This is a fucked up disturbing video. If you still shop at J.Crew after this...

[Ffactor]

Post up some beasteality pics so we can celebrate human/animal relationships.

 

[jenscats5]

That kind of abdication of responsibility perpetutes the very things you criticize.

For what its worth, life expectancy for people is at an all time high, as is standard of living...so both quantity and quality of life have never been better.

I like tacos. I think you have to kill animals to make them. Bears, mostly. And pirates.

Don't you use those big words in that tone of voice with me Mister!!

But were the pirates treated humanely to produce your tacos?? What about chili dogs?? Does no one CARE about the chili dogs??

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

That could just as easily be the USA if the "business first" righties and libertarians get their way and all government restrictions on business practices are lifted. When profit is the only motive, businesses and corporations will do anything that will improve the bottom line. Ethics are a luxury they can't afford. We need regulatory agencies that are stronger than the entities they are regulating.

Ah, yes, the dream of the government's moral immaculacy is alive with you.

Amazingly, business people are corrupt, they take shortcuts, they exploit people....but government people are the standard bearers for ethics. Right.

Put your head back in the sand.

 

[H_T_]

i wonder how offended everyone will be when they make a product out of people. PEOPLE!

 

[nycgirl]

i wonder how offended everyone will be when they make a product out of people. PEOPLE!

Now, now, "PEOPLE", that's to specific. Since cats > sheep > rats to some people, we all know that people will be broken down into a hierarchy as well.

That is when things will get very interesting. Maybe, it won't be a big deal until it affects them.

 

[Mr. dB]

Ah, yes, the dream of the government's moral immaculacy is alive with you.

Amazingly, business people are corrupt, they take shortcuts, they exploit people....but government people are the standard bearers for ethics. Right.

Put your head back in the sand.

That's why neither can be allowed to run rampant. Checks and balances.

But the corporate wonderland that economic conservatives envision would surely commit the grossest of human, animal, and environmental abuses if left unregulated in any way.

 

[Razorguns]

we all know that people will be broken down into a hierarchy as well.

Exactly. 20,000 people die in a pakistani earthquake, and half this country still doesn't even know it's happened.

Yet, 3,000 people die in NYC and everyone is sobbing and their lives stop.

Clearly there is a hierarchy of human importance in every human's eyes. I care about the suffering of my friend, but i could give a rat's ass about the suffering of some illiterate tribal jungle chief in some remote african village.

Animals have the same hierarchy.

 

[H_T_]

Now, now, "PEOPLE", that's to specific. Since cats > sheep > rats to some people, we all know that people will be broken down into a hierarchy as well.

That is when things will get very interesting. Maybe, it won't be a big deal until it affects them.

that was a Soylent Green reference. Tuesday is Soylent Green day.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

That's why neither can be allowed to run rampant. Checks and balances.

But the corporate wonderland that economic conservatives envision would surely commit the grossest of human, animal, and environmental abuses if left unregulated in any way.

That's a mighty quick backtrack from

We need regulatory agencies that are stronger than the entities they are regulating

And there can be no checks and balances between business and government. Business has no power. Government has all the power.


The two most polluting nations in human history are the USSR and China. Interestingly, business had NO ROLE in any of that.

Property rights prevent pollution. Capitalism - imperfect as it is - recognizes the imperfections of people and allows for people to reach their potential because capitalism is based on property rights and voluntary interactions among people. Only this system can ever hope to be conisdered "ethical", because it does not default to some all powerful entity which holds moral authority while being filled with the same human shit that make up every other entity.

Walk to the light, dB.

 

[Lestat]

Good debate here guys.


I enjoy eating meat. I like leather goods. I am not a huge fan of fur, but for certain things it is nice.

I don't think animals should be treated poorly, but in many situations, where you have animals raised and farmed for their meat or fur there is going to be some shit that happens.

This video shows something that happened in a different country, lets first start with that.

In other countries there are far worse things going on, not only to animals, but to people. Hell, look at Africa, people are starving to death. Look into their eyes, post a video of that, lets see who's crying.

I can't really take the time to comment on everything said in this thread, but check this out...

Think about the people who are all gung ho on PETA and who think animals need rights and shit.

These are, in most cases, the SAME FUCKING PEOPLE who argue AGAINST GMOs (Genetically Modified Organisms). We're talking about frost resistant tomatoes, crops that can be grown year round in soil that isn't as rich in nutrients.

Guess what you fucks, there ISN'T any way to field ALL OF THE EARTH'S inhabitants without pulling some genetic strings here.

There also isn't any way to provide all the meat that we consume without large scale farms.. we couldn't all eat free range chicken and cows even if we wanted to (and could afford it) beause there isn't enough resources to sustain it!