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Deadlifts - the most misunderstood exercise?

thebigoz

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If I had to pick one exercise that is so commonly misunderstood, I would have to pick deads.

It's amazing the amount of 'bodybuilders' and 'personal trainers' that have so many misconceptions about this exercise.

I have heard so many explanations about what deads actually target, it would make your head spin. From personal trainers trying to tell me that it won't target my lower back at all. and that it's purely a hammy exercise, to people confusing them with straight-legs deads - not knowing that multiple forms of deads exist.


I wonder though.... I see VERY FEW people doing deads whenever/wherever I train. I was an early adopter of deads when I first got into training and I am so thankful I made that move early on.

For the ridiculous benefits that it provides and the extreme - almost ALL body - workout that it gives you, I find it amazing that it isn't a part of absolutely EVERYONE's routine. I guess that can be put down to the amount of weekend warriors out there.



I'd be interested to hear what other tales people have been spun about deads over the years.
 
ya, every time I deadlift at any gym I always get people in awe as soon as that third plate goes on the bar, and even more in awe when that 4th plate goes on. Imagine what they would do if they saw someone actually lift real weight...

People never deadlift and if they do 2 plates a side is heavy, even if they are a 260lb guy. When I start a new gym I always have people come over and say "doesn't that hurt your lower back". Or they will ask me what the deadift works, and never believe me when I say everything, including Bies, traps, entire back.

Every once in a while some young guy will listen to what I say and start deadlifting himself.

The reason people don't deadlift or when they do deadlift it's not heavy at all, is the same reason people don't squat (or do a full ATG squat), it's hard fucking work! People are lazy, they only want the "burn" when they do curls or other gay shit. They don't want to do any real lifting because it is 10x as hard as doing 50 sets of curls and calling it a good work out.

This is one of the reason we ahve so many bad information about squats and deadlift being harmful, personal trainers teaching half assed squats calling it good form. These lazy people that don't want to do the work spread these rumors about how bad the lifts are for you so that have an excuse not to do them. An entire billion dollar industry has been made off of these peoples laziness. All the hammer strength machines, the cable machines, all the machines that try and mimic free weight exercised, but allow you to sit on your ass because people are too lazy to do the real thing.

There's that point when the deads and squats get so heavy that you truly feel like there is no way it is going up, and you're going to collapse. most people will stop way before that and never really lift heavy. Squats and deads are what separate the men from the boys.... and then there is strongman training, lol
 
DJ, I believe you are correct in assuming very few people want to lift HEAVY weight. Even Ronnie Coleman said everyone wants to get big but no one wants to lift heavy ass weight. However, to a select few of us there is a special feeling that comes with feeling EVERY fiber in your body strain as you do a deadlift(especially something like a 3 rep max!) and that feeling is what separates us from the rest.

I don't lift for show, but I was in the gym one time warming up w/ 225 on deads and the guys were gawking and looking, telling the girls how unsafe I was. The best part about it was when I did a zercher deadlift w/ 225lbs!! You want to make someone pass out from stress, do a zercher deadlift!!!
 
squats, deads, bench, an dips are where its at. i also see and hear the dumbest things about them in the gyms.
 
ya, every time I deadlift at any gym I always get people in awe as soon as that third plate goes on the bar, and even more in awe when that 4th plate goes on. Imagine what they would do if they saw someone actually lift real weight...

People never deadlift and if they do 2 plates a side is heavy, even if they are a 260lb guy. When I start a new gym I always have people come over and say "doesn't that hurt your lower back". Or they will ask me what the deadift works, and never believe me when I say everything, including Bies, traps, entire back.

Every once in a while some young guy will listen to what I say and start deadlifting himself.

The reason people don't deadlift or when they do deadlift it's not heavy at all, is the same reason people don't squat (or do a full ATG squat), it's hard fucking work! People are lazy, they only want the "burn" when they do curls or other gay shit. They don't want to do any real lifting because it is 10x as hard as doing 50 sets of curls and calling it a good work out.

This is one of the reason we ahve so many bad information about squats and deadlift being harmful, personal trainers teaching half assed squats calling it good form. These lazy people that don't want to do the work spread these rumors about how bad the lifts are for you so that have an excuse not to do them. An entire billion dollar industry has been made off of these peoples laziness. All the hammer strength machines, the cable machines, all the machines that try and mimic free weight exercised, but allow you to sit on your ass because people are too lazy to do the real thing.

There's that point when the deads and squats get so heavy that you truly feel like there is no way it is going up, and you're going to collapse. most people will stop way before that and never really lift heavy. Squats and deads are what separate the men from the boys.... and then there is strongman training, lol

Jim Wendler on deadlifts.....

"If you were to put me on a deserted island and allowed me to do one exercise, I would pick the deadlift. Also, since I suck at the deadlift no one would see how bad I was at it. No other lift works more muscles than the deadlift. The irony is that few people do this lift and when they do, it’s “for reps” or for “form work” so they don‘t hurt their back. These terms are code for “pussy”. Yes, I did just say that, but let’s be honest and call a spade a spade. So you must pull and you must pull heavy"

I love the bold part and your post remained me of this DJ. Here's the article/thread this came from....

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/w...-lifting/how-do-i-develop-my-yoke-617916.html
 
, it’s “for reps” or for “form work” so they don‘t hurt their back. These terms are code for “pussy”. Yes, I did just say that, but let’s be honest and call a spade a spade... heavy[/B]"

Nice! he seems like my kind of guy, no beating around the bush, no sugar coating things, call a spade a spade. Code for "pussy", I love it!


Thanks for the link, I'll have to read it soon, that is if I am not banned for calling a spade a spade ;)
 
I agree, DJ. It's funny, because I get so much more satisfaction out of lifting a big weight for 3-4 reps than hammering out 10-12 reps of something lighter.

Even if you're doing a 1-rep or 2-rep max, just pushing through that rep gets me so pumped up. For me, that's the best way to go up in weight. If you don't get a feel for that weight, even for 1-2 reps, then you can get caught off guard when trying for a new max.


I love that quote from Jim Wendler. Pure gold.
 
I heard guys whispering behind my back saying "That guy is stupid. He thinks that pulling as much weight of the floor as he can is gonna get him huge."

I just smiled and kept going.

The funny thing is, I am way bigger than they are already.


People really make me laugh.
 
I heard guys whispering behind my back saying "That guy is stupid. He thinks that pulling as much weight of the floor as he can is gonna get him huge."

I just smiled and kept going.

The funny thing is, I am way bigger than they are already.


People really make me laugh.

lol...I just walk up to them and kindly ask if they want to take it outside, with a smile offcourse....
 
I heard guys whispering behind my back saying "That guy is stupid. He thinks that pulling as much weight of the floor as he can is gonna get him huge."

I just smiled and kept going.

The funny thing is, I am way bigger than they are already.


People really make me laugh.


What scares me is when so called 'personal trainers' are the people saying it. I have seen that occur plenty of times.

Some of these guys run through a 6-week course and call themselves a qualified trainer. Scary to think that they are dishing out advice to the masses.
 
I heard guys whispering behind my back saying "That guy is stupid. He thinks that pulling as much weight of the floor as he can is gonna get him huge."

I just smiled and kept going.

The funny thing is, I am way bigger than they are already.


People really make me laugh.

I loved this quote. I've heard it way too many times myself as well.
 
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

The deadlift.

I love it so much I am actually rubbing one out right now just thinking about my next DL day.

B-
 
What scares me is when so called 'personal trainers' are the people saying it. I have seen that occur plenty of times.

Some of these guys run through a 6-week course and call themselves a qualified trainer. Scary to think that they are dishing out advice to the masses.

you know what else is scary? A Trainer at my gym with a 4 year degree came up to me and told me if i keep squatting deep i will fuck up my knees. He said my form was perfect besides my depth, so now everytime i see him he gives me dirty looks. Really is ridiculous but i just shrug it off. I almost decided to argue with him but my credentials are 1 month lifting experience so i figured that regardless of what i said (and who i heard it from) it would go in one ear and out the other..
 
Since I hurt myself doing deads I can help but to have a sick feeling on my stomach before doing my last set.

TODAY it's deadlift day :evil:
 
djeclipse... the part where you say adding that 3rd and then the 4th plate is so true... people just stare at it like wtf wtf wtf... ive seen people walk in between my sets and look at the bar and stare... trying to figure who's using it (because im accross the gym at the water fountain)... and when they see me walk up (i lift @148) i get even more wtf... almost every routine i get people watching... before i even start my lift
i love deadlifts... without them i would have remained a pussy... and kept doing set after set of different curl variations... thanks to deadlifts i have grown from 112lb to 150+... that is a huge increase on my small frame...
i feel sorry for those that do not deadlift... they are truly missing out on so much...



...i am a masochist... and the deadlift is my first love...
 
If I had to pick one exercise that is so commonly misunderstood, I would have to pick deads.

It's amazing the amount of 'bodybuilders' and 'personal trainers' that have so many misconceptions about this exercise.

I have heard so many explanations about what deads actually target, it would make your head spin. From personal trainers trying to tell me that it won't target my lower back at all. and that it's purely a hammy exercise, to people confusing them with straight-legs deads - not knowing that multiple forms of deads exist.


I wonder though.... I see VERY FEW people doing deads whenever/wherever I train. I was an early adopter of deads when I first got into training and I am so thankful I made that move early on.

For the ridiculous benefits that it provides and the extreme - almost ALL body - workout that it gives you, I find it amazing that it isn't a part of absolutely EVERYONE's routine. I guess that can be put down to the amount of weekend warriors out there.



I'd be interested to hear what other tales people have been spun about deads over the years.
I love you!
 
What scares me is when so called 'personal trainers' are the people saying it. I have seen that occur plenty of times.

Some of these guys run through a 6-week course and call themselves a qualified trainer. Scary to think that they are dishing out advice to the masses.


That is grown to be my biggest lifting pet peeve. Shitty trainers teaching shitty lifting because they took some shitty course, or have some other worthless credential. See this thread for reference

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/w...squats-led-interesting-phone-call-652767.html
 
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

The deadlift.

I love it so much I am actually rubbing one out right now just thinking about my next DL day.

B-
I once had a dream that 4 naked Megan Foxs were sitting on barbell and I repped it like 10 times. It was great.
So in my mind, I've actually begun to refer to my weight on Deadlifts in increments of Megan Fox. For example on my June 3, 2009 workout I repped 3 Megan Foxs 5 times. It was a PR and it felt great.
 
I once had a dream that 4 naked Megan Foxs were sitting on barbell and I repped it like 10 times. It was great.
So in my mind, I've actually begun to refer to my weight on Deadlifts in increments of Megan Fox. For example on my June 3, 2009 workout I repped 3 Megan Foxs 5 times. It was a PR and it felt great.

I bet Megan Fox feels real great.

B-
 
All I know is that I would hit it like a barn door in a tornado on a bed of broken glass in front of my wife and her divorce attorney.

B-

I would stick my dick through a broken window pane just to hear her piss in a tin cup over a walkie-talkie. lol
 
If I had to pick one exercise that is so commonly misunderstood, I would have to pick deads.

It's amazing the amount of 'bodybuilders' and 'personal trainers' that have so many misconceptions about this exercise.

I have heard so many explanations about what deads actually target, it would make your head spin. From personal trainers trying to tell me that it won't target my lower back at all. and that it's purely a hammy exercise, to people confusing them with straight-legs deads - not knowing that multiple forms of deads exist.


I wonder though.... I see VERY FEW people doing deads whenever/wherever I train. I was an early adopter of deads when I first got into training and I am so thankful I made that move early on.

For the ridiculous benefits that it provides and the extreme - almost ALL body - workout that it gives you, I find it amazing that it isn't a part of absolutely EVERYONE's routine. I guess that can be put down to the amount of weekend warriors out there.



I'd be interested to hear what other tales people have been spun about deads over the years.

i think the younger generation of lifters are getting the hint on deadlifts.

all the kids at my college gym do some form of deadlifts.

see soemone deadlifting at least 3 plates probably every time im at the gym
 
I"m getting alot of tension in my right arm between my bicep and my forearm, I think it's from deadlifting, is this because my arms may be carrying some of the load.. It happened last week as well, thought it was Doms but after doin deads today it's back.. I'm using an alternate hand grip, think I should use the Hook Grib to clear this up? BTW, I didn't switch my grip I guess I probably should, Right hand in Left out..
 
I"m getting alot of tension in my right arm between my bicep and my forearm, I think it's from deadlifting, is this because my arms may be carrying some of the load.. It happened last week as well, thought it was Doms but after doin deads today it's back.. I'm using an alternate hand grip, think I should use the Hook Grib to clear this up? BTW, I didn't switch my grip I guess I probably should, Right hand in Left out..

A few things....

The most important thing would be for you to make sure your arms are fully extended with no bend before pulling the bar from the floor. Our brains are hardwired to pick shit up with our arms. This is not good when DLing. Probably why you are feeling this tension.

Hook grip is great, but not for everyone. Try them out and see how it feels. It will hurt like a bitch at first. Use them for your warm up sets then switch to an over under or straps for you're heaviest sets. It is best to alternate the over under grip each set imo.
 
A few things....

The most important thing would be for you to make sure your arms are fully extended with no bend before pulling the bar from the floor. Our brains are hardwired to pick shit up with our arms. This is not good when DLing. Probably why you are feeling this tension.

Hook grip is great, but not for everyone. Try them out and see how it feels. It will hurt like a bitch at first. Use them for your warm up sets then switch to an over under or straps for you're heaviest sets. It is best to alternate the over under grip each set imo.


Thanks alot boss.. Gotta be smarter than my brain sometimes.. lol..
Try and give ya some K..
 
deadlifting is bad for your back and you wont get swole doing them... i hate deadlifts ugh waste of time


























;) did anyone buy that?
 
I love how one exercise can cause DOM's in more than 1/2 my body.

I'm not sure I'd call some a pussy for DL a higher reps. I've deadlifted anyway between singles and 20 reps and its all exhausting if done at ur max
 
Sounds like you need to join a better gym.

Although I can't really talk. Today there were eight people attempting squats, myself included. Some with a LOT of weight on. One little dude had 3 plates on each end. Some older guy had two.

Anyway, none of them did much more than a half squat. Except me. Thanks to all of you.
 
The first time I ever did deadlifts I was convinced because of the extent of sore muscles the next day, even my a$$ was sore!
 
The first time I ever did deadlifts I was convinced because of the extent of sore muscles the next day, even my a$$ was sore!


I remember when I first started deads, also. The next two days it felt like my entire lower back was fused together, hahaha.

Deadlifts make you a better person....it's scientifically proven.
 
The first time I ever did deadlifts I was convinced because of the extent of sore muscles the next day, even my a$$ was sore!

Not only that, but within 5 weeks I had gained another 7 pounds and put stretch marks on my biceps. I was sold 200% at that point.
 
Not only that, but within 5 weeks I had gained another 7 pounds and put stretch marks on my biceps. I was sold 200% at that point.

how did u do them (rep range, sets, frequency) to get some extreme results.

I use lifting looks so I guess that minimises a lot the stress on the arms (I know its wussy, I prefer maximizing the load on my back/glutes/legs/traps)
 
how did u do them (rep range, sets, frequency) to get some extreme results.

I use lifting looks so I guess that minimises a lot the stress on the arms (I know its wussy, I prefer maximizing the load on my back/glutes/legs/traps)


No straps, just gloves to avoid caluses because I also drum in a rock band so I can't have torn up hands for that. Grip 'n rip. I also started doing 5 sets and 5 reps (after 3 warm up sets) with all the same weight, not increasing with lighter to heavier like the conventional 5X5 program is set up. All heavy sets. I do this once a week is all.

I just bumped the weight up more and more each week because I responded so well. I also realized how much of a factor intensity plays in them. Most guys don't pull like they are doing it to save their life.

Not only did I get stretch marks on my biceps, I also got deep, long, thick stretch marks on my groin on both sides. My legs are covered in stretch marks now.

If I do deadlifts, I grow really fast. The only reasons I take a break every so often is because of a sustaining back injury I have and to avoid stretch marks. I just do leg presses instead on those weeks off to increase leg power. I feel the leg press allows you to really learn how to generate maximum power from your legs because you can put so much weight on them. There's nothing else involved but legs. You can't put 1000+ pounds on your legs with a squat or a deadlift.




My body is good for pulling. Not so much for benching. I can out pull guys that can out bench me by 75 pounds and I can max about 325. I can't bench for crap. My body type is not set up for putting up big bench numbers.

I have a damn strong back and legs though, so when I started deadlifts, that big weight was responded to very well by my body.
 
Ok 5x5 sets is a lot. U must have excellent lower back recovery.

BTW, I'm assuming from your bio that Neil Peart is your drumming idol - matching his chops yet lol

No straps, just gloves to avoid caluses because I also drum in a rock band so I can't have torn up hands for that. Grip 'n rip. I also started doing 5 sets and 5 reps (after 3 warm up sets) with all the same weight, not increasing with lighter to heavier like the conventional 5X5 program is set up. All heavy sets. I do this once a week is all.

I just bumped the weight up more and more each week because I responded so well. I also realized how much of a factor intensity plays in them. Most guys don't pull like they are doing it to save their life.

Not only did I get stretch marks on my biceps, I also got deep, long, thick stretch marks on my groin on both sides. My legs are covered in stretch marks now.

If I do deadlifts, I grow really fast. The only reasons I take a break every so often is because of a sustaining back injury I have and to avoid stretch marks. I just do leg presses instead on those weeks off to increase leg power. I feel the leg press allows you to really learn how to generate maximum power from your legs because you can put so much weight on them. There's nothing else involved but legs. You can't put 1000+ pounds on your legs with a squat or a deadlift.




My body is good for pulling. Not so much for benching. I can out pull guys that can out bench me by 75 pounds and I can max about 325. I can't bench for crap. My body type is not set up for putting up big bench numbers.

I have a damn strong back and legs though, so when I started deadlifts, that big weight was responded to very well by my body.
 
Deadlifts are for the mentally insane.

And I mean that with the utmost respect.
 
Ok 5x5 sets is a lot. U must have excellent lower back recovery.

BTW, I'm assuming from your bio that Neil Peart is your drumming idol - matching his chops yet lol

Yeah buddy, Neil Peart is the Bomb. I was watching his "Anatomy of a Drum Solo" DVD last night even.

I can play most RUSH songs. My drum set is even huge like his, lol.
 
I feel the leg press allows you to really learn how to generate maximum power from your legs because you can put so much weight on them. There's nothing else involved but legs. You can't put 1000+ pounds on your legs with a squat or a deadlift.


1000 pounds on the leg press...isn't 1,000 pounds. Maybe more like squatting 3-5 plates a side...at the very most.
 
i've seen someone push 12 (total) plates on the leg press for high reps, then attempt a 135 lbs squat, only to be crushed. True story.


It definitely is a different movement for sure. Problem is, the pressure placed down my spine while squatting causes severe pain in my back to th epoint I can't walk.

I will be able to develop my legs as far as I need them to go with deadlifts and leg press.

Don't get me wrong though, until I got injured, squats were my love for leg days. If I could still do them, I most definitely would.
 
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It definitely is a different movement for sure. Problem is, the pressure placed down my spine while squatting causes severe pain in my back to th epoint I can't walk.

I will be able to develop my legs as far as I need them to go with deadlifts and leg press.

Don't get me wrong though, until I go tinjured, squats were my love for leg days. If I could still do them, I most definitely would.

I think the point is that leg press weight and true squat weight don't correlate at all.

Most of the time someone that can do a shit load of weight on the leg press machine can't squat any decent weight to save his life. But someone that can squat a shit load of weight is able to leg press a shit load of weight as well.

I understand that your back situation sucks but unfortunately there is no substitution for the squat.
 
I think the point is that leg press weight and true squat weight don't correlate at all.

Most of the time someone that can do a shit load of weight on the leg press machine can't squat any decent weight to save his life. But someone that can squat a shit load of weight is able to leg press a shit load of weight as well.

I understand that your back situation sucks but unfortunately there is no substitution for the squat.

They definitely don't correlate. I can leg press well over 1000 pounds, but can squat 1RM about 33% of my leg press weight for reps of 10+.


The thing with squats is that it involves so much more of your body, and especially the core involvement is very beneficial for functional strength improvement. It is a much better excercise than the leg press for stimulating growth hormone production and overall growth in your body.

Definitely no substition there.


I am just glad I can still do DL's or I would be very sad.
 
They definitely don't correlate. I can leg press well over 1000 pounds, but can squat 1RM about 33% of my leg press weight for reps of 10+.


The thing with squats is that it involves so much more of your body, and especially the core involvement is very beneficial for functional strength improvement. It is a much better excercise than the leg press for stimulating growth hormone production and overall growth in your body.

Definitely no substition there.


I am just glad I can still do DL's or I would be very sad.

How is it that you're able to do dseadlifts but no squat?

And ya, it would really suck not being able to do squat or deadlifts. 2 of the best exercises period.
 
How is it that you're able to do dseadlifts but no squat?

And ya, it would really suck not being able to do squat or deadlifts. 2 of the best exercises period.

The weight on my shoulders presses right down my spine. I have a bad herniated disk in my lumbar and it gets reinjured if I put more than 255 on the bar.

I can, for whatever reason, deadlift heavy with basically zero pain.


I was confused about it myself but that's just what I am stuck with I guess.

I throw in some light squat work eveyr once in a while, but it just isn't the same.
 
Anyone who deadlifts is ok in my book!
 
Also seen someone who does sets of 225 smith squat. Try to squat 135 free, only to be crushed.

I'm not sure if its our smith machine, but I can squat free weight more than I can on a SM. The load on my back feels uncomfortable on a SM if a go deep and heavy
 
Smith Machine Deadlift?? You've got to be kidding me.. That's a morons at the gym thread right there.. Goes up there with curling in the squat rack..
 
Smith Machine Deadlift?? You've got to be kidding me.. That's a morons at the gym thread right there.. Goes up there with curling in the squat rack..


Pretty sure he said SM Squat...not deadlift...?

Even so - Smith Machine = lame.
 
What scares me is when so called 'personal trainers' are the people saying it. I have seen that occur plenty of times.

Some of these guys run through a 6-week course and call themselves a qualified trainer. Scary to think that they are dishing out advice to the masses.


Damn, my course was not timed, open book and took a couple hours...and Im certified
 
They definitely don't correlate. I can leg press well over 1000 pounds, but can squat 1RM about 33% of my leg press weight for reps of 10+.


The thing with squats is that it involves so much more of your body, and especially the core involvement is very beneficial for functional strength improvement. It is a much better excercise than the leg press for stimulating growth hormone production and overall growth in your body.

Definitely no substition there.


I am just glad I can still do DL's or I would be very sad.

Sucks that you can't squat but at least you can dead!

Also on the leg press depending on the angle of the rails at most you're doing about 60% of the loaded weight(unless you have a vertical leg press). So if you have 1,000lbs of weight you actually are only moving 600 or so. Plus be careful of going deep on leg press as this is going to hurt you back even worse even though you probably don't feel the damage being done.

Cheers,
Scotsman
 
Anyone who deadlifts is ok in my book!

Reading this thread the past week has really inspired me to start deadlifting again. I haven't done it in years. Actually I never worked my legs much because I was in the Marines and we ran so much.

Well gents let me tell you that when I was finished each set of deadlifts I thought I was gonna die. I could hardly breathe. I was sweating way more than the squats I did earlier. I'm surprised that I didn't puke.

Now my entire lower body is sore as hell, but I'm gonna deadlift every week from now on.

My only advise for guys who want to start deadlifting is to use some light weight for the first month. Do a lot of stretching, and get some advil.
 
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