Biggest Regret

[dabuffguy]

im kinda glad to hear this man i was always so skeptical about the use of prohormones..todays PH may give great results but at what cost ? noone knows yet..ive always wondered if they are like the real thing or even better then them like some claim why the hell isnt everyone on this stuff..

Some of the "PH"s aren't PH at all, but are real steroids. they work well, are already active compounds and work just like the illegals. it's good shit.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Some of the "PH"s aren't PH at all, but are real steroids. they work well, are already active compounds and work just like the illegals. it's good shit.

The problem is, that's what they said about all the other stuff that tuned out to have negative sides.

Hey, cholesterol is a steroid. Using the name doesn't mean anything.

If there was a legal steroid that's remotely as safe and effective as an illegal one. I'd use it. I'm still waiting on that. Then again, I'm picky. I won't use EQ or tren because the sides outweigh the benefits IMO.

 

[BigBastard]

The problem is, that's what they said about all the other stuff that tuned out to have negative sides.

Hey, cholesterol is a steroid. Using the name doesn't mean anything.

If there was a legal steroid that's remotely as safe and effective as an illegal one. I'd use it. I'm still waiting on that. Then again, I'm picky. I won't use EQ or tren because the sides outweigh the benefits IMO.

I have never experienced any sides from EQ. And with tren only sweating. Have I missed something?

I´m with you on the deca-issue however, but my problem was only lack of interest, I could get hard if I had to.

 

[Varga]

This is a good thread Nelson....I might not agree with you in some of your views but I like the thinking behind this thread!
I got to admit that not being able to get it up for hot girl def sucks ass big time. At least now I know why you don't like deca

As for me, i don't regret anything I did. If I had to do it all over again I would have stuck with milder compounds at first for few years and kept cycles shorter then 12 weeks.

 

[lilj888]

I hate to see people make mistakes early on that'll cost them down the road. That's why it's always best to do less than more. Go shorter than longer. Use milder than stronger.

Although I'd probably be on HRT anyway at this point, I'd have to say there were a couple of things that may have exasperated the situation.

As careful and as conservative as I was with anabolic usage I'd have to say i made two big mistakes. One was using prohormones. I seriously believe they did more damage than anything else How permanent it was is anyone's guess. But I really wish I never listened to all the hype and I wish I never touched that shit.

The second was using Deca while dating a real hot girl and forever have her think I couldn't "man up." That sucked.

Live and learn.

(Well, at least some people do).

ya all of a sudden there is a hype of ph, when a few months ago everyone said there terrible. alot of ppl are loosing there credit to me on this board. they say one thing and then change it up and say another a week later.


i dont live without regrets and i dont live to forget. I live to learn from my mistakes. If i didnt i wouldnt get anywhere.

 

[dabuffguy]

ya all of a sudden there is a hype of ph, when a few months ago everyone said there terrible. alot of ppl are loosing there credit to me on this board. they say one thing and then change it up and say another a week later.


i dont live without regrets and i dont live to forget. I live to learn from my mistakes. If i didnt i wouldnt get anywhere.

I never even looked into or cared to look into the "PH"'s until recently, and I have got to say that havoc, cyclotren and monsterdrol are not PH's, they are steroids. Legal aas.

Monsterdrol is methylmasteron/oral masteron just like dbol is alkylated EQ. There's nothing more legit than that stuff. You wouldn't be disappointed with it at all.


Yeah, the illegal stuff is better than the legal due to the fact that we know lots about them and medical studies have been performed on them. Dbol/test will always be preferred by me over any legal stuff, but it doesn't mean some of the legal stuff is good shit.

 

[lilj888]

I never even looked into or cared to look into the "PH"'s until recently, and I have got to say that havoc, cyclotren and monsterdrol are not PH's, they are steroids. Legal aas.

Monsterdrol is methylmasteron/oral masteron just like dbol is alkylated EQ. There's nothing more legit than that stuff. You wouldn't be disappointed with it at all.


Yeah, the illegal stuff is better than the legal due to the fact that we know lots about them and medical studies have been performed on them. Dbol/test will always be preferred by me over any legal stuff, but it doesn't mean some of the legal stuff is good shit.

ya i see what ur saying, but if u had looked into them more u will find many posts about how bad PHs are. we have the same ppl that were saying how much ph's suck, saying how amazing they are now. Just type in the search prohormones (titles only), look at the threads a few months back, and you will see exactly what im talking about.

 

[dabuffguy]

ya i see what ur saying, but if u had looked into them more u will find many posts about how bad PHs are. we have the same ppl that were saying how much ph's suck, saying how amazing they are now. Just type in the search prohormones (titles only), look at the threads a few months back, and you will see exactly what im talking about.

Yeah, I see what you are talking about. Lots of guys saying don't waste your money, bad sides, no gains etc. They never really mentioned WHICH pro-hormones most of the time. Since before JAM came on here and carried some of these, people never used them. It sparked a lot of interest and the 3 that have reall been getting good reviews are havoc, cyclotren and monsterdrol/equivalent.

The thing is, the only 3 that people are really suggesting are the havoc, cyclo-tren and the monsterdrol/superdrol clones. I have used cyclotren and havoc stacked, and I can honestly say, I got surprisingly good gains with zero sides besides very mild acne on my shoulders. My dumbbell press went up 15 pounds per side on the run, which is like 35 pounds on bench in like 4 weeks once I added in havoc with cyclotren WHILE IN CALORIC DEFECIT! I didn't even get any nut shrinkage, and recovery has been a breeze. Feeling good, and have kept all of my gains. I actually have gained 2 pounds since going off. I'm leaner, heavier and stronger than before. Can't argue with results. I have a long log in the supps section.


Needto stands by monsterdrol, and I have 2 bottles on my dresser that I will be using. I can't comment from personal experiences, but needto-approved products are good to go.

 

[access]

ya all of a sudden there is a hype of ph, when a few months ago everyone said there terrible. alot of ppl are loosing there credit to me on this board. they say one thing and then change it up and say another a week later.

Amen..I will never do PH's. I don't begrudge those that do but not for me. There is just no research of real validity into any of this stuff. Not enough anyway that would convince to use them at this time. "Illegal" AAS has an enormous background of clinical research and study because it is used for the most part in a lot of legal ways. There are guys who have been using this stuff for many years so anecdotal eveidence also abounds to the rights and wrongs when using it.

 

[holzy3]

the past is just that.....the past. the only thing the past is good for is not making the same mistakes and remembering the good times. why dwell on it or wish you could change things when you cant. as far as using it to help people well only about 10% are going to listen anyway. plus, just because deca makes one guy limp it doesnt mean it will make the next guy react the same way. everyone has to live and learn and then move on and let it go. why dwell on negative bullshit anyway.............

reading and learning from other peoples experience is the only reason i come onto this board. i hazard a guess but i would suggest that it is why the board was setup in the first place. its not negative bullshit at all.