Are we getting too relaxed about the high risk compounds?

[Nelson Montana]

Yes and no.

With the "old crowd" taking about slin was commonplace. I remember when a couple of guys died from DNP. Thankfully, that doesn't happen -- as much. We still have our casualties, but it's usually from excess, which IS commonplace.

 

[jimmy04]

tatyana-"One of the issues with insulin is that it isn't as dangerous for people who are running high dose anabolics, as high dose anabolics induces an insulin resistance in muscle cells.

If someone who isn't using, or using lower doses follows the protocol of someone who is using high doses, it could be a different story".

why would some one on a lowe dose of aas even want to use slin? you should only use it after you have used high doses as a booster any way. i would say untill you hit 1000mg test or more ther is no reason to even consider it

 

[ConanX]

I would agree. I honestly don't even like responding to posts that are in reference to compounds like "DNP,CLEN,T-3,Lasix", especially if it sounds like the guy is green. It's a liability thing and even though it most likely will never come back to me - you never know. I would just rather copy and paste a sticky and hope they read all the risks and precautions. Hell even with all the knowledge i had i still stayed overnight in the hospital because of T3/Clen. Not fun i'll tell you. The wife was putting ice bags all over my body and i nearly died.

Wow, care to share the story? I am staying away from T3 as I'm mostly afraid of muscle loss. I know that stims like Clen and hormones like T3 can be very dangerous...but when you actually hear about stories like this, it definitely opens your eyes. Thank God you're alright bro.

 

[RagenMMA]

Wow, care to share the story? I am staying away from T3 as I'm mostly afraid of muscle loss. I know that stims like Clen and hormones like T3 can be very dangerous...but when you actually hear about stories like this, it definitely opens your eyes. Thank God you're alright bro.

I bought some clen and T-3 from a well known research company and took the minimum dose. I believe it was 20 MCG of Clen and comparitive dose of T-3. First 8 hours i felt simply lethargic and sick. My blood pressure was 150/100 and my temperature got to 104.5 degrees. At this point i was sweating from head to toe and shaking like a crack head in rehab. Wife put bags of ice all over my body to try and cool me down. After feeling somewhat faintly i rushed to ER. The pinhead who checked me in didn't even know what T-3 or Clen was so that was a challenge in itself. Don't know what happened next cause they gave me some dimmeral i believe but doctors fixed me. I shit soup for nearly a week after and thank God i'm alive. since then i won't touch research chems. Most of the stuff you get nowadays isn't even dissolved completely so you never know exactly how much of the compound your getting when you draw it up. I had done clen in the past so the culprit was the T-3. Somehow it synergistic affect with the Clen messed me up.

 

[ConanX]

Wow!!! I was just about to order some T3 and use it for the first time but after seeing your post, forget it man. I'll stick with the clen as my last resort cutting drug. That's some scary shit...

 

[needtogetaas]

Hi bros

Recently i noticed a few things. A year or two ago everybody used to stress the need for extreme caution when using T3 for instance. Now it seems nobody thinks twice about it. I mean: It really is an effective fat burner but one should research the matter thoroughly before fucking with the thyroid gland IMO.

This is just an example tho. I'm quite sure the advice doled out by the forum sponsors on the matter is sound. I'm only talking about the overall trend of increased laizzes faire here.

Another example is the increased frequency of the mention of DNP. That shit has got to be the most toxic dangerous and downright scary compound in the book. Happily noone seems to be like: "Oh this is the shit u should def give it a go" but still... If you aren't losing fat fast enough with diet cardio and all the other fat burners avaliable u just aren't working hard enough at it I think.

Then there is insulin. That shit can kill you just like dnp. It seems to me that in spite of the vets and mods telling people the don't need it (except for pros that actually have to make a living from winning contests etc. - these people determine their own needs and what risks they are willing to take) it is being discussed in terms of the ordinary not the exceptional.

I may be way off here. You decide for yourself. I don't wish EF to be a place of taboos either. I'm just concerned that the way we talk about some of these high risk compounds is changing towards an increased "do whatever u want" attitude. In my opinion we are all here to have each others backs on this quest for physical perfection.

So what do y'all think?

If you see oney one talk about it let me know. The talk about this subject is banned from this site. You do not give advice for it or talk about it unless you want to be banned. Bottom line its banned from this site because one wrong move and it can kill you.

So please fill me in if you see talk about it. Thank you.

 

[MSA122]

I bought some clen and T-3 from a well known research company and took the minimum dose. I believe it was 20 MCG of Clen and comparitive dose of T-3. First 8 hours i felt simply lethargic and sick. My blood pressure was 150/100 and my temperature got to 104.5 degrees. At this point i was sweating from head to toe and shaking like a crack head in rehab. ... and thank God i'm alive. since then i won't touch research chems. Most of the stuff you get nowadays isn't even dissolved completely so you never know exactly how much of the compound your getting when you draw it up. I had done clen in the past so the culprit was the T-3. Somehow it synergistic affect with the Clen messed me up.

excellent post, sides vary dramatically by person for the same dose, which is why some of the "recommendations" need to be taken as that and start with a very low dose as you did, but were hit hard/bad anyway... I personally stay away from the research chem stuff too (no offense to any of the board sponsors), mostly because it's usually easy enough for me to get T-3/Clen in pharmaceutical form directly (although Mexico seemed to be out of T-3 when I was there a few months ago, and you can get fakes if you're not carefull). The dosing of these is also in micro-grams, so any slipup along the supply chain or in your own measuring could result in a dramatically different dose than advertised/expected.

100mcg T-3, and 160-180mcg clen does great things for me, but I always check the dosage of each batch # and start low if I haven't used it, my tolerance to differnt batches of Oxyflux can vary by 40 mcgs. Never had a problem with the T-3, but many years ago I remember Sofa George said he got a bad/fake batch of that in Mexico once, nothing is perfect or guaranteed in this business...

Never will do slin, DNP, etc. though.

 

[RagenMMA]

excellent post, sides vary dramatically by person for the same dose, which is why some of the "recommendations" need to be taken as that and start with a very low dose as you did, but were hit hard/bad anyway... I personally stay away from the research chem stuff too (no offense to any of the board sponsors), mostly because it's usually easy enough for me to get T-3/Clen in pharmaceutical form directly (although Mexico seemed to be out of T-3 when I was there a few months ago, and you can get fakes if you're not carefull). The dosing of these is also in micro-grams, so any slipup along the supply chain or in your own measuring could result in a dramatically different dose than advertised/expected.

100mcg T-3, and 160-180mcg clen does great things for me, but I always check the dosage of each batch # and start low if I haven't used it, my tolerance to differnt batches of Oxyflux can vary by 40 mcgs. Never had a problem with the T-3, but many years ago I remember Sofa George said he got a bad/fake batch of that in Mexico once, nothing is perfect or guaranteed in this business...

Never will do slin, DNP, etc. though.

I used various Research Chemical companies for over a year and had good results. I'm not trying to bash either, just saying if you can afford the real deal it's very much worth it. Besides, half that stuff tastes like rubbing alcohol. lol. I will say that with T-3 or Clen i'd stick to tablets and even then you should start out with really low dosage like you mentioned.