Are we getting too relaxed about the high risk compounds?

[rambleon]

Hi bros

Recently i noticed a few things. A year or two ago everybody used to stress the need for extreme caution when using T3 for instance. Now it seems nobody thinks twice about it. I mean: It really is an effective fat burner but one should research the matter thoroughly before fucking with the thyroid gland IMO.

This is just an example tho. I'm quite sure the advice doled out by the forum sponsors on the matter is sound. I'm only talking about the overall trend of increased laizzes faire here.

Another example is the increased frequency of the mention of DNP. That shit has got to be the most toxic dangerous and downright scary compound in the book. Happily noone seems to be like: "Oh this is the shit u should def give it a go" but still... If you aren't losing fat fast enough with diet cardio and all the other fat burners avaliable u just aren't working hard enough at it I think.

Then there is insulin. That shit can kill you just like dnp. It seems to me that in spite of the vets and mods telling people the don't need it (except for pros that actually have to make a living from winning contests etc. - these people determine their own needs and what risks they are willing to take) it is being discussed in terms of the ordinary not the exceptional.

I may be way off here. You decide for yourself. I don't wish EF to be a place of taboos either. I'm just concerned that the way we talk about some of these high risk compounds is changing towards an increased "do whatever u want" attitude. In my opinion we are all here to have each others backs on this quest for physical perfection.

So what do y'all think?

 

[joe d]

Hi bros

Recently i noticed a few things. A year or two ago everybody used to stress the need for extreme caution when using T3 for instance. Now it seems nobody thinks twice about it. I mean: It really is an effective fat burner but one should research the matter thoroughly before fucking with the thyroid gland IMO.

This is just an example tho. I'm quite sure the advice doled out by the forum sponsors on the matter is sound. I'm only talking about the overall trend of increased laizzes faire here.

Another example is the increased frequency of the mention of DNP. That shit has got to be the most toxic dangerous and downright scary compound in the book. Happily noone seems to be like: "Oh this is the shit u should def give it a go" but still... If you aren't losing fat fast enough with diet cardio and all the other fat burners avaliable u just aren't working hard enough at it I think.

Then there is insulin. That shit can kill you just like dnp. It seems to me that in spite of the vets and mods telling people the don't need it (except for pros that actually have to make a living from winning contests etc. - these people determine their own needs and what risks they are willing to take) it is being discussed in terms of the ordinary not the exceptional.

I may be way off here. You decide for yourself. I don't wish EF to be a place of taboos either. I'm just concerned that the way we talk about some of these high risk compounds is changing towards an increased "do whatever u want" attitude. In my opinion we are all here to have each others backs on this quest for physical perfection.

So what do y'all think?

i dont know. i do agree that some are oblivious to the truths and will even reply to your posts like you are a moron, all do to their inability to except that they are risking their life. but the majority seems to me like they do understand the dangers to some degree and do not use the compounds you mentioned and also keep cycles few and low dosed for these reasons. others may go a bit farther walking a fine line but still taking every possible precaution to at least reduce the chances.

 

[jimmy04]

people do as they wish to regardles of the risks, if you want somthing bad enough you will do what it takes to get it. the danger of slin is over rated any way imo. i use 12iu after workouts and yea i feel fuller but thats about it. slin can kill you but i would say that 12iu is not a deadly amount. i dont think it is as deadly as moste make out, its like when ever its spoke about ther are people siting at ther computers shiting ther pants lol. i have taken 10iu in past had 100g carbs pw had carbs on hand but didnt consume any for bout 2hr afta that and felt fine. sline needs respect but ther is no need to fear it like people do. you cant compare slin to dnp.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Its a 100% bet that I will never ever use slin , dnp, or even T3. But I would dare use slin wayyy before DNP. Being said, still not doing it. I'll just have some test thanks.

 

[rambleon]

Its a 100% bet that I will never ever use slin , dnp, or even T3. But I would dare use slin wayyy before DNP. Being said, still not doing it. I'll just have some test thanks.

I myself have used T3. I'd never ever use slin but just as u say: If someone put a gun to my head and made me chose between slin and dnp i'd go with slin all the way. DNP is just way too insane imo. I can actually see why a pro would use slin. I mean i can see the sense in it from a perspective of having to gain the edge in order to make a living but dnp? No way. Never.

I was just saying that i don't feel the risk is worth it for anybody else but this hypothetical pro.

 

[Wulfgar]

ive used it all

but i know all to well the dangers


IMHO if you are not on a stage there is really no reason to take those compounds

 

[eClenbuterol]

This is just an example tho. I'm quite sure the advice doled out by the forum sponsors on the matter is sound. I'm only talking about the overall trend of increased laizzes faire here

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Same applies to steroids. Time and time again I see guys that have lifted for a few freaking months and are running cycles because they are LAZY and do not want to put in the hard work.

 

[Tatyana]

people do as they wish to regardles of the risks, if you want somthing bad enough you will do what it takes to get it. the danger of slin is over rated any way imo. i use 12iu after workouts and yea i feel fuller but thats about it. slin can kill you but i would say that 12iu is not a deadly amount. i dont think it is as deadly as moste make out, its like when ever its spoke about ther are people siting at ther computers shiting ther pants lol. i have taken 10iu in past had 100g carbs pw had carbs on hand but didnt consume any for bout 2hr afta that and felt fine. sline needs respect but ther is no need to fear it like people do. you cant compare slin to dnp.

One of the issues with insulin is that it isn't as dangerous for people who are running high dose anabolics, as high dose anabolics induces an insulin resistance in muscle cells.

If someone who isn't using, or using lower doses follows the protocol of someone who is using high doses, it could be a different story.

 

[rambleon]

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Same applies to steroids. Time and time again I see guys that have lifted for a few freaking months and are running cycles because they are LAZY and do not want to put in the hard work.

Yeah but i disagree that the board as such is getting more accepting of that. I mean back in the days of mac and ulter it was like: The more u use the better. Thats hardly the attitude now IMO.

Whenever someone lays his: "I'm 21, 6'1" 165 lbs. Been serious for 6 months and now i want to do sust, deca and dbol" crap on us he gets told he isn't ready. Every time.

It's more the guys that's obviously been around for awhile and now they think they need slin to bulk or dnp to cut. It is the tendency towards general acceptance of high risk compounds that has me worried.

 

[RagenMMA]

Yeah but i disagree that the board as such is getting more accepting of that. I mean back in the days of mac and ulter it was like: The more u use the better. Thats hardly the attitude now IMO.

Whenever someone lays his: "I'm 21, 6'1" 165 lbs. Been serious for 6 months and now i want to do sust, deca and dbol" crap on us he gets told he isn't ready. Every time.

It's more the guys that's obviously been around for awhile and now they think they need slin to bulk or dnp to cut. It is the tendency towards general acceptance of high risk compounds that has me worried.

I would agree. I honestly don't even like responding to posts that are in reference to compounds like "DNP,CLEN,T-3,Lasix", especially if it sounds like the guy is green. It's a liability thing and even though it most likely will never come back to me - you never know. I would just rather copy and paste a sticky and hope they read all the risks and precautions. Hell even with all the knowledge i had i still stayed overnight in the hospital because of T3/Clen. Not fun i'll tell you. The wife was putting ice bags all over my body and i nearly died.