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[stevesmi]

yes! Ew, poke eod, thanks for the correction!

any recommendations on PCT?

think both mast and var are too much for first cycle?

the first time i ran a cycle i knew the dosages, knew when to pin, knew how long i was gonna run it, knew my pct. had an entire plan mapped out. now i'm not saying you don't but it seems you are all over the place and did not do enough research. part of your problem is exactly what you wrote above. running too many compounds. lets stick to 1 compound the first time, once you get more experienced we can start experimenting with more than 1. so learn everything about 1 compound and run it. masteron shouldn't be run by itself so lets forget that. you can run var alone for 6-8 weeks. or you can run test alone. i honestly think var is expensive for a newb, you can run dbol and save yourself a helluva lot of money. or better yet you can run something like katanadrol for 6 weeks and really enjoy it with very little sides

and also using steroids to cut body fat as a newb is silly. so as i said you want to get yoru body fat under 15% first. then from there you can focus on building muscle

it won't take you long to cut down to 15% if you are using that diet you wrote and you are exercising daily. its getting to 10% that is hard.. and then to 8% is downright difficult. you may never see under 10% and you might be a guy who sticks in the low to mid teens and likes to bulk up. really you have a lot of options, just a matter of figuring out what route you want to go

 

[decade82]

the first time i ran a cycle i knew the dosages, knew when to pin, knew how long i was gonna run it, knew my pct. had an entire plan mapped out. now i'm not saying you don't but it seems you are all over the place and did not do enough research. part of your problem is exactly what you wrote above. running too many compounds. lets stick to 1 compound the first time, once you get more experienced we can start experimenting with more than 1. so learn everything about 1 compound and run it. masteron shouldn't be run by itself so lets forget that. you can run var alone for 6-8 weeks. or you can run test alone. i honestly think var is expensive for a newb, you can run dbol and save yourself a helluva lot of money. or better yet you can run something like katanadrol for 6 weeks and really enjoy it with very little sides

and also using steroids to cut body fat as a newb is silly. so as i said you want to get yoru body fat under 15% first. then from there you can focus on building muscle

it won't take you long to cut down to 15% if you are using that diet you wrote and you are exercising daily. its getting to 10% that is hard.. and then to 8% is downright difficult. you may never see under 10% and you might be a guy who sticks in the low to mid teens and likes to bulk up. really you have a lot of options, just a matter of figuring out what route you want to go

the point of me joining the forum is help to get it mapped out. perhaps there should be a forum for experts only I read a lot of posts by people getting kinda hostile about topics. not what I wanna get involved in. Stevesmi, there some really valuable points you've made in there. thanks for the input the search continues

 

[Essie]

For a first cycle the suggested rule of thumb is to run test alone, like steve wrote. I do quite like the katanadrol suggestion ... Or perhaps a Test P @ 100mg EOD for 8 weeks and then PCT.

 

[notjake11]

the point of me joining the forum is help to get it mapped out. perhaps there should be a forum for experts only I read a lot of posts by people getting kinda hostile about topics. not what I wanna get involved in. Stevesmi, there some really valuable points you've made in there. thanks for the input the search continues

The forum isnt for experts only but it is expected that someone asking for help take the time to research and learn about the compounds they want to inject into theor bodies. There are literally hundreds if not thousands of threads on this forum discussing first cycles amd the various compiunds people can/should run for their first run.

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[stevesmi]

the point of me joining the forum is help to get it mapped out. perhaps there should be a forum for experts only I read a lot of posts by people getting kinda hostile about topics. not what I wanna get involved in. Stevesmi, there some really valuable points you've made in there. thanks for the input the search continues

again like i said.. pick 1 compound.. research the shit out of it. from what you wrote your choice is down to var or test (although var is way too expensive for a newb to mess with, oh well its still not a bad first cycle choice) . so research both. the thing with test is that there are different types of test esters. learn the differences. just like having sex for the first time, you obviously want to pop in some porn and learn some techniques from the pro's right? well this is no different.

do research.. if you still have questions then ask. do more research.. then ask ..

 

[El Hefe]

Your doing the right thing coming in here. Sometimes it's hard to research when half the data out there is bad. I even look back 4-5 years at old threads on this site and think "what the hell were they thinking". So your getting some help and info now an that's good.

Each board also kind of has its own style of etiquette too.

 

[bonacris]

We do want to help and were here to help but you need to have a general idea and then we can fine tune it for you.. know your doses, compounds, ancillaries pct and then post it.. it'll be rare that anyone gets it right the 1st time so we can help you done tune it and tell you what you should change etc. We don't like just handing someone a cycle because they need to have researched themselves 1st

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[decade82]

Thanks a lot guys!

I'm doing a lot of reading. I'm aware of the differing esters, which is why i selected test P for my cutting goals. I'm also not concerned about cost, and want the best stuff to get me to my goal, so annavar is for sure the way I'm going. I've used it before, and already bought my supply.

I'm also learning about differing board etiquette interesting social experiment, as much as this is a biology education. On the positive side, I get a strong sense of support and camaraderie among members, which is pleasantly surprising, and a positive energy that I resonate with.

At this point, I'm trying to get my bf down, currently 19% ! I see that i need to be 15% before I begin my cycle, so i have a lot more work to do and more time to read before I begin.

THANK YOU EVERYONE, respect