How much is too much

[EXTREMEBOWHNTR]

Whats up everyone....

As most of you know Ive recently gotten into the Gym. I work out 4 days and cardio 5. Im seeing good results and pleased with my progress. Ive been doing this for the last month. Now here is my question I want to go more. I cant get enough. I just started doing cardio twice a day but i want to lift more. Id like to go six days of lifting and 6 days of cardio twice a day. Is this too much??????????

On my days off Im sitting in front of the Tv and asking myself why the fuck are you sitting here when you could be at the gym. Please anyone help.

Thanks

 

[dabuffguy]

If you are trying to build muscle mass, 2x/day cardio is going to hinder that progress.

1x per day cardio is plenty. especially if you are also lifting.

 

[WiggyWild]

I was going to post the exact same question because I'm in the exact same boat. I will some days run for 1200 calories and I'm sure that I'm losing a little muscle, but the fat is just sliding off.

I'm so satisfied that I even ate fast food today for the first time in over 2 months!

Do you guys think it would be better to split this cardio up instead of doing it all at once?

BTW my knees take a freaking pounding. I can't bring myself to do anything else though cause it take 3-4 times as long to burn the same amount of cals.

 

[timtim]

Whats up everyone....

As most of you know Ive recently gotten into the Gym. I work out 4 days and cardio 5. Im seeing good results and pleased with my progress. Ive been doing this for the last month. Now here is my question I want to go more. I cant get enough. I just started doing cardio twice a day but i want to lift more. Id like to go six days of lifting and 6 days of cardio twice a day. Is this too much??????????

On my days off Im sitting in front of the Tv and asking myself why the fuck are you sitting here when you could be at the gym. Please anyone help.

Thanks

double cardio sessions gets catabolic real quick. i would be careful with that. there is a whole cascade of effects that happen like increasing cortisol, slower recovery, and eventually overtraining/burnout. why not do cardio on your 3 non-training days? i would avoid the double cardio sessions though. theres too much of a good thing and that is it, unless youre getting ready for a show.

 

[EXTREMEBOWHNTR]

Thanks guys for the responses.......

Im at about 190lbs and about 22%bf I was going to try and get down to about 180-185 and get down to about 10-14% bf. Sorry i left it vague...... What do you guys think about the weights 5-6 days?????

 

[dabuffguy]

If you are 22% BF and trying to get lower, I would take a good look at your diet. Pounding tons of cardio and weights will not get you the desired results without a good clean diet.

 

[ExtraMile]

Im the same, my off days are spent infront of the computer or doing homework or shit like that and I always want to hit the gym, on gym days I have to concenrate on not thinking about goin in school cuz otherwise Im too excited and cant concentrate. It sucks dick I wish I could go 7 days a week lol

 

[Jocques Straap]

I like people like you with such strong motivation.

There are some concerns with overtraining, when you are exercising as much as you plan. However, if your program is structured appropriately, then you should be fine for the short term. Eventually you will need to rest and slow down a little.

If you feel like you should go to the gym, and want to go, then go. There is always something you can do to improve. And if you're got the motivation then go for it.


On a side note, if you haven't added flexibility training, to go along with your cardio, and weights you should do so. Stretching sucks, it's physically painful, time consuming, and results can be slow, but it is truly necessary if you want a healthy body.

 

[cmarcell]

A couple of things.

1. To the guy who said his knees are taking a pounding. Stop running so much and hop on the elliptical. Some studies show its a better workout, and it doesn't kill your knees. I'm not saying stop running. But switch it up every workout. You'll still see great results while keeping your knees in better shape.

2. 5 days a week is the maximum amount of days most of our bodies will be able to handle without the aid of steroids. 6 days lifting and 6 days of cardio twice a day is way too much. Your body will just wear out over time, and it may end up being counterproductive. Cardio 6 days a week may be fine, but once a day. With that much cardio you're better off lifting 3-4 days a week.

3. Where do you guys get so much time on your hands to lift 6 days a week, and do cardio 12 times during the week. I mean, taking into account preping, doing your lifting, doing your cardio, doing your cardio again, showering...I mean, that's got to be like 3-4 hours each day. I have to stay on top of things to get in my 4 workouts a week. Just curious.

 

[cmarcell]

One last thing.

I've seen great things about Omega's Lipoflame and Lipostim3 products. And I myself have taken the Amplify02. I think you might be best off just buying this stack, lifting with a good routine, and doing cardio 5 times a week, no more than once per day.

And eating a high protein, low carb diet. Clean it up.

No need to do that much to get the results you want.

 

[WiggyWild]

I don't believe in supplements I think they are silly. I could spend prolly $80 on lipostack and amplify or go buy some clen, and either some T3 or 10g of test. I got it like that.

But then when I go over to the steroid forum I'm told to get my diet and lifting in line which it most certainly is. My liver functions perfect and I'm 24 years old. I'm tempted to jump on the bandwagon, but after losing 9 lbs and putting 80 lbs on my squat in 6-7 weeks I figure why not run with that for a while.

I think people should start being as cautious with supps as they are with roids.

BTW do you know what ephedrine is used for in the hospital? It's given to people who have lost extreme amounts of blood to raise their blood pressure.

I would argue that running around with a high peripheral blood pressure and your heart pounding at 120bps is just as dangerous as taking some clen.

BTW cmarcell that was in no way directed at you. You have a valid point that those supps prolly will boost performance in someone who want's to be 'enhanced' rather than roided. I just had to vent!

 

[dabuffguy]

I don't believe in supplements I think they are silly. I could spend prolly $80 on lipostack and amplify or go buy some clen, and either some T3 or 10g of test. I got it like that.

Yeah, and Clen and t-3 won't ever fuck anybody up and never has. T-3 toys with your body's thyroid and natural metabolism. Clen targets your central nervous system. Neither of those sound dangerous at all.



But then when I go over to the steroid forum I'm told to get my diet and lifting in line which it most certainly is. My liver functions perfect and I'm 24 years old. I'm tempted to jump on the bandwagon, but after losing 9 lbs and putting 80 lbs on my squat in 6-7 weeks I figure why not run with that for a while.

I think people should start being as cautious with supps as they are with roids.

Most supplements aren't harmful even when taken in high doses. You overdose on t-3 or clen and you get serious issues. You over dose on creatine and you might get an upset stomach. You overdose on testosterone that really isn;t that dangerous either. You shoot 2ml instead of one, you're not really going to hurt anything.

BTW do you know what ephedrine is used for in the hospital? It's given to people who have lost extreme amounts of blood to raise their blood pressure.

I would argue that running around with a high peripheral blood pressure and your heart pounding at 120bpm is just as dangerous as taking some clen.


Really? So, someone with high blood pressure running on a treadmill is as dangerous as taking nervous system stimulants and synthetic thyroid hormone?

BTW cmarcell that was in no way directed at you. You have a valid point that those supps prolly will boost performance in someone who want's to be 'enhanced' rather than roided. I just had to vent!

blech

 

[cmarcell]

Yeah I have to second what dabuffguy just said.

 

[WiggyWild]

I get your point, and I do agree with most of it. T3 is definitely dangerous. But clen more so than ephedrine?

Clen is a more potent and longer lasting beta agonist while ephedrine stimulates all adrenergic receptors. They are both CNS stimulants. This means ephedrine is more likely to increase blood pressure, and increase cardiac output (heart beat and volume), for the same amount of thermogenic / lipolysis effect. Throw in the potentiating effects that caffeine and aspirin have on cell signaling pathways, and E's adrenergic properties are increased substantially. Now your heart is having to work a shit ton harder to get the same amount of blood to your muscles, and your increasing your risk of an aneurism or tachycardia greatly. This risk only increases more if you're on a treadmill.

Changes in blood pressure can stir up a clot and take one of those to the heart or brain and your dead (stroke or heart attack) instantly.

Not to mention that you're probably increasing your risk of heart disease later in life.

Are these things going to happen at a normal level? No you're probably just fine or at a slightly greater risk. But if you're going to take both substances over the limit I say ephedrine wins (klls) hands down.

Furthermore, test and especially pills can fuck up your liver and they greatly increase your risk of heart attack.

GH increases your risk of cancer.

Creatine made my legs fall asleep while running, and if I would have continued I could have done nerve damage. Although in most people it is safe.

We'd all like to think that we are living a healthy body building lifestyle. If your definition of health is current system performance then yes we are. If your definition is life longevity, yes we are much healthier than many, but no where near where we could be.

A physiology professor once told me that long distance cycling is the healthiest exercise you can do.

Don't take that rant personal bro. I just had to rock the boat a lil bit.

 

[dabuffguy]

I get your point, and I do agree with most of it. T3 is definitely dangerous. But clen more so than ephedrine?

Clen is a more potent and longer lasting beta agonist while ephedrine stimulates all adrenergic receptors. They are both CNS stimulants. This means ephedrine is more likely to increase blood pressure, and increase cardiac output (heart beat and volume), for the same amount of thermogenic / lipolysis effect. Throw in the potentiating effects that caffeine and aspirin have on cell signaling pathways, and E's adrenergic properties are increased substantially. Now your heart is having to work a shit ton harder to get the same amount of blood to your muscles, and your increasing your risk of an aneurism or tachycardia greatly. This risk only increases more if you're on a treadmill.

Changes in blood pressure can stir up a clot and take one of those to the heart or brain and your dead (stroke or heart attack) instantly.

Not to mention that you're probably increasing your risk of heart disease later in life.

Are these things going to happen at a normal level? No you're probably just fine or at a slightly greater risk. But if you're going to take both substances over the limit I say ephedrine wins (klls) hands down.

Furthermore, test and especially pills can fuck up your liver and they greatly increase your risk of heart attack.

GH increases your risk of cancer.

Creatine made my legs fall asleep while running, and if I would have continued I could have done nerve damage. Although in most people it is safe.

We'd all like to think that we are living a healthy body building lifestyle. If your definition of health is current system performance then yes we are. If your definition is life longevity, yes we are much healthier than many, but no where near where we could be.

A physiology professor once told me that long distance cycling is the healthiest exercise you can do.

Don't take that rant personal bro. I just had to rock the boat a lil bit.

It's all good. Nothing taken personal.

When you said you could grab some t-3 and clen for the same price as liposhred stack, it was a completely unfair comparison in the sense that the level of danger of the two are completely different. T-3 and clen could mess you up by accident. Arguably, so could the liposhred stack if you completely and pruposefully abused it by taking way too much thinking the "more the better" applied.

I've been using the liposhred stack at the recomended protocol and it has been kick ass for me.

Haven't used clen or t-3 for the very reason of it being much more of a risk.

 

[timtim]

I get your point, and I do agree with most of it. T3 is definitely dangerous. But clen more so than ephedrine?

Clen is a more potent and longer lasting beta agonist while ephedrine stimulates all adrenergic receptors. They are both CNS stimulants. This means ephedrine is more likely to increase blood pressure, and increase cardiac output (heart beat and volume), for the same amount of thermogenic / lipolysis effect. Throw in the potentiating effects that caffeine and aspirin have on cell signaling pathways, and E's adrenergic properties are increased substantially. Now your heart is having to work a shit ton harder to get the same amount of blood to your muscles, and your increasing your risk of an aneurism or tachycardia greatly. This risk only increases more if you're on a treadmill.

Changes in blood pressure can stir up a clot and take one of those to the heart or brain and your dead (stroke or heart attack) instantly.

Not to mention that you're probably increasing your risk of heart disease later in life.

Are these things going to happen at a normal level? No you're probably just fine or at a slightly greater risk. But if you're going to take both substances over the limit I say ephedrine wins (klls) hands down.

Furthermore, test and especially pills can fuck up your liver and they greatly increase your risk of heart attack.

GH increases your risk of cancer.

Creatine made my legs fall asleep while running, and if I would have continued I could have done nerve damage. Although in most people it is safe.

We'd all like to think that we are living a healthy body building lifestyle. If your definition of health is current system performance then yes we are. If your definition is life longevity, yes we are much healthier than many, but no where near where we could be.

A physiology professor once told me that long distance cycling is the healthiest exercise you can do.

Don't take that rant personal bro. I just had to rock the boat a lil bit.

besides hear say, do you have any studies that support gh causing cancer? ive heard the rational behind the concept yet have seen no literature to support it.

injectible test fucking up the liver? absolutely not. in fact, the liver is able to process so much test you probably couldnt take enough to have it even register as stress on the liver.

creatine made your legs fall asleep? who pin pointed the creatine as the culprit?

 

[EXTREMEBOWHNTR]

My diet is in check and i am taking lipoflame!!!!! Good shit... Thanks OMEGA... My body fat was at 22% 1 month ago when i first started and i havent checked it since then but i can tell im down by just looking in the mirror. I think im going to go cardio 6 days once a day and weights 5 days.

Thanks for all the input!!!!!!!!!!!!!!