Inner Chest

[Seattleite]

I understand training to failure and beyond is what will help build muscle (with the addition of a proper diet), but at the same time

You can train to failure and past with flys, incline, decline whatever...

Yes, you can train to failure with other exercises, but for what reason? If the chest is used to being streesed with several hundred pounds more than you would be using with flyes, then new muscle growth is not going to result from those sets. The only reason you might "feel it more" during a fly is because it is an isolation movement.

Just because you can flat bench more weight then you can with say a db fly doesn't mean your chest is better off.

Better off in terms of what? Strength and size gains...absolutey. Someone previously said that flyes may help with injury prevention. If that is true, then they may be of some benefit there.

The incline is a good exercise, but it is not as good as the flat bench for chest development and it is not as good as the overhead press for shoulders. It's more of a happy medium between the two. In Mark Rippetoe's book he mentions that if you do both overhead and flat bench pressing, then there is no need to worry about inclines. Declines allow more weight to be lifted, but they are cheat lifts because the distance you have to move the bar is shortened.

 

[SaiBoT]

I had the same problem. I bought a pair of jump stretch bands for some powerlifting workouts I was doing. I was able to use those attached to each side of the cable machine to do chest flys. this built up my inner chest like no other ... close grip dumbell work will help to...do these with flat, incline and decline

+1 on incline and flat close grip movements for the inner pecs specially if done with a close grip. But only after you have paid your respects to the big ones, flat, inclined, and dips.

 

[Seattleite]

as far as incline is concerned...as long as your not going over 30* your shoulders aren't going to be playing a major role...anything above 30* I think you start to use more and more of your shoulders.

Well of course the higher you go the more your shoulders are involved until you reach a shoulder press at 90 degrees. The higher the angle, the less weight you can use because the shoulders gradually take over.

Most people do inclines because they believe it builds a huge "upper chest." That is probably still the most popular myth around gyms today. You can't isolate the upper chest from the middle or lower chest, so all an incline is doing is taking some of the load off of the chest and letting the shoulders handle a little bit. To build the chest, stick to a flat bench. To build the shoulders, do standing presses.

 

[SouthernLord]

Fuck guys. Can we all agree to disagree? Some of you guys need to see the big picture here. There are more ways than one to skin a cat.

 

[mwm5]

Fuck guys. Can we all agree to disagree? Some of you guys need to see the big picture here. There are more ways than one to skin a cat.

agreed, if you pull up youtube and watch videos of the biggest and baddest bodybuilders, i GUARANTEE 90 something percent of them are doing a fly movement, they wouldn't waste their time if it didn't do something construction. by no means are any of use the biggest baddest, but i bet on their way to the top they used most of the same movements

 

[drsketch]

agreed, if you pull up youtube and watch videos of the biggest and baddest bodybuilders, i GUARANTEE 90 something percent of them are doing a fly movement, they wouldn't waste their time if it didn't do something construction. by no means are any of use the biggest baddest, but i bet on their way to the top they used most of the same movements

Exactly. +111111111111111111

 

[SaiBoT]

Fuck guys. Can we all agree to disagree? Some of you guys need to see the big picture here. There are more ways than one to skin a cat.

I also agree! Even Mariusz Pudzianowsky does inclined presses and he is not the type of guy who goes to the gym to fuck around or chit chat...

 

[miplank]

Fuck guys. Can we all agree to disagree? Some of you guys need to see the big picture here. There are more ways than one to skin a cat.

I believe I already said "lets agree to disagree"...


I still don't understand his logic...


He says since more weight can be done on flat bench its better...


then he says declines allow you to do more weight because its a shorter distance...

therefore...wouldn't declines be the best chest excercise according to his logic?

Okay..now I'm just being a smartass...LOL

 

[annabolick]

hell yeah..you definitely have to get the big ones out of the way first...you have to get muscle first, than you can fuck around and try to cut it up!!!

 

[miplank]

OH NO YOU DIDN'T!!!!!


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