I've observed) that are to busy yapping on their cell phones to even pay attention to what their dogs are doing.
 
musclemom said:
Excuse me, I'm not anti-dog, and I've said that over, and over and over. However, a dog would no more fit into my lifestyle than a new baby would and in fact a baby would be less of a problem, because the cats I live with wouldn't have a problem with a baby, whereas most of them would be deathly afraid of a dog. And I'm sorry, but you cannot go on vacation for 9 days and leave your dog alone in the house with litter pans and sufficient food, no matter how sharp the dog is. It would be cruel, and it would be irresponsible.

Comparing cats to dogs is like comparing apples to pine trees. They each fill their niche in society.

My point in this thread was not a cats vs. dogs debate, because that's the same as a Christian vs. Wiccan debate. I just wanted to vent about dog owners who think it's okay to let their dogs shit on my front yard and not clean up the poop and I don't understand why. I would never, in a million years, dream of dumping a dirty litter pan on someone's front yard.
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It's not my fault you don't recognize the progressive genius of a free organic fertilizer service that delivers to your own lawn.
 
musclemom said:
Excuse me, I'm not anti-dog, and I've said that over, and over and over. However, a dog would no more fit into my lifestyle than a new baby would and in fact a baby would be less of a problem, because the cats I live with wouldn't have a problem with a baby, whereas most of them would be deathly afraid of a dog. And I'm sorry, but you cannot go on vacation for 9 days and leave your dog alone in the house with litter pans and sufficient food, no matter how sharp the dog is. It would be cruel, and it would be irresponsible.

Comparing cats to dogs is like comparing apples to pine trees. They each fill their niche in society.

My point in this thread was not a cats vs. dogs debate, because that's the same as a Christian vs. Wiccan debate. I just wanted to vent about dog owners who think it's okay to let their dogs shit on my front yard and not clean up the poop and I don't understand why. I would never, in a million years, dream of dumping a dirty litter pan on someone's front yard.
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I agree it's irresponsible not to pick up after your dog and I also agree that comparing cats and dogs isn't a fair comparison, dogs are a valuable contributors to society and cats are a barely useful but extremely annoying parasite. :)

Ironically, the Military Channel showed the documentary "War Dogs of the Pacific" today.

 
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javaguru said:
I agree it's irresponsible not to pick up after your dog and I also agree that comparing cats and dogs isn't a fair comparison, dogs are a valuable contributors to society and cats are a barely useful but extremely annoying parasite. :)
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Actually, it's been speculated that the Black Plague occurred as a result of so many cats being killed due to "witch fears" and the resultant boom in rodent population.

Cats are more effective rodent killers than dogs and are immune to many of the diseases transmittted by rodents, unlike humans and dogs.

Saying the cat is an annoying parasite is just patently bigoted. Men generally prefer dogs because dogs are pack animals, and as pack animals have developed social rules that are similar to humans. In fact, dogs have body language similar to ours, and can read our body language quite well.

Cats are solitary predators, their body language is completely different from a dogs and reading that language requires effort and empathy, much like the problem some men encounter when trying to understand women. It's too much like effort so "it's stupid."

To this day, one of the reasons there are feral cat trap/neuter/release projects (as opposed to poison)is that it's been discovered that killing the feral cats creates a very genuine pest problem that isn't easily controlled by humans.

You prefer dogs, other people prefer cats or birds or bunnies or hedgehogs. That doesn't make you right and others wrong. That just makes other people different from you.
 
I would like to see the day I have a 120lb barn cat to use to warn me when people are coming up the lane to our ranch house.
 
juiceddreadlocks said:
I would like to see the day I have a 120lb barn cat to use to warn me when people are coming up the lane to our ranch house.
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Let's try this again:

musclemom said:
You prefer dogs, other people prefer cats or birds or bunnies or hedgehogs. That doesn't make you right and others wrong. That just makes other people different from you.
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I'm sorry I can't lock this thread. Let's let it lie here, people. I'm so tired of dog > cat threads. Right up there with saying atheism > christianity.

I just wanted to know about the shitting thing, that was all. When I had dogs, I picked up after them when I walked them. One other thing to add to the list of rotten things about this neighborhood, people have no respect and don't give a damn.
 
musclemom said:
Let's try this again:



I'm sorry I can't lock this thread. Let's let it lie here, people. I'm so tired of dog > cat threads. Right up there with saying atheism > christianity.

I just wanted to know about the shitting thing, that was all. When I had dogs, I picked up after them when I walked them. One other thing to add to the list of rotten things about this neighborhood, people have no respect and don't give a damn.
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did you admit to being a crazy cat lady yet?
 
musclemom said:
Actually, it's been speculated that the Black Plague occurred as a result of so many cats being killed due to "witch fears" and the resultant boom in rodent population.

Cats are more effective rodent killers than dogs and are immune to many of the diseases transmittted by rodents, unlike humans and dogs.

Saying the cat is an annoying parasite is just patently bigoted. Men generally prefer dogs because dogs are pack animals, and as pack animals have developed social rules that are similar to humans. In fact, dogs have body language similar to ours, and can read our body language quite well.

Cats are solitary predators, their body language is completely different from a dogs and reading that language requires effort and empathy, much like the problem some men encounter when trying to understand women. It's too much like effort so "it's stupid."

To this day, one of the reasons there are feral cat trap/neuter/release projects (as opposed to poison)is that it's been discovered that killing the feral cats creates a very genuine pest problem that isn't easily controlled by humans.

You prefer dogs, other people prefer cats or birds or bunnies or hedgehogs. That doesn't make you right and others wrong. That just makes other people different from you.
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I blame the "Black Death" on the witches...if they hadn't been casting spells causing milk to sour, crops to fail and eating children there wouldn't have been a societal backlash against witches and their animal familiars. :)
 
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