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This is a fucked up disturbing video. If you still shop at J.Crew after this...
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jenscats5
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If it's about their new fur line - there's no way I could watch it.......
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jenscats5
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All righty - I actually watched it & it made my cry........and I think I might puke....
DieselGunz
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jenscats5 said:
Same here and I am not afraid to admit it
i dont shop there but I PROMISE I will never either!
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jenscats5
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Here in my area - a Burlington Coat Factory was cited for selling coats trimmed in fur - the problem was the fur was labelled fox, rabbit, etc but was really German Shepard.
So very sad!
So very sad!
Razorguns
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I watched about 15 seconds of it. No way i want to watch what happens next...
Is there really a market for cat/dog fur??? I can't fathom ANYONE in the western world even daring to sell such a thing.
If i was walking down the street in china and saw that -- i'd probably be in a chinese prison. I assume this must be rural china/korea cuz no way would chinese businessmen dare american tourists/businessmen accidentally come across this.
Bad for business ya know.
Is there really a market for cat/dog fur??? I can't fathom ANYONE in the western world even daring to sell such a thing.
If i was walking down the street in china and saw that -- i'd probably be in a chinese prison. I assume this must be rural china/korea cuz no way would chinese businessmen dare american tourists/businessmen accidentally come across this.
Bad for business ya know.
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nutsnack
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thats fucking sick.. i hate cats but jesus christ why do that to another living creature
PrittyKitty
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I think I'm in shock! I actually feel sick! The image of that guy tearing the skin off that beautiful cat is going to stay with me for a very long time!
Razorguns said:
Most of our clothes are made in countries where dog & cat fur are no different than the cow/lamb skin we use for leather or fox/rabbit/mink fur. Also, its cheap.
The only reason why people are upset is because we mainly keep dogs & cats as pets. I don't hear anyone in this thread crying about the bunnies, chinchilas (sp?) or minks used for fur on coats made here in the States. Personally, I wouldn't want to wear dog fur, something tells me it doesn't smell well when wet.
That said, I need a new brown leather jacket & I am having a burger for lunch.
starfish said:
Should animals be treated more humanely? Yes. Do I have a problem with wearing fur, eating meat, etc.? NO
J.Crew makes there clothes in countries where dog & cat are eaten. Hence, using dog & cat fur is seen as the norm. Also, it is cheap for business. If they were using mink, would people cry. Would a thread have been created? (Oh, and BTW, Yes, I am a Republican).
No one complains about the animals used in laboratories to test medicine that will benefit them. How come one animal is cried for and others aren't?
You can't have it both ways. You can't get on your soapbox and cry for the dogs & cats and then wear your leather coat to work. Don't cry for the cats & dogs and go ooohh and ahhh over Diamonds that some 12 y.o. boy was maimed for because he didn't work fast enough at some mine in Sierra Leone. Don't cry for the cats & dogs and walk by a homeless person and not give them a few dollars. Don't cry for the cats & dogs and go I love that Ivory (whatever) and not shed a tear for the elephants poached in Africa.
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starfish said:
I never said, animals should not be treated humanely. Maybe you should have read my post, before you got on your soapbox. I was explaining the reason for the Dog & Cat fur. Also, the hypocrisy of the thread. Where is the thread for the bunnies, minks, cows, pigs, chickens, etc?
Oh, where is the thread for the children that work under horrible conditions that make the clothes you are probably wearing right now?
OH, I NEVER claimed to be a Christian.
Hiatussin
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I dont believe in animal rights. I think it´s a very hypocritical and lowly primary moral instinct without any reason or consistency.
I like eating meat, fishing, hunting, leather. Human rights are a big enough synthetic dogma already, animals is just pushing it.
That does not mean I like cruelty towards animals, I don´t feel a need for it. However I don´t oppose it either.
I didn´t see what was so shocking about that video. Good restaurants boil their lobsters alive every day, foie gras is made by tube-force-overfeeding geese until their livers explode, people organise fighting dog deathmatches to bet on, in the middle east they put bears on hot plates to make them "dance", cattle is prepared by construction line and refed the remains of its own species and loads of cream and oil that got past their expiry date.
Get over it. There is more important stuff to attend to.
The one thing I noticed in the video is that here and there these Chinamen are being cruel for the sake of it, it had no use that the shirtless guy kicked the box of cats a few times. Just means he´s probably kind of frustrated and unhappy.
I have a thick leather trenchcoat in size XXL that comes down to the ankles. I like the feeling of leather, especially its smell. I assume it´s beef from cows or bull that would be dead anyway. If it´s a series of dogs, all the same. What´s the hit on cows anyway? Who knows how sweet a cow could be if you treated it nice from birth and can look beyond its dull facial expression.
PETA is based only on the subjective basal association people have with big brown mammal eyes that can look at you. Looks kinda like a kid. Guess what, it´s not.
I like eating meat, fishing, hunting, leather. Human rights are a big enough synthetic dogma already, animals is just pushing it.
That does not mean I like cruelty towards animals, I don´t feel a need for it. However I don´t oppose it either.
I didn´t see what was so shocking about that video. Good restaurants boil their lobsters alive every day, foie gras is made by tube-force-overfeeding geese until their livers explode, people organise fighting dog deathmatches to bet on, in the middle east they put bears on hot plates to make them "dance", cattle is prepared by construction line and refed the remains of its own species and loads of cream and oil that got past their expiry date.
Get over it. There is more important stuff to attend to.
The one thing I noticed in the video is that here and there these Chinamen are being cruel for the sake of it, it had no use that the shirtless guy kicked the box of cats a few times. Just means he´s probably kind of frustrated and unhappy.
I have a thick leather trenchcoat in size XXL that comes down to the ankles. I like the feeling of leather, especially its smell. I assume it´s beef from cows or bull that would be dead anyway. If it´s a series of dogs, all the same. What´s the hit on cows anyway? Who knows how sweet a cow could be if you treated it nice from birth and can look beyond its dull facial expression.
PETA is based only on the subjective basal association people have with big brown mammal eyes that can look at you. Looks kinda like a kid. Guess what, it´s not.
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Ffactor
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nycgirl said:I never said, animals should not be treated humanely. Maybe you should have read my post, before you got on your soapbox. I was explaining the reason for the Dog & Cat fur. Also, the hypocrisy of the thread. Where is the thread for the bunnies, minks, cows, pigs, chickens, etc?
Oh, where is the thread for the children that work under horrible conditions that make the clothes you are probably wearing right now?
OH, I NEVER claimed to be a Christian.
People with an unusual compassion for animals have an extraordinary ability to do harm to fellow humans. I completely agree with you babe. While I don't condone cruelty to animals, if I go to a store and see what I like, I'll buy it, period. Don't care if its dog, cat, monkey, baboon or cow. I'm sure a lot of the psoters on this board would not think twice about purchasing clothes manufactured in sweatshops.
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The Shadow
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I made it through about 30 seconds...
really. save the cats, save the dogs, save the whales: i say nuke em all til they glow for jehova...
SAVE THE FRIGGIN HUMANS! Boo hoo, pussin boots got the short end. We shop at stores, the GAP, NIKE, AMERICAN EAGLE, URBAN OUTFITTERS... etc etc that use child labor in appalling conditions that are just about as forgiving as Guyanan Prison Camps.
I am not really suggesting its ok to kill cats for... well, maybe cats I am cool with... but my point is that our outrage is so diluted that the things we should make empowered, concerted consumer boycotts of go by the way side. I would be SHOCKED if more than maybe one person on this board maintained their outrage over this for more than five minutes.
Please. Prove me wrong. And shop with a conscience? maybe... but not likely.
SAVE THE FRIGGIN HUMANS! Boo hoo, pussin boots got the short end. We shop at stores, the GAP, NIKE, AMERICAN EAGLE, URBAN OUTFITTERS... etc etc that use child labor in appalling conditions that are just about as forgiving as Guyanan Prison Camps.
I am not really suggesting its ok to kill cats for... well, maybe cats I am cool with... but my point is that our outrage is so diluted that the things we should make empowered, concerted consumer boycotts of go by the way side. I would be SHOCKED if more than maybe one person on this board maintained their outrage over this for more than five minutes.
Please. Prove me wrong. And shop with a conscience? maybe... but not likely.
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jenscats5
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nycgirl said:
Ummmm - yeah - I'm just as disgusted by the minks & the chinchillas as I am with the dogs & cats being marketed for fur. While it's part of China's culture to eat dogs & cats & wear their fur - it's illegal to export said fur into the US & sell it under fraudulent circumstances - which does happen.
While I eat meat - I don't have a problem having a problem with the fur industry while still eating meat as I see a difference between the 2. That being said - there is no reason to treat animals (regardless of their use) cruelly & inhumanely. Also - production animals such as cows are 100% used - 'cept for the moo. ALL PARTS of the cow are used to make soap, shampoos, toothbrushes, coats, steaks, etc........nothing is wasted.
The fur industry is wasteful as the animals are not used for anything else OTHER than their fur AND there are many alternatives to fur. It's simply not necessary for someone who works in middle management, say, in New Jersey to wear a fur coat for the 50 yards they walk between their SUV & their office building. Now if they lived in a ten in the middle of Siberia - then I'd say they might need a fur coat to stay warm. Plus, the animals harvested for fur are treated cruelly and inhumanely.
Being on the top of the food chain as we are - we have a responsibility to speak for those who cannot speak for themselves.
Hiatussin
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Its a bunch of guys being mean to animals for moneyDeterass said:
we get flooded in this shit
clubbing seals, cutting trees that house all sorts of animals, the billions of cattle animals held in painful conditions worldwide. you´ve been living in fuzzy lalaland in your head if this shocked you.
I´m sorry if i don´t fit in your comfy care bears delusion.
Hiatussin said:
I don't think people are aware how much of our lives are dependent upon things that result in the death or "cruel" treatment of animals. Whether it is here or outside of the States.
I would bet a paycheck that if the people that get on their animal rights soapboxes got sick and the ONLY way to heal them was with medication invented by a company that treats their test monkeys, test cats, & lab rats, etc. cruelly, they would take that medicine and would careless about those animals. The funny thing is once healed, they would then form a protest against the company.
That said, I'm going out on a lunch date tomorrow. I will ask the manager of the restaurant to numb my lobster to sleep via a 5 minute rest in the fridge and take off the rubber bands so it can feel free like it did in the sea before the chef drops it in 212 degree water.
nycgirl said:
I am well aware of the circle of life and in fact animals eat other animlas for food. I see it all the time with work..as harsh as it looks.
There is a big difference in eating an animal for food....if raised and treated in a humane way and sporting a fur coat so you can try to look good walking down the street.
What an arrogant attitude....
Hiatussin
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Chauvinism is the core of identity.starfish said:
We all believe Americans are worth more than Africans. That´s why we pay welfare and medicaid to any bum just because he holds the passport(and even if he doesnt), while that same money would save hundreds of lives in the third world.
Its all arrogance. It makes sense in the Hobbesian kind of way
foreigngirl
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I couldnt finish watching it. Its disturbing looking at those sad bruised eyes
starfish said:
Wow, more name calling. Unless you can prove to me that, not an animal or HUMAN was harmed, or cruelly treated to produce every item you buy, drink, wear, eat, etc., I don't think you have the right to judge.
I've noticed you keep sticking with fur. I own cow & lamb skin coats as well (likely made in China).
Do you own any leather goods? Pocket books, bags, shoes, etc. Are you 100% confident that an animal was humanely treated to make those goods?
Do you drive a solar powered car? Is your home solar heated? Do you use an alternative fuel source?
Are you 100% confident that your clothes were not made by children or adults working in sweatshop conditions?
Are you 100% confident that your medication and/or supplements were not tested on animals living in unhumane conditions?
Do you own any Diamonds? Do you own any Gold or other precious stones? (No need to elaborate on these questions)
Are you 100% that the foods you eat were not picked by men, women, children that make probably .50 an hour?
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agreed....starfish said:
since when do people raise animals and abuse them break their legs,paws,ribs, etc so we could eat them??? i am sorry been on many farms and not one do they treat the animal terrible....they treat them as if they are a family pet.
people are stealing other peoples pets, treating them terrible, all so that some high class wanna be broad can look nice!!! that is purely disgusting and not needed...if buying a fur coat (knowing what these animals had to go through) is what it takes to make you think higher of yourself and your yuppie ways then you are sick...
yes NYCgirl we eat animals but they are not treated wrong...what about sheep for cotton? we use their fur yet do we brutilize them???? NO
JayC9
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that made for nasty viewing. the Chinese as a people are cruel anyways, life is cheap in Asia and it in no way surprises me to see that video. the video was wrong in so many ways but i'm going to have to agree with ChefWide's point in that humans are of more importance than an animal and there are far worse atrocities being committed around the world regarding humans than there are animals, humans being treat like animals. take the human organ market in Asia for instance where they kidnap men, women and children, feed them nothing but lemon juice to cleanse the organs and then slaughter them to sell on their organs. until humans learn to treat each other right, the animal kingdom will always suffer in this way.
hamstershaver
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why are you bringing these examples up in a cruelty against animals thread?nycgirl said:
this is a thread that people are arguing against cruelty to animals and you keep bringing up poor working conditions for humans
hamstershaver said:
I'm not the only that has brought them up. But how can we cry over this animal cruelty, when we don't blink an eye to the cruelty of humans. How can someone (in general) be against the cruelty of animals and then shop at the GAP? What about the HUMANS that suffer every day?
As I & Hiatussin already stated, animals are harmed everyday to produce the goods we consume. Whether its lumber for paper & trees, medication or supplements, etc.
I also brought up Lestat's point. If that was a mink or a fox would a thread have been created?
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Phaded
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this type of shit is always gonna go on.. and there is nothing we can do about it.. i prefer not to watch these types of videos because he just makes me cry like a single mother on welfare..
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Phaded
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like one time i watched a video of these 2 skateboarders going up to this stray dog and literally beating the fuck out of it with a skateboard and laughing.. i cried like a little school kid.. then started searching for those kids addresses because they had gotten arrested for it and i seriously wanted to beat the living fuck out of them with a skateboard.. it solves nothing watching videos like this 
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Phaded
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hamstershaver
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because the fact is there are plenty of people in the world that dont give a shit about cruelty towards humans, yet they do care about cruelty towards animals, why is that? i dunno, but we both know thats the case, if it wasnt the case you wouldnt have all the pro animal rights groupsnycgirl said:
do i have a problem with that? no
i dont see why that would make someone a hypocrite to be like that, yes i know you didnt say that word but it seems implied in your posts that someone would be a hypocrite if they dont care about human rights yet get offended if animals are tortured
Interesting thread.
There has to be a difference between "senseless" cruelty to animals (like the example of beating up the dog with a skateboard, sick fucks, glad they got arrested) and use of animals for human benefit.
In hundreds of millions of years, animals have never really contributed anything to the world to make it any better for themselves. They are even stupider than the stupidest of the New Orleans evacuees.
There has to be a difference between "senseless" cruelty to animals (like the example of beating up the dog with a skateboard, sick fucks, glad they got arrested) and use of animals for human benefit.
In hundreds of millions of years, animals have never really contributed anything to the world to make it any better for themselves. They are even stupider than the stupidest of the New Orleans evacuees.
Hiatussin said:
Pave the Earth!
Hiatussin
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Asphalt is more durable.MattTheSkywalker said:
I find it amusing to hear all the people whining about huge stats about how the rainforests make 80% of the oxygen and they´re being cut down with 30% a year (LMAO they´ve been saying that for decades, do the math, hippies)
Still the O2 content of the air is the same as 100 years ago. Rara.
rofl, i love ur attitude.- definately brings it to reality instead of waaa waaa lpoor animals.nycgirl said:
iam not against fur trade, im against the way they were treating the animals....they should just fuckin kill em right away, or treat em a bit nicer. killing for use is one thing, needless torture is another....when that dumbass droppkicked the dog, - c'mon like thats needed?- or having mesh crates with their limbs sticking out and dropping them off the tops of busses and shattering their limbs.
its more a concern for the humans who have no sense of compassion than the animals i guess....use their fur, but dont fuckin inflict needless pain and laugh about it to elevate your pathetic life
i threw a rock at a duck and killed it. if there is one thing in life i regret, it would be that.Ffactor said:
i love eating duck at restourants, but the fact that i did it needlessly and it took so long for it to die and it flapped around helplessly for so long.
i just think that if shit gets done, do it with a bit of compassion, no need to be an evil human being in order to get he fur and meat
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jenscats5
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Humans are self-reliant, self-sufficient & can (for the most part) take care of themselves. That's why humans have free will.
Again, there is a BIG difference between the humane raising of animals for slaughter for our basic survival needs --- ie food. And since the cow is already cut up for steaks, filet mignon, etc then we'll go right ahead & make us some new boots, a coat, make pet food, fertilizer, some toothbrushes, etc.....Same with pigs & sheep - they use the entire animal 'cept for the moo, squeal & Baa.
And since no one I know lives in the tunda in a tent with no heat or electricity there's no need for a fur coat with all the synthetic options available. The fur industry is simply an unnecessary industry who's sole purpose is the exploitation, mistreatment & cruel handling of animals for their skin & nothing else.
Willfull & purposeful mistreatment of animals is sick.
Oh and btw - I always kill my lobsters first before tossing them in the boiling water.
Again, there is a BIG difference between the humane raising of animals for slaughter for our basic survival needs --- ie food. And since the cow is already cut up for steaks, filet mignon, etc then we'll go right ahead & make us some new boots, a coat, make pet food, fertilizer, some toothbrushes, etc.....Same with pigs & sheep - they use the entire animal 'cept for the moo, squeal & Baa.
And since no one I know lives in the tunda in a tent with no heat or electricity there's no need for a fur coat with all the synthetic options available. The fur industry is simply an unnecessary industry who's sole purpose is the exploitation, mistreatment & cruel handling of animals for their skin & nothing else.
Willfull & purposeful mistreatment of animals is sick.
Oh and btw - I always kill my lobsters first before tossing them in the boiling water.
foreigngirl
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jenscats5 said:
amin to this
jenscats5 said:
Also no need for a 30 ounce steak when you can actually live on acorns. I prefer to live on tacos.
Hiatussin
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the purpose of the leather industry is not to be cruel, its to make money, like any industry. there´s a demandjenscats5 said:
I have btw never seen a synthetic leather shoe that looks or feels real.
You have to distinguish between not caring about animals and being out to hurt them
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jenscats5
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MattTheSkywalker said:
How much protein is in acorns?? Not enough I suppose.....
What about chili dogs?
jenscats5 said:
Never said it wasn't sick.
Unless your meat & dairy has been certified by the Humane Treatment of Animals Organization (and there is one because I did legal work for them; They stamp the packages with a rabbit in a circle symbol), I highly doubt the animals used for meat at stores like Costco and national supermarkets were treated humanely. Are we going to boycott that as well?
Most leather goods come from China and other Asian countries (unless its high-end goods), I doubt those animals were treated humanely as well.
Next question, everyone is complaining about this . . . Do you have a solution? How many people on this thread are going to volunteer with their local Animal Rights Organization?
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Hiatussin said:
I wasn't referring to synthetic leather - I was talking about alternatives to fur...... You're mis-understanding what I posted..
mekannik
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Was anyone on this thread ever born in China? Lived there? Experienced the level of poverty and restriction? Alot of us will condemn the people in the video calling them ignorant, vile, or inhumane. But the truth of the matter is - no one from America would trade places with anyone in that video to save some of those animals.
We are too busy complaining about $3/gallon for gas.
We are too busy complaining about $3/gallon for gas.
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jenscats5
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nycgirl said:
I donate regularly to the Humane Society - goods, products, money. I do what I can for the causes that mean something to me.
As for a solution.........the problem with society is bigger than one person's idelogical thoughts such as myself. The world has deteriorated into a complete lack of respect for other life - human or animal.
KillzwithPillz
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unreal, i cant watch that crap, that shit erks me to no end, id seriously take a bat in there and break all them guys leggs,,sad
I haven't and won't watch the video because I'm pretty sensitive in regards to cats and dogs.
I don't see a problem with using any animal for food. It seems pretty disgusting to eat cat and dog but that's the culture we were raised in.
Kill for food, no problem. Use animals for laboratory testing, go right ahead. Both of those are for the betterment of humans.
But fur? Seems pretty senseless to kill to be fashionable. Then again, I have no idea where the leather I wear comes from. I do assume that it comes from cows who are killed for food also. Can't imagine they'd kill a big ol' cow then throw away all the beef.
I don't see a problem with using any animal for food. It seems pretty disgusting to eat cat and dog but that's the culture we were raised in.
Kill for food, no problem. Use animals for laboratory testing, go right ahead. Both of those are for the betterment of humans.
But fur? Seems pretty senseless to kill to be fashionable. Then again, I have no idea where the leather I wear comes from. I do assume that it comes from cows who are killed for food also. Can't imagine they'd kill a big ol' cow then throw away all the beef.
Razorguns
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lol @ the people who can't tell the difference between a lowly rat -- and a cat/dog who have been human "companions" for thousands of years in almost every culture and civilization on the planet.
Hence their connection to humans elevates them in spirituality and closeness to us. It's why harm perpetuated onto them affects us in a way that's so hard to quantify. Instinctual, bonded, connected. Nature has provided a link between man and these creatures since the dawn of time.
3 y/o girl in front of a cat, pig, monkey and sheep. Guess who she'll run and hug. It's ingrained in us from birth to appreciate them more.
Therefore cats/dog > rats, sheep, pigs.
This is not even going into the discussion of what kind of mentality a person must possess in order to inflict this pain.
Hence their connection to humans elevates them in spirituality and closeness to us. It's why harm perpetuated onto them affects us in a way that's so hard to quantify. Instinctual, bonded, connected. Nature has provided a link between man and these creatures since the dawn of time.
3 y/o girl in front of a cat, pig, monkey and sheep. Guess who she'll run and hug. It's ingrained in us from birth to appreciate them more.
Therefore cats/dog > rats, sheep, pigs.
This is not even going into the discussion of what kind of mentality a person must possess in order to inflict this pain.
mekannik said:
Actually, China has a lot to do with $3/gallon for gas. I have employees there. Not in that in that biz though; they make software. And they do it humanely.
Is "humane" treatment of "animals" a contradiction?
jenscats5 said:
That kind of abdication of responsibility perpetutes the very things you criticize.
For what its worth, life expectancy for people is at an all time high, as is standard of living...so both quantity and quality of life have never been better.
I like tacos. I think you have to kill animals to make them. Bears, mostly. And pirates.
MattTheSkywalker said:
Don't forget India and United States (Yes, the United States) also have a lot to do with the current price of gas.
I would love to know how many people in this thread are going to make sure (or at least make an effort) that an animal was not treated cruelly to produce ALL or a majority of the goods they consume. Will there shopping habits actually change?
That could just as easily be the USA if the "business first" righties and libertarians get their way and all government restrictions on business practices are lifted. When profit is the only motive, businesses and corporations will do anything that will improve the bottom line. Ethics are a luxury they can't afford. We need regulatory agencies that are stronger than the entities they are regulating.
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jenscats5
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MattTheSkywalker said:
Don't you use those big words in that tone of voice with me Mister!!
But were the pirates treated humanely to produce your tacos?? What about chili dogs?? Does no one CARE about the chili dogs??
Mr. dB said:
Ah, yes, the dream of the government's moral immaculacy is alive with you.
Amazingly, business people are corrupt, they take shortcuts, they exploit people....but government people are the standard bearers for ethics. Right.
Put your head back in the sand.
MattTheSkywalker said:
That's why neither can be allowed to run rampant. Checks and balances.
But the corporate wonderland that economic conservatives envision would surely commit the grossest of human, animal, and environmental abuses if left unregulated in any way.
Razorguns
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nycgirl said:
Exactly. 20,000 people die in a pakistani earthquake, and half this country still doesn't even know it's happened.
Yet, 3,000 people die in NYC and everyone is sobbing and their lives stop.
Clearly there is a hierarchy of human importance in every human's eyes. I care about the suffering of my friend, but i could give a rat's ass about the suffering of some illiterate tribal jungle chief in some remote african village.
Animals have the same hierarchy.
Mr. dB said:
That's a mighty quick backtrack from
And there can be no checks and balances between business and government. Business has no power. Government has all the power.
The two most polluting nations in human history are the USSR and China. Interestingly, business had NO ROLE in any of that.
Property rights prevent pollution. Capitalism - imperfect as it is - recognizes the imperfections of people and allows for people to reach their potential because capitalism is based on property rights and voluntary interactions among people. Only this system can ever hope to be conisdered "ethical", because it does not default to some all powerful entity which holds moral authority while being filled with the same human shit that make up every other entity.
Walk to the light, dB.
Good debate here guys.
I enjoy eating meat. I like leather goods. I am not a huge fan of fur, but for certain things it is nice.
I don't think animals should be treated poorly, but in many situations, where you have animals raised and farmed for their meat or fur there is going to be some shit that happens.
This video shows something that happened in a different country, lets first start with that.
In other countries there are far worse things going on, not only to animals, but to people. Hell, look at Africa, people are starving to death. Look into their eyes, post a video of that, lets see who's crying.
I can't really take the time to comment on everything said in this thread, but check this out...
Think about the people who are all gung ho on PETA and who think animals need rights and shit.
These are, in most cases, the SAME FUCKING PEOPLE who argue AGAINST GMOs (Genetically Modified Organisms). We're talking about frost resistant tomatoes, crops that can be grown year round in soil that isn't as rich in nutrients.
Guess what you fucks, there ISN'T any way to field ALL OF THE EARTH'S inhabitants without pulling some genetic strings here.
There also isn't any way to provide all the meat that we consume without large scale farms.. we couldn't all eat free range chicken and cows even if we wanted to (and could afford it) beause there isn't enough resources to sustain it!
I enjoy eating meat. I like leather goods. I am not a huge fan of fur, but for certain things it is nice.
I don't think animals should be treated poorly, but in many situations, where you have animals raised and farmed for their meat or fur there is going to be some shit that happens.
This video shows something that happened in a different country, lets first start with that.
In other countries there are far worse things going on, not only to animals, but to people. Hell, look at Africa, people are starving to death. Look into their eyes, post a video of that, lets see who's crying.
I can't really take the time to comment on everything said in this thread, but check this out...
Think about the people who are all gung ho on PETA and who think animals need rights and shit.
These are, in most cases, the SAME FUCKING PEOPLE who argue AGAINST GMOs (Genetically Modified Organisms). We're talking about frost resistant tomatoes, crops that can be grown year round in soil that isn't as rich in nutrients.
Guess what you fucks, there ISN'T any way to field ALL OF THE EARTH'S inhabitants without pulling some genetic strings here.
There also isn't any way to provide all the meat that we consume without large scale farms.. we couldn't all eat free range chicken and cows even if we wanted to (and could afford it) beause there isn't enough resources to sustain it!
Big Rick Rock
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I have no problem with ANY animal being killed by somebody who plans to eat it's meat for food and use it's fur for making clothing. This is the way God and nature intended it from the start. That goes for ANY animal, evem cats and dogs. What I do not and will never agree with, is the treatment these animals are getting. There is no reason why the animlas are being kicked, beaten, dropped and mishandled.
If you must kill a dog to feed and clothe yourself then do it, but don't torture and brutalize the poor creature before you kill it.
-BRR
If you must kill a dog to feed and clothe yourself then do it, but don't torture and brutalize the poor creature before you kill it.
-BRR
I think animals should be killed humanely. Always. I've killed lots of little critters in a lab setting...all humanely.
But I've also done a lot of dissection of animals from places that took their fur. The first thing you do in a dissection is skin an animal anyhow. I'd rather work on animals than humans any day because you have to be so much more careful with human tissue. You learn more when you can really dig in. I know it sounds gross but it's necessary.
And anyone who says someone studying something medical should just use computer programs or watch videos scares me. I can play oregon trail but that doesn't mean I could probably handle heading out west in a wagon.
Everyone here knows I'm nuts about my dog. He's like a child to me. But I could wear a papillon coat and not feel guilty if they were raised for their fur and killed humanely.
But I've also done a lot of dissection of animals from places that took their fur. The first thing you do in a dissection is skin an animal anyhow. I'd rather work on animals than humans any day because you have to be so much more careful with human tissue. You learn more when you can really dig in. I know it sounds gross but it's necessary.
And anyone who says someone studying something medical should just use computer programs or watch videos scares me. I can play oregon trail but that doesn't mean I could probably handle heading out west in a wagon.
Everyone here knows I'm nuts about my dog. He's like a child to me. But I could wear a papillon coat and not feel guilty if they were raised for their fur and killed humanely.
bigmann245
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im sorry i even watched it. that is sick. and those people were doing it and laughing is just downright stupid.
HumanTarget said:
I've eaten rattlesnake. It was kinda tough.
mekannik
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Big Rick Rock said:
Out of order!! I would expect the divine rule posts to be coming from Curling, not you.
As for the debate - are we focusing on China's ethics/morals or American consumption of foreign produced goods? If the latter write your congressman/woman and boycott the stores. If it is the former, then this is just another case of America's superior moral compass being imposed on another culture.
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