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Is god calling out to you?

The Genesis account of the woman more favorable than the account of the man imo,
Gotta ask, Cindy (and you know I love ya, sister, and I respect your personal study and opinions when it comes to matters of scripture) what do you think about Lilith?

CEO, do you think its morally wrong to believe that Jesus IS God...the same person? Does it make a difference who believes what?
See, I think that's exactly what pisses everyone off about Typo and people who feel/think the way he does: NOBODY has a problem with someone who is happy in their Christian beliefs, not even me. What I, and many others, do have a problem with is Christians who tell us that to believe otherwise is just patently wrong, i.e.:

When the worms begin to consume you're rotting flesh in its grave you will become aware of what you are blind to you will have no light it will be to late to listen to what I have revealed to you

If that isn't control through fear, I don't know what is.

The fact is, a spiritual revelation is personal, just as any other deeply held morality/philosophy. Hell, I had a spiritual revelation that brought me to Wicca. Yet MY spiritual revelation is irrelevant to someone like Typo. It doesn't count, because my revelation did not lead me to his philosophy :whatever: Therein lies the frustration, so you hit the nail right on the head.

Why does it have to be so exclusionary? "I'm right, ergo, EVERYONE else has to be wrong, period" end of discussion. Why is a voice or feeling that leads someone to Christianity true, and a voice that leads someone to worship at the altars of the old pagan gods or at a Buddhist shrine wrong?

Now, on a deeper level, you and I both know we're essentially talking smoke and mirrors, rose by any other name crappola (Biblical interpretation generally being watered down on top of the original material being highly symbolic), but you're very well read on the subject and you've read a lot more than "just one book." The encouraged narrowness of mind perpetuated in organized, monotheistic religion can be intensely frustrating. I've sincerely tried to grow beyond Christian bashing, and extend it to general organized religion bashing :lmao: but many Christians are frequent offenders: My God is the ONLY God neener, neener, neener when you rot in hell, infidel.

In the final analysis, my beliefs are just as valid as Typos, I just don't have a [single] really old, cool book :whatever:

Oh, and where I'm talking cruel, I'm thinking Hebrews wandering in the desert for 40 years because Moses doubted God, Job being used as a poker chip in a bet between God and Satan or Lot's wife turning into a pillar of salt just because she took a look back at all the commotion. That shit was just mean. Labor and delivery being painful because woman tempted man, please. You stick a couple of innocents in the middle of a garden and say "Don't touch that." What the hell is going to happen? Am I the only one thinking it was a set-up and that the reality is they were supposed to eat the apple (which, BTW, was probably a pomegranate or something like that, apples are not indigenous to the Middle East) and they were such putzes that they needed a push to get on with their emotional/psychological evolution?
 
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I respect your beliefs/opinions musclemom, I really do. I have many friends who all share different beliefs about god/religion.

Maybe it is all make believe and there is no god and we have nothing but this lifetime... But if someone wants to follow a manual for this life (the bible) that teaches you how to enjoy life through love, compassion and thanksgiving, I say that's not a bad idea.
 
CEO, do you think its morally wrong to believe that Jesus IS God...the same person? Does it make a difference who believes what?

I guess that depends. If Jesus isn't God, and the first commandment is true, then would not those who worship Jesus as God be guilty of idolatry? It would seem so, wouldn't it?

But by my standards? Who cares what I think? :)
 
[email protected] a joke...controls our world..wish people would just worry about their own lives and live it. Fuck you only live once..I'm not wasting my life on wondering if Jesus is God Lol...what a mess...is it going to get you into heaven? Fuck I'm pissed off now. I'll move this shit to the religion forum
 
[email protected] a joke...controls our world..wish people would just worry about their own lives and live it. Fuck you only live once..I'm not wasting my life on wondering if Jesus is God Lol...what a mess...is it going to get you into heaven? Fuck I'm pissed off now. I'll move this shit to the religion forum

I agree 100% with all of this... Except being pissed off!
 
[email protected] a joke...controls our world..wish people would just worry about their own lives and live it. Fuck you only live once..I'm not wasting my life on wondering if Jesus is God Lol...what a mess...is it going to get you into heaven? Fuck I'm pissed off now. I'll move this shit to the religion forum

Move to religion/AIDS/outdoor/espanol forum
 
Gotta ask, Cindy (and you know I love ya, sister, and I respect your personal study and opinions when it comes to matters of scripture) what do you think about Lilith?

See, I think that's exactly what pisses everyone off about Typo and people who feel/think the way he does: NOBODY has a problem with someone who is happy in their Christian beliefs, not even me. What I, and many others, do have a problem with is Christians who tell us that to believe otherwise is just patently wrong, i.e.:


If that isn't control through fear, I don't know what is.

The fact is, a spiritual revelation is personal, just as any other deeply held morality/philosophy. Hell, I had a spiritual revelation that brought me to Wicca. Yet MY spiritual revelation is irrelevant to someone like Typo. It doesn't count, because my revelation did not lead me to his philosophy :whatever: Therein lies the frustration, so you hit the nail right on the head.

Why does it have to be so exclusionary? "I'm right, ergo, EVERYONE else has to be wrong, period" end of discussion. Why is a voice or feeling that leads someone to Christianity true, and a voice that leads someone to worship at the altars of the old pagan gods or at a Buddhist shrine wrong?

Now, on a deeper level, you and I both know we're essentially talking smoke and mirrors, rose by any other name crappola (Biblical interpretation generally being watered down on top of the original material being highly symbolic), but you're very well read on the subject and you've read a lot more than "just one book." The encouraged narrowness of mind perpetuated in organized, monotheistic religion can be intensely frustrating. I've sincerely tried to grow beyond Christian bashing, and extend it to general organized religion bashing :lmao: but many Christians are frequent offenders: My God is the ONLY God neener, neener, neener when you rot in hell, infidel.

In the final analysis, my beliefs are just as valid as Typos, I just don't have a [single] really old, cool book :whatever:

Oh, and where I'm talking cruel, I'm thinking Hebrews wandering in the desert for 40 years because Moses doubted God, Job being used as a poker chip in a bet between God and Satan or Lot's wife turning into a pillar of salt just because she took a look back at all the commotion. That shit was just mean. Labor and delivery being painful because woman tempted man, please. You stick a couple of innocents in the middle of a garden and say "Don't touch that." What the hell is going to happen? Am I the only one thinking it was a set-up and that the reality is they were supposed to eat the apple (which, BTW, was probably a pomegranate or something like that, apples are not indigenous to the Middle East) and they were such putzes that they needed a push to get on with their emotional/psychological evolution?

Lilith? I don't see where she fits in besides maybe just being a spirit or angel of some sort. She was supposed to be Adam's first wife but I don't really read that stuff literally so I don't really see where she fits in. Even literally man and woman were Adam and they were equal. Adam having a wife doesn't even make sense really as they were one yet two. So, either Lilith was the woman and was the one that was manipulated by the serpent and then left because she didn't like the new rules then another woman was created and named Eve by Adam after the fall, I've just never been sure where she would fit because I don't see where she would get mad enough to leave or where the man would have authority to even piss her off. If anything, before "the fall" woman was better than the man being the crown of creation.

I agree with you on the Christians and eternity stuff. Funny sometimes I wonder...wow do I have to spend eternity with these people? Lol. Religion is going to attract the crocodiles. The predators. The wolves. Though, a lot of what I noticed in some of these "hateful" Christians is what I would compare more to a wounded bear. They are lashing out in fear for whatever reason. So, yeah you are exactly right.

I used to think that God was mean. I thought he was mean to Job, I never understood why he would do some of the things he would do. I had compassion and pity for Lucifier. I especially thought He was mean for being so cruel to Cain in that story (which makes me shudder now, I can't believe I thought that, ever) At the time though, I was like what the hell, he brought him some fruit and veggies and stuff..whatever... why couldn't He just accept that and say it was cool? I mean why not? Then, I mean he probably didn't mean to kill his brother...no one had committed murder yet. Maybe it was an accident. God is mean, he should have had mercy etc. This is what God ought to have done.. this is what I would have done..etc. Well, there is more behind the story to that and when I took a closer look and read between the lines I saw I was wrong. Each individual situation is different for me but wherever I found fault with God...usually after some introspection and soul searching and more thinking about the intent and motivations of each person, I realized I was very very wrong. Especially in that story, was I ever wrong. Lol. I'm too tired tonight to think about it any more...lol.

However, realizing I was wrong then doesn't automatically make me right now. :lmao:
 
I guess that depends. If Jesus isn't God, and the first commandment is true, then would not those who worship Jesus as God be guilty of idolatry? It would seem so, wouldn't it?

But by my standards? Who cares what I think? :)

Yes, Im asking what you think CEO. Lol.
 
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