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Help! Natural test levels are 112 & Im 26!

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bpsqdl1111

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hey everyone,

went to the dr b/c I needed to get a reg. check up and get some bloodwork done and whatnot. So, found out that my natural test levels are only 112! These levels were taken at 8am, so they should be at there highest. I am getting ready to compete and my lbm is 243lbs. I am 26 years old, and have never taken any steroids/prohormones. Dr doesnt believe me so they are running a test just to make sure. fucking irratiting b/c at this point, there would be no reason to lie. i have an mri scheduled here in a few weeks, b/c he felt my prolactin level was high...it was 17.2 which normal is 17.1...my glucose levels and everything else are fine.

I have a dr that I am friends with, so I will be getting some AAS to bump my levels up. My questions are what would be the best for getting them up there...I am looking forward to having kids, and my stats are 5'7'' 347lbs @ 29% body fat.

Would love some help b/c I dont know this arena really whatsoever. Thanks guys!
 
I would wait for other test before bumping AAS to bring levels up. Its always a good idea to get a second bloodtest from Dr. and/or a diffrent one to get second look at your results.Having kids is important but I would wait though to see if there is an existing reason WHY your levels are low. At 112 NG/DL Test level and your 26 years old is a concern. Those levels are extremely low and puts up a red flag. I'm 36 years old, currently on Test-HRT program and my levels were 346. MAke sure you get all possible tests done such as thyroid,etc. IMO, I would see a diffrent Dr that specializes in HRT or an Endo.
 
yeah bro don't get on aas yet.

get the dr. to figure out why you are hypogonadal.

do you drink/use drugs (particularly painkillers/opiates?)

if it isn't because of lifestyle choices (i doubt it's that b/c you/d have to be married to the needle to get test levels that low) then you may have a pituitary issue and possibly some type of cancer or thyroid issue. potentially something life threatening, so don't mess around and be persistent with the DR. to get to the root cause of the issue.

if after serious and intense investigation he diagnoses you as just hypogonadal without a cause you'll get a script for TRT and problem solved, fertility is another issue but there are options there too, you can go off TRT when it's time for kids and they'll give you clomid or hmg or something to boost sperm count or you can freeze some sperm now before you go on.

and if it's a pituitary problem then your sperm count will likely be low anyways and you may not be fertile at this point, in which case clomid/nolva/an aromatase inhibitor will be the only way to give you a normal sperm count.
 
10001110101 said:
yeah bro don't get on aas yet.

get the dr. to figure out why you are hypogonadal.

do you drink/use drugs (particularly painkillers/opiates?)

if it isn't because of lifestyle choices (i doubt it's that b/c you/d have to be married to the needle to get test levels that low) then you may have a pituitary issue and possibly some type of cancer or thyroid issue. potentially something life threatening, so don't mess around and be persistent with the DR. to get to the root cause of the issue.

if after serious and intense investigation he diagnoses you as just hypogonadal without a cause you'll get a script for TRT and problem solved, fertility is another issue but there are options there too, you can go off TRT when it's time for kids and they'll give you clomid or hmg or something to boost sperm count or you can freeze some sperm now before you go on.[/quote]



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HCG will only offer a temporary solution. Clomid is chancy. Increases seminal fluid in some. Decreases it in others.

I'd start with the natural route. Use UNLEASHED. THAt'll help. THEN, concentrate on losing weight. Get your diet and training in order. 29% bf is high for a WOMAN. You MUST get in shape before even thinking about using gear.
 
Not diabetic, dont have issues with getting an erection, dont use any drugs of any sort, blood pressure is normal...I am an in shape out of shape person right now. I am dieting for a show on Aug 29th. I usually run about 18-21% body fat, unless I -am dieting for a show. This time, I was sloppier with my bulk, and neglected cardio. I can/have dropped my body fat from 29 to 7% for a show, but at 7% I never walked on stage b/c I knew I wasnt hard/lean enough. I know its high for a woman, but thats how I do things...may not be the best, and I am working on dieting for my show, and dont plan on being higher in the offseason than 15%.

I have spoken with many Dr's about this situation, specifically a Neuro Doc...he looked over my labs and said the possibility of a pit or cancer issue is a very very minute chance. Everything else that would show abnormal, came back fine.

Looks like I am just Hypogonadal...so what drugs will he put me on?

Any thoughts?
 
KeepinMyGains said:
10001110101 said:
yeah bro don't get on aas yet.

get the dr. to figure out why you are hypogonadal.

do you drink/use drugs (particularly painkillers/opiates?)

if it isn't because of lifestyle choices (i doubt it's that b/c you/d have to be married to the needle to get test levels that low) then you may have a pituitary issue and possibly some type of cancer or thyroid issue. potentially something life threatening, so don't mess around and be persistent with the DR. to get to the root cause of the issue.

if after serious and intense investigation he diagnoses you as just hypogonadal without a cause you'll get a script for TRT and problem solved, fertility is another issue but there are options there too, you can go off TRT when it's time for kids and they'll give you clomid or hmg or something to boost sperm count or you can freeze some sperm now before you go on.[/quote]



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How many months does your contest prep run like fucking 6???
you say your natural so it would take a long time to get in contest shape of 7% from 29%. very curious?
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Yeah, right about that. I know its not the best way, so I am working on changing that. This diet that I am on now will total 32 weeks.
 
after the docs have a go

maybe do 1-2 own versions of PCT then hop on Unleashed and Primordials Test Stack

if NO luck after then, then go to a REAL endocrinologist and get TRT at around 200-300 a week

200 MGS minimum, find a Doc and keep hunting one till they give you that dose.
 
they would recommend

an irresponsible BAD doc would say you are wrong for asking or you dont need it
an idiot doc would give nothing
stupid docs would recommend 1 shot 200 mgs EVERY 2 weeks of Test E or Cyp
a mildy dum doc would recommend 1 shot of 100-125 mgs a week of Test E or Cyp
a OK doc would give you 200 mgs a week
a Nice doc would give you 250 a week just cus you asked
a ok open minded doc would give you 200 mgs of Test a week with 50-100 mgs of deca

a SMART doc with and smart patient would give you 250-300 mgs a week of test E with 100-150 mgs of Deca and ALSO a script of Aromasin
 
I have a doc that I am friends with him, and have helped him out quite a bit over the years with some other stuff. I think he would give me the smart cycle, but I am worried if he doesnt, what is the best way to go about getting a doc to prescribe that. Seems like that would be the smartest cycle to run as well..

how would you run the aromosin omega?
 
Given I am new to the steroid deal, I hope I dont get nailed for asking about this cycle...

What about running test e @ 300/week
EQ @ 300/week
Winny Depot @ 50/day

My thoughts were winny to help with my higher body fat, eq since I think it may be safer long term than deca ( am i wrong there ) and test of course to get shit going .
 
Hey dude, you really should go see an endo. Like others said it may be a pituitary issue. Nuro's don't diagnose that stuff they just read the MRI's and operate. Did you get your FSH and LH tested? It could be just a result of your weight/lifestyle/rec habits. But I speak from experience, I found out about my pituitary tumor the same way. Low test, LH & FSH. It's worth it to find out, starting HRT at your age if you don't have to is not the path you want to take.
 
bro. i just had mine checked. it was 272 and normal is between 200 and 1000. i had ran very heavy cycles where i stayed on year round and did this for years. i havent done anything in 3 years and realized there was a problem when i started lookin at birds and butterflies too much. lol. but i can go ahead and tell ya that the gel route will be two pumps per day to get u at your required level. thats one bottle per month and if you have no ins. that will cover it. then that 1 bottle is 277 without a script.
 
To anyone who has a question about it, my FSH and LH levels are right on the lower side of normal. I am not happy about my situation at all, but if taking steroids is what I need, then so be it. I have attained 243lbm naturally with I guess now, low test levels. for how long they have been low, I have no clue. the odd thing is i exhibit no side effects of low test...does that strike anyone as odd?

So, I am hoping that my doc is open to my suggestions to what I feel I should run, based on your alls input.

A few ideas: test, eq, winny for 4 weeks at 50mg/day, arimidex...then pct.

Again, not looking to get blasted, just want some ideas on what I will ask for when I go to see him tomorrow.
 
bpsqdl1111 said:
To anyone who has a question about it, my FSH and LH levels are right on the lower side of normal. I am not happy about my situation at all, but if taking steroids is what I need, then so be it. I have attained 243lbm naturally with I guess now, low test levels. for how long they have been low, I have no clue. the odd thing is i exhibit no side effects of low test...does that strike anyone as odd?

So, I am hoping that my doc is open to my suggestions to what I feel I should run, based on your alls input.

A few ideas: test, eq, winny for 4 weeks at 50mg/day, arimidex...then pct.

Again, not looking to get blasted, just want some ideas on what I will ask for when I go to see him tomorrow.
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Dude, no offense but something is not right..having good sex drive at that level it's almost impossible for a male. My level was 250 and I couldnt do shit so I dont know I would check further
 
bro he wont give you a cycle, he may help you get TRT which is test replacement therapy to ameliorate your condition
 
Sorry guys this thread is strange, something is not right here!!! I dont know but just seems like some B.S. is lurking here. He is 26 with low test levels says he went to Dr for reg check up (nothing special) but he trains for competion and has never used steroids? Gets results that show low test levels??? WTF, ok first off if I trained for competion and my test levels where that low I would have a clue when I didn't want to work out and I wanted to chat with the girls at the salon more than train. He says he weighs 347lbs at 5'7" 29%BF Thats no where near bodybuilder status and if he is just 26 then when he turns 30 he will be 400lbs. This is his 1st post, I mean seriously I dont buy any of this. If you want to run a cycle and want advise just ask we are happy to help. If you have a medical question, ask but know this, we are not Dr's here (atleats most of us are not) we are practioners our knowledge comes from experience. You may very well have a problem but you are looking in the wrong place for the answer!!! This is my opinion and thats all it is.​

I believe honesty is the best policy when you want help in a place like this!!!​
 
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Sasqatch said:
Sorry guys this thread is strange, something is not right here!!! I dont know but just seems like some B.S. is lurking here. He is 26 with low test levels says he went to Dr for reg check up (nothing special) but he trains for competion and has never used steroids? Gets results that show low test levels??? WTF, ok first off if I trained for competion and my test levels where that low I would have a clue when I didn't want to work out and I wanted to chat with the girls at the salon more than train. He says he weighs 347lbs at 5'7" 29%BF Thats no where near bodybuilder status and if he is just 26 then when he turns 30 he will be 400lbs. This is his 1st post, I mean seriously I dont buy any of this. If you want to run a cycle and want advise just ask we are happy to help. If you have a medical question, ask but know this, we are not Dr's here (atleats most of us are not) we are practioners our knowledge comes from experience. You may very well have a problem but you are looking in the wrong place for the answer!!! This is my opinion and thats all it is.​



I believe honesty is the best policy when you want help in a place like this!!!​
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The only thing that I can agree with what you said, is this was my first post. Given my previous workload, being an owner and operater of a real estate company on the east coast, I was putting in way too many hours. I never really let my workouts go, but obviously, diet slipped, and I only have myself to blame. This will be my first show, but second time dieting down for a show. I stated previously that I started my last diet at 29% and only made it to around 7, which wasnt stage worthy.

The reason I went to the doc was b/c I am 26 yrs old and weight 344, measured today, and was overall worried that I could have things wrong. I wanted to make sure my BP was inline, glucose ok, cortisol fine, and whatnot..,.which everything was. I went to another doc for a second opinion, since the first doc wont finish anything until my steroid test comes back. The second doc asked what all has been going on with my life, etc. and said that his thoughts are that the higher BF and excess stress is what is affecting me. His thoughts. We ran specifc tests for the following: FSH/LH, prolactin, free test, and thyroid. He wants to rule out and proceed with decreasing stress and building the test levels back up.

I didnt say that I am in bodybuilder shape right now, but that is what I train for each and every day. I plan on being on stage around the 240's, so I feel happy that at 26 and naturally I have done that. I dont want to run any steroids if I dont have to...I dont have an issue, I just dont want em, not bashing. I also dont understand your comment on weighing 400lbs at 30 either. I am not out to bash you, so please dont make irrational statements like that. My body fat has always been higher, unless I diet. I wanted to bulk up with no regard to fat really. May not be the best way, but thats how I did it. I wanted to hit 300lbs, then decided I wanted a few more pounds. Eating 800-1000 carbs each day is an easy way to add some weight. I will be happy, once I have comp photos to post them if you would like to see them. Yes, I have fat on me, but given my long contest dieting, I am not worried about losing the weight or the comp. I have either 29 weeks, but the show I am promoting may get canceled due to having no location, or I have until Nov 14th in California.

I am sorry if you think I am full of bs, but honestly, I have far better things that I can be doing with my time, than fabricating some story on a forum where I dont know anyone. That makes no sense. I am not looking to get a rise out of anyone, I was posting b/c I was flipped out that my test levels were lower and the first doc, PA I mean, thinks tumor. Just added more stress than needed. Always great to seek second advice as he takes major life things into the situation. I hope that the blood work comes back fine, and I am just stressed out and fatter than I need to be. No biggie to me.
 
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