Is god calling out to you?

[Typo]

I just had a sudden urge to make this thread knowing that someone is going to read it and know it's for them.
Sometimes when god is trying to get your attention you don't take notice and miss the whole thing.
The more you listen and look out for it the louder his msg becomes.

I truly believe I am writing this thread for someone, and that someone will hopefully now take more notice in the signs of god!

Typo

 

[jaybois]

I just had a sudden urge to make this thread knowing that someone is going to read it and know it's for them.
Sometimes when god is trying to get your attention you don't take notice and miss the whole thing.
The more you listen and look out for it the louder his msg becomes.

I truly believe I am writing this thread for someone, and that someone will hopefully now take more notice in the signs of god!

Typo

Now what?

 

[EarthRider]

That is good stuff, i believe God is always calling out to me, like you said we have to listen

 

[musclemom]

Which one??? Some of them can be downright pests.

 

[smurf2]

lolz!

 

[WoodyO]

 

[sterolizer]

No such thing as god

 

[cindylou]

shut up

 

[bigpokey]

god's calling out ER is a fagget

 

[smurf2]

replace "god" with anything else and you could be committed

 

[-SD-]

My Jacket calls out to me daily..."why have you shunned me? Why? Why???"

And i always think "because its texas in summer, and its just too fucking hot to wear a leather biker jacket"

Oh the betrayal!!!

 

[Evan Tipps]

I just had a sudden urge to make this thread knowing that someone is going to read it and know it's for them.
Sometimes when god is trying to get your attention you don't take notice and miss the whole thing.
The more you listen and look out for it the louder his msg becomes.

I truly believe I am writing this thread for someone, and that someone will hopefully now take more notice in the signs of god!

Typo

Im actually really glad I read this. Thanks man

 

[fbplaya]

I respect this quote, blessings to you brother!

 

[smurf2]

Has the purple people eater called out to you?

 

[wootoom]

ER your FB statuses are fucking childish...you are fucking weird

 

[bigpokey]

ER your FB statuses are fucking childish...you are fucking weird

ahahah post em up!

 

[onyxvex]

God is definitely keeping me in check. I love God. may we all seek nearness to Truth. may God bless us all and put us on a smoothed path of ease in this life forgive us for are sins and admit us amongst the righteous.

seek Truth

 

[smurf2]

You crazy motherfucker gtfo

 

[sterolizer]

I was raised a catholic, then around the age of 15, I saw past all the bullshit. Then I realized religion is the cause of all wars, and how corrupt it is in every way possible.

 

[musclemom]

Would somebody PLEASE tell me, WHICH FREAKING GOD ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE?!? Could we narrow down the pantheon at least? Greek? Roman? Celtic? Egyptian? Hindu? Voudon? Norse?

Specificity is required. There are certain gods you just don't want to give the free rein to fuck with your life, things could get very gnarly.













Yeah, yeah, I know, I know, O/P is either talking about the ancient Hebrew tribal god with the massive inferiority complex, Yahweh, or the Ascended Master Christ who is frequently, though mistakenly, referred to as a god, but I'm in pain over here people, let me have my little joke -- even if only one other person laughs.

 

[zwhit]

all sissies goin to hell

 

[mistaballoonhands]

I've gotta sudden urge to go rub out some knuckle babies

 

[onyxvex]

Would somebody PLEASE tell me, WHICH FREAKING GOD ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE?!? Could we narrow down the pantheon at least? Greek? Roman? Celtic? Egyptian? Hindu? Voudon? Norse?

Specificity is required. There are certain gods you just don't want to give the free rein to fuck with your life, things could get very gnarly.













Yeah, yeah, I know, I know, O/P is either talking about the ancient Hebrew tribal god with the massive inferiority complex, Yahweh, or the Ascended Master Christ who is frequently, though mistakenly, referred to as a god, but I'm in pain over here people, let me have my little joke -- even if only one other person laughs.

the one God who created all that is in the heavens and the earth who has no equal and is the Truth to all that is.

 

[sterolizer]

I'm about to throw up in here

 

[musclemom]

the one God who created all that is in the heavens and the earth who has no equal and is the Truth to all that is.

Ahhh. Yeah, that's not Yahweh or Jesus. In fact, THAT entity is so far beyond us that I (and many well learned people whom I deeply respect) believe it has as much interest in our day to day actions as we do in the actions of the bacteria in your average toilet. Sorry.

Seriously? Think about what you're saying for a second. The Grand Creator and Master Architect of the Universe gives the least hoot whether you, onyxvex, cheat on your spouse or taxes or who/what/where you pray to, if at all. Seriously? Do you really think something that could cause the universe to come into being is narrow minded, petty, shallow and has such a massive inferiority complex that the first commandment it gave Moses was "thou shalt have no other gods before me."

Here's a simple analogy: Imagine you work for a large corporation and you're just one of the working guys, lower management, max. Does the CEO of the organization even know you're alive? Yet you got God sitting there marking the rise and fall of every bird, bug, beast and fish AND 7 billion of us PLUS everyone else who exists that we don't know about, NOT TO MENTION, viruses, bacterium and other microscopic organisms. It's nuttier than the shit I believe!

 

[bigpokey]

kind of a weak analogy...

i feel you tho bro

 

[onyxvex]

At musclemom

I am sorry your heart is sealed.you are one of the feeble minded who wants someone to wipe your ass for you just because they can.well guess what you have to wipe your own ass. This sport of pursuing wealth and children is only an illusion a momentary delight what is to come is more real than anything you know.

When the worms begin to consume you're rotting flesh in its grave you will become aware of what you are blind to you will have no light it will be to late to listen to what I have revealed to you

 

[under-cover]

Would somebody PLEASE tell me, WHICH FREAKING GOD ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE?!? Could we narrow down the pantheon at least? Greek? Roman? Celtic? Egyptian? Hindu? Voudon? Norse?

Specificity is required. There are certain gods you just don't want to give the free rein to fuck with your life, things could get very gnarly.













Yeah, yeah, I know, I know, O/P is either talking about the ancient Hebrew tribal god with the massive inferiority complex, Yahweh, or the Ascended Master Christ who is frequently, though mistakenly, referred to as a god, but I'm in pain over here people, let me have my little joke -- even if only one other person laughs.

2
255. Allah. There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory).

256. Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.

 

[PICK3]

I've gotta sudden urge to go rub out some knuckle babies

butt u have a hawt wifey

 

[WoodyO]

2
255. Allah. There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory).

256. Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.

Welcome back

 

[under-cover]

Welcome back

what do u mean?

 

[WoodyO]

what do u mean?

Welcome to hell?

 

[under-cover]

Welcome to hell?

40
49. Those in the Fire will say to the Keepers of Hell: "Pray to your Lord to lighten us the Penalty for a day (at least)!"

50. They will say: "Did there not come to you your apostles with Clear Signs?" They will say, "Yes". They will reply, "Then pray (as ye like)! But the prayer of those without Faith is nothing but (futile wandering) in (mazes of) error!"

66
6. O ye who believe! save yourselves and your families from a Fire whose fuel is Men and Stones, over which are (appointed) angels stern (and) severe, who flinch not (from executing) the Commands they receive from Allah, but do (precisely) what they are commanded.

 

[princeofsin]

lolol

 

[Typo]

That guy pisses me off more than simply Dave, and Dave really pisses me off!

 

[WoodyO]

You have a poor attitude

 

[ceo]

At musclemom

I am sorry your heart is sealed.you are one of the feeble minded who wants someone to wipe your ass for you just because they can.well guess what you have to wipe your own ass. This sport of pursuing wealth and children is only an illusion a momentary delight what is to come is more real than anything you know.

When the worms begin to consume you're rotting flesh in its grave you will become aware of what you are blind to you will have no light it will be to late to listen to what I have revealed to you

how very elitest of you.

 

[[email protected]]

Something is sure the hell out there, but it ain't GOD!

Remember in the Bible when Jesus was dying on the Cross and so desperately called out to his Father for help?

Jesus was abandoned by GOD to die with two strangers that met the same fate.

GOD died with Jesus on the Cross.

 

[onyxvex]

At Jacks00blind

please read my above post it also seems to have you're name on it or are you just blind

 

[Typo]

Something is sure the hell out there, but it ain't GOD!

Remember in the Bible when Jesus was dying on the Cross and so desperately called out to his Father for help?

Jesus was abandoned by GOD to die with two strangers that met the same fate.

GOD died with Jesus on the Cross.

This does not even come close to making any sort of sense. God let Jesus to die for us. Jesus dying is the reason we are all free from sin in gods eyes. He Paid the price for us.

You guys have to remember this isn't a fairy tale. These happenings had witness'. Not just one but thousands witnessed Jesus preforming miracles! Whether you believe in god or not you can't deny the fact Jesus walked on this earth.

 

[smurf2]

This is like a group session on the psych ward

 

[cindylou]

This is like a group session on the psych ward

all of C&C not just this thread

 

[musclemom]

At musclemom

I am sorry your heart is sealed.you are one of the feeble minded who wants someone to wipe your ass for you just because they can.well guess what you have to wipe your own ass. This sport of pursuing wealth and children is only an illusion a momentary delight what is to come is more real than anything you know.

When the worms begin to consume you're rotting flesh in its grave you will become aware of what you are blind to you will have no light it will be to late to listen to what I have revealed to you

Gotta go with CEO on this one, elitist ... and might I add, not terribly Christian of you.

I've got a basic philosophy, if I'm wrong about the way the spiritual world works and the "heaven" camp is right, I'm not dreadfully motivated to spend eternity surrounded by a whole bunch of folks like you. Just saying Jesus was alright but his followers can often be downright snobs (granted, the same can be said of many religious movements).

If the universe was created by a singular intelligence, it doesn't prefer any one species of its creations over the other, never mind preferring one gender over the other, it wouldn't be threatened by spiritual philosophy or sexual preference, nor would it be petulant and cruel. Oh, and it wouldn't have a penis. If anything it would be of both sexes. If "God" created man in its own image then god is both male and female because men can't make babies by themselves *shrug*

Yahweh was an ancient Hebrew tribal god, like any of the other tribal gods. Jesus was human, not a god (personally I think he was an ascended master) and I think a lot of his messages got lost over the years, particularly the messages that threatened the power of Mother Church. I can easily see the council of Nicea sitting around a big table reading scriptures saying "We can't let the peons hear this crap, our tithes will drop and women will want equality. Toss that shit in the fire."

Your narrow minded beliefs have been shaped by centuries of control by a greedy, power hungry organization. The Bible is a contrivance, edited by ruthless humans, the whole religion evolved having over the centuries to perpetuate control through fear. Fear of hell, fear of retribution, fear of leaving the religion, fear of pain and death, fear of free thought. In short, fear of anything that threatens Christianity's streams of revenue

 

[sterolizer]

Gotta go with CEO on this one, elitist ... and might I add, not terribly Christian of you.

I've got a basic philosophy, if I'm wrong about the way the spiritual world works and the "heaven" camp is right, I'm not dreadfully motivated to spend eternity surrounded by a whole bunch of folks like you. Just saying Jesus was alright but his followers can often be downright snobs (granted, the same can be said of many religious movements).

If the universe was created by a singular intelligence, it doesn't prefer any one species of its creations over the other, never mind preferring one gender over the other, it wouldn't be threatened by spiritual philosophy or sexual preference, nor would it be petulant and cruel. Oh, and it wouldn't have a penis. If anything it would be of both sexes. If "God" created man in its own image then god is both male and female because men can't make babies by themselves *shrug*

Yahweh was an ancient Hebrew tribal god, like any of the other tribal gods. Jesus was human, not a god (personally I think he was an ascended master) and I think a lot of his messages got lost over the years, particularly the messages that threatened the power of Mother Church. I can easily see the council of Nicea sitting around a big table reading scriptures saying "We can't let the peons hear this crap, our tithes will drop and women will want equality. Toss that shit in the fire."

Your narrow minded beliefs have been shaped by centuries of control by a greedy, power hungry organization. The Bible is a contrivance, edited by ruthless humans, the whole religion evolved having over the centuries to perpetuate control through fear. Fear of hell, fear of retribution, fear of leaving the religion, fear of pain and death, fear of free thought. In short, fear of anything that threatens Christianity's streams of revenue

This^ every religion is corrupt

 

[Typo]

This^ every religion is corrupt

I agree, and that is why people should steer clear of religions and just stick with Christ and the word of god.

It's that simple guys!

 

[Typo]

Gotta go with CEO on this one, elitist ... and might I add, not terribly Christian of you.

I've got a basic philosophy, if I'm wrong about the way the spiritual world works and the "heaven" camp is right, I'm not dreadfully motivated to spend eternity surrounded by a whole bunch of folks like you. Just saying Jesus was alright but his followers can often be downright snobs (granted, the same can be said of many religious movements).

If the universe was created by a singular intelligence, it doesn't prefer any one species of its creations over the other, never mind preferring one gender over the other, it wouldn't be threatened by spiritual philosophy or sexual preference, nor would it be petulant and cruel. Oh, and it wouldn't have a penis. If anything it would be of both sexes. If "God" created man in its own image then god is both male and female because men can't make babies by themselves *shrug*

Yahweh was an ancient Hebrew tribal god, like any of the other tribal gods. Jesus was human, not a god (personally I think he was an ascended master) and I think a lot of his messages got lost over the years, particularly the messages that threatened the power of Mother Church. I can easily see the council of Nicea sitting around a big table reading scriptures saying "We can't let the peons hear this crap, our tithes will drop and women will want equality. Toss that shit in the fire."

Your narrow minded beliefs have been shaped by centuries of control by a greedy, power hungry organization. The Bible is a contrivance, edited by ruthless humans, the whole religion evolved having over the centuries to perpetuate control through fear. Fear of hell, fear of retribution, fear of leaving the religion, fear of pain and death, fear of free thought. In short, fear of anything that threatens Christianity's streams of revenue

You are searching, and it is a good thing! Keep searching and I promise god will guide you. I PROMISE!

 

[sterolizer]

I agree, and that is why people should steer clear of religions and just stick with Christ and the word of god.

It's that simple guys!

Typo is my least favorite poster this month.

 

[Typo]

the Ascended Master Christ who is frequently, though mistakenly, referred to as a god

John 10:30
"I and the Father are one."

1timothy 3:16
Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.

Colossians 1:15
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-all things were created through him and for him.

Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Just to name a few

 

[Typo]

Typo is my least favorite poster this month.

Why?

 

[sterolizer]

Why?

I'm going to bomb you4life

 

[pdaddyII]

At musclemom

I am sorry your heart is sealed.you are one of the feeble minded who wants someone to wipe your ass for you just because they can.well guess what you have to wipe your own ass. This sport of pursuing wealth and children is only an illusion a momentary delight what is to come is more real than anything you know.

When the worms begin to consume you're rotting flesh in its grave you will become aware of what you are blind to you will have no light it will be to late to listen to what I have revealed to you

Holy shit you're a tool bag

 

[wootoom]

Holy shit you're a tool bag

No kidding...bombs for life

 

[pdaddyII]

Gotta go with CEO on this one, elitist ... and might I add, not terribly Christian of you.

I've got a basic philosophy, if I'm wrong about the way the spiritual world works and the "heaven" camp is right, I'm not dreadfully motivated to spend eternity surrounded by a whole bunch of folks like you. Just saying Jesus was alright but his followers can often be downright snobs (granted, the same can be said of many religious movements).

If the universe was created by a singular intelligence, it doesn't prefer any one species of its creations over the other, never mind preferring one gender over the other, it wouldn't be threatened by spiritual philosophy or sexual preference, nor would it be petulant and cruel. Oh, and it wouldn't have a penis. If anything it would be of both sexes. If "God" created man in its own image then god is both male and female because men can't make babies by themselves *shrug*

Yahweh was an ancient Hebrew tribal god, like any of the other tribal gods. Jesus was human, not a god (personally I think he was an ascended master) and I think a lot of his messages got lost over the years, particularly the messages that threatened the power of Mother Church. I can easily see the council of Nicea sitting around a big table reading scriptures saying "We can't let the peons hear this crap, our tithes will drop and women will want equality. Toss that shit in the fire."

Your narrow minded beliefs have been shaped by centuries of control by a greedy, power hungry organization. The Bible is a contrivance, edited by ruthless humans, the whole religion evolved having over the centuries to perpetuate control through fear. Fear of hell, fear of retribution, fear of leaving the religion, fear of pain and death, fear of free thought. In short, fear of anything that threatens Christianity's streams of revenue

Spot on!

 

[pdaddyII]

I'm going to bomb you4life

I'm seriously considering buying a lifetime plat just so i can black out these annoying preachy bible thumping fucks.

PS
There are two people in this thread that I want to stab in the fucking throat with a cross.

 

[sterolizer]

I'm seriously considering buying a lifetime plat just so i can black out these annoying preachy bible thumping fucks.

PS
There are two people in this thread that I want to stab in the fucking throat with a cross.

I'll black em out right now, and for thy rest of eternity

 

[WoodyO]

I need to spread some more green, so I can red Typo again.

 

[bigpokey]

Gotta go with CEO on this one, elitist ... and might I add, not terribly Christian of you.

I've got a basic philosophy, if I'm wrong about the way the spiritual world works and the "heaven" camp is right, I'm not dreadfully motivated to spend eternity surrounded by a whole bunch of folks like you. Just saying Jesus was alright but his followers can often be downright snobs (granted, the same can be said of many religious movements).

If the universe was created by a singular intelligence, it doesn't prefer any one species of its creations over the other, never mind preferring one gender over the other, it wouldn't be threatened by spiritual philosophy or sexual preference, nor would it be petulant and cruel. Oh, and it wouldn't have a penis. If anything it would be of both sexes. If "God" created man in its own image then god is both male and female because men can't make babies by themselves *shrug*

Yahweh was an ancient Hebrew tribal god, like any of the other tribal gods. Jesus was human, not a god (personally I think he was an ascended master) and I think a lot of his messages got lost over the years, particularly the messages that threatened the power of Mother Church. I can easily see the council of Nicea sitting around a big table reading scriptures saying "We can't let the peons hear this crap, our tithes will drop and women will want equality. Toss that shit in the fire."

Your narrow minded beliefs have been shaped by centuries of control by a greedy, power hungry organization. The Bible is a contrivance, edited by ruthless humans, the whole religion evolved having over the centuries to perpetuate control through fear. Fear of hell, fear of retribution, fear of leaving the religion, fear of pain and death, fear of free thought. In short, fear of anything that threatens Christianity's streams of revenue

im pre-cumming

 

[musclemom]

You are searching, and it is a good thing! Keep searching and I promise god will guide you. I PROMISE!

Silly, I got my guidance ages ago, which is why I commune with and honor both the gods AND goddesses and celebrate the sabbats

I've done a lot of stupid things in my life, but I can honestly say there are two things I did that were absolutely RIGHT: Fall in love with my husband and join my coven.

 

[cindylou]

Gotta go with CEO on this one, elitist ... and might I add, not terribly Christian of you.

I've got a basic philosophy, if I'm wrong about the way the spiritual world works and the "heaven" camp is right, I'm not dreadfully motivated to spend eternity surrounded by a whole bunch of folks like you. Just saying Jesus was alright but his followers can often be downright snobs (granted, the same can be said of many religious movements).

If the universe was created by a singular intelligence, it doesn't prefer any one species of its creations over the other, never mind preferring one gender over the other, it wouldn't be threatened by spiritual philosophy or sexual preference, nor would it be petulant and cruel. Oh, and it wouldn't have a penis. If anything it would be of both sexes. If "God" created man in its own image then god is both male and female because men can't make babies by themselves *shrug*

Yahweh was an ancient Hebrew tribal god, like any of the other tribal gods. Jesus was human, not a god (personally I think he was an ascended master) and I think a lot of his messages got lost over the years, particularly the messages that threatened the power of Mother Church. I can easily see the council of Nicea sitting around a big table reading scriptures saying "We can't let the peons hear this crap, our tithes will drop and women will want equality. Toss that shit in the fire."

Your narrow minded beliefs have been shaped by centuries of control by a greedy, power hungry organization. The Bible is a contrivance, edited by ruthless humans, the whole religion evolved having over the centuries to perpetuate control through fear. Fear of hell, fear of retribution, fear of leaving the religion, fear of pain and death, fear of free thought. In short, fear of anything that threatens Christianity's streams of revenue

Yes, God would be both male and female, as "Adam" created in Gods' image in Genesis was both male and female. Though there are manuscripts/groups of texts that never did see the council of Nicea, I agree Jesus was definitely human. A lot, but not all Christians are narrow minded and lack any healthy respect for others and their beliefs, or are bible thumpers. The only thing I really disagree with is the assumption that the God I believe in is cruel or prefers men over women. If you ask me, if anything the God I believe in preferred women. The Genesis account of the woman more favorable than the account of the man imo, lol the first male half of Adam was a pussy, good god it was only a matter of time before he fell. The woman had to be manipulated by the master manipulator and its crazy projections of God. The man...what is his excuse in that story? Lol, then he goes and tries to blame God and the woman all at the same time when confronted, at least the woman takes responsibility. Lol~! I bet the God I believe in was embarrassed and ashamed for the first male half of Adam. I would be. ahahahahaghahahahahahahahahahah

 

[bigpokey]

cindy tell me about the flood... noah's ark an all dat shit, was that freal? male and female of each animal on earth on a boat? that happened?

 

[WoodyO]

 

[cindylou]

cindy tell me about the flood... noah's ark an all dat shit, was that freal? male and female of each animal on earth on a boat? that happened?

mix of local flood and mythology

 

[ceo]

This does not even come close to making any sort of sense. God let Jesus to die for us. Jesus dying is the reason we are all free from sin in gods eyes. He Paid the price for us.

You guys have to remember this isn't a fairy tale. These happenings had witness'. Not just one but thousands witnessed Jesus preforming miracles! Whether you believe in god or not you can't deny the fact Jesus walked on this earth.

I witnessed Criss Angel walking on water!

 

[ceo]

all of C&C not just this thread

but mostly this thread.

 

[cindylou]

but mostly this thread.

especially now you're here!

 

[ceo]

especially now you're here!

god called me and told me about this thread. said I should stop by.

 

[bigpokey]

mix of local flood and mythology

jonah and the whale? that happen?

 

[ceo]

John 10:30
"I and the Father are one."

John 10:30-38 I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

Was he perhaps one with his father, because he did the works of his father, and not because they were the same person? And can (the christian) God be a person [human]?

1timothy 3:16
Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.

Manifested through "his son" Jesus. Manifested in that Jesus did the works of his father.

Colossians 1:15
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-all things were created through him and for him.

Aren't we all the image of god? We were created in his image.

Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Just to name a few

They called Pharaoh god too.

 

[cindylou]

jonah and the whale? that happen?

Folk and Prophecy.

All I know is that I didn't come with the assumption that the bible had to be literal to be true so I never had to reconcile that stuff. How many inches fell in the flood??!?! Who cares! I didn't, so I let that go and approached them as stories and I guess that approach left me open and then I would find cryptic hidden meanings in those fun stories that had truth in them even if they were not literal. At some point something shrunk and I was able to manage looking glass cakes. The hard part is staying small.

No disrespect to the the literal crowd. That type of approach gives me anxiety. I really think I'm right, but I could wrong. Whatever is is and whatever isn't isn't. I don't have anxiety about these kind of things.

 

[cindylou]

CEO, do you think its morally wrong to believe that Jesus IS God...the same person? Does it make a difference who believes what?

 

[musclemom]

The Genesis account of the woman more favorable than the account of the man imo,

Gotta ask, Cindy (and you know I love ya, sister, and I respect your personal study and opinions when it comes to matters of scripture) what do you think about Lilith?

CEO, do you think its morally wrong to believe that Jesus IS God...the same person? Does it make a difference who believes what?

See, I think that's exactly what pisses everyone off about Typo and people who feel/think the way he does: NOBODY has a problem with someone who is happy in their Christian beliefs, not even me. What I, and many others, do have a problem with is Christians who tell us that to believe otherwise is just patently wrong, i.e.:

When the worms begin to consume you're rotting flesh in its grave you will become aware of what you are blind to you will have no light it will be to late to listen to what I have revealed to you

If that isn't control through fear, I don't know what is.

The fact is, a spiritual revelation is personal, just as any other deeply held morality/philosophy. Hell, I had a spiritual revelation that brought me to Wicca. Yet MY spiritual revelation is irrelevant to someone like Typo. It doesn't count, because my revelation did not lead me to his philosophy Therein lies the frustration, so you hit the nail right on the head.

Why does it have to be so exclusionary? "I'm right, ergo, EVERYONE else has to be wrong, period" end of discussion. Why is a voice or feeling that leads someone to Christianity true, and a voice that leads someone to worship at the altars of the old pagan gods or at a Buddhist shrine wrong?

Now, on a deeper level, you and I both know we're essentially talking smoke and mirrors, rose by any other name crappola (Biblical interpretation generally being watered down on top of the original material being highly symbolic), but you're very well read on the subject and you've read a lot more than "just one book." The encouraged narrowness of mind perpetuated in organized, monotheistic religion can be intensely frustrating. I've sincerely tried to grow beyond Christian bashing, and extend it to general organized religion bashing but many Christians are frequent offenders: My God is the ONLY God neener, neener, neener when you rot in hell, infidel.

In the final analysis, my beliefs are just as valid as Typos, I just don't have a [single] really old, cool book

Oh, and where I'm talking cruel, I'm thinking Hebrews wandering in the desert for 40 years because Moses doubted God, Job being used as a poker chip in a bet between God and Satan or Lot's wife turning into a pillar of salt just because she took a look back at all the commotion. That shit was just mean. Labor and delivery being painful because woman tempted man, please. You stick a couple of innocents in the middle of a garden and say "Don't touch that." What the hell is going to happen? Am I the only one thinking it was a set-up and that the reality is they were supposed to eat the apple (which, BTW, was probably a pomegranate or something like that, apples are not indigenous to the Middle East) and they were such putzes that they needed a push to get on with their emotional/psychological evolution?

 

[Typo]

I respect your beliefs/opinions musclemom, I really do. I have many friends who all share different beliefs about god/religion.

Maybe it is all make believe and there is no god and we have nothing but this lifetime... But if someone wants to follow a manual for this life (the bible) that teaches you how to enjoy life through love, compassion and thanksgiving, I say that's not a bad idea.

 

[ceo]

CEO, do you think its morally wrong to believe that Jesus IS God...the same person? Does it make a difference who believes what?

I guess that depends. If Jesus isn't God, and the first commandment is true, then would not those who worship Jesus as God be guilty of idolatry? It would seem so, wouldn't it?

But by my standards? Who cares what I think?

 

[smurf2]

but mostly this thread.

Theres a lot of delusion in here

 

[wootoom]

[email protected] a joke...controls our world..wish people would just worry about their own lives and live it. Fuck you only live once..I'm not wasting my life on wondering if Jesus is God Lol...what a mess...is it going to get you into heaven? Fuck I'm pissed off now. I'll move this shit to the religion forum

 

[Typo]

[email protected] a joke...controls our world..wish people would just worry about their own lives and live it. Fuck you only live once..I'm not wasting my life on wondering if Jesus is God Lol...what a mess...is it going to get you into heaven? Fuck I'm pissed off now. I'll move this shit to the religion forum

I agree 100% with all of this... Except being pissed off!

 

[-SD-]

[email protected] a joke...controls our world..wish people would just worry about their own lives and live it. Fuck you only live once..I'm not wasting my life on wondering if Jesus is God Lol...what a mess...is it going to get you into heaven? Fuck I'm pissed off now. I'll move this shit to the religion forum

Move to religion/AIDS/outdoor/espanol forum

 

[smurf2]

[email protected] a joke...controls our world..wish people would just worry about their own lives and live it. Fuck you only live once..I'm not wasting my life on wondering if Jesus is God Lol...what a mess...is it going to get you into heaven? Fuck I'm pissed off now. I'll move this shit to the religion forum

lmao

 

[cindylou]

Gotta ask, Cindy (and you know I love ya, sister, and I respect your personal study and opinions when it comes to matters of scripture) what do you think about Lilith?

See, I think that's exactly what pisses everyone off about Typo and people who feel/think the way he does: NOBODY has a problem with someone who is happy in their Christian beliefs, not even me. What I, and many others, do have a problem with is Christians who tell us that to believe otherwise is just patently wrong, i.e.:

​

If that isn't control through fear, I don't know what is.

The fact is, a spiritual revelation is personal, just as any other deeply held morality/philosophy. Hell, I had a spiritual revelation that brought me to Wicca. Yet MY spiritual revelation is irrelevant to someone like Typo. It doesn't count, because my revelation did not lead me to his philosophy Therein lies the frustration, so you hit the nail right on the head.

Why does it have to be so exclusionary? "I'm right, ergo, EVERYONE else has to be wrong, period" end of discussion. Why is a voice or feeling that leads someone to Christianity true, and a voice that leads someone to worship at the altars of the old pagan gods or at a Buddhist shrine wrong?

Now, on a deeper level, you and I both know we're essentially talking smoke and mirrors, rose by any other name crappola (Biblical interpretation generally being watered down on top of the original material being highly symbolic), but you're very well read on the subject and you've read a lot more than "just one book." The encouraged narrowness of mind perpetuated in organized, monotheistic religion can be intensely frustrating. I've sincerely tried to grow beyond Christian bashing, and extend it to general organized religion bashing but many Christians are frequent offenders: My God is the ONLY God neener, neener, neener when you rot in hell, infidel.

In the final analysis, my beliefs are just as valid as Typos, I just don't have a [single] really old, cool book

Oh, and where I'm talking cruel, I'm thinking Hebrews wandering in the desert for 40 years because Moses doubted God, Job being used as a poker chip in a bet between God and Satan or Lot's wife turning into a pillar of salt just because she took a look back at all the commotion. That shit was just mean. Labor and delivery being painful because woman tempted man, please. You stick a couple of innocents in the middle of a garden and say "Don't touch that." What the hell is going to happen? Am I the only one thinking it was a set-up and that the reality is they were supposed to eat the apple (which, BTW, was probably a pomegranate or something like that, apples are not indigenous to the Middle East) and they were such putzes that they needed a push to get on with their emotional/psychological evolution?

Lilith? I don't see where she fits in besides maybe just being a spirit or angel of some sort. She was supposed to be Adam's first wife but I don't really read that stuff literally so I don't really see where she fits in. Even literally man and woman were Adam and they were equal. Adam having a wife doesn't even make sense really as they were one yet two. So, either Lilith was the woman and was the one that was manipulated by the serpent and then left because she didn't like the new rules then another woman was created and named Eve by Adam after the fall, I've just never been sure where she would fit because I don't see where she would get mad enough to leave or where the man would have authority to even piss her off. If anything, before "the fall" woman was better than the man being the crown of creation.

I agree with you on the Christians and eternity stuff. Funny sometimes I wonder...wow do I have to spend eternity with these people? Lol. Religion is going to attract the crocodiles. The predators. The wolves. Though, a lot of what I noticed in some of these "hateful" Christians is what I would compare more to a wounded bear. They are lashing out in fear for whatever reason. So, yeah you are exactly right.

I used to think that God was mean. I thought he was mean to Job, I never understood why he would do some of the things he would do. I had compassion and pity for Lucifier. I especially thought He was mean for being so cruel to Cain in that story (which makes me shudder now, I can't believe I thought that, ever) At the time though, I was like what the hell, he brought him some fruit and veggies and stuff..whatever... why couldn't He just accept that and say it was cool? I mean why not? Then, I mean he probably didn't mean to kill his brother...no one had committed murder yet. Maybe it was an accident. God is mean, he should have had mercy etc. This is what God ought to have done.. this is what I would have done..etc. Well, there is more behind the story to that and when I took a closer look and read between the lines I saw I was wrong. Each individual situation is different for me but wherever I found fault with God...usually after some introspection and soul searching and more thinking about the intent and motivations of each person, I realized I was very very wrong. Especially in that story, was I ever wrong. Lol. I'm too tired tonight to think about it any more...lol.

However, realizing I was wrong then doesn't automatically make me right now.

 

[cindylou]

I guess that depends. If Jesus isn't God, and the first commandment is true, then would not those who worship Jesus as God be guilty of idolatry? It would seem so, wouldn't it?

But by my standards? Who cares what I think?

Yes, Im asking what you think CEO. Lol.

 

[simply dave]

Gotta ask, Cindy (and you know I love ya, sister, and I respect your personal study and opinions when it comes to matters of scripture) what do you think about Lilith?

See, I think that's exactly what pisses everyone off about Typo and people who feel/think the way he does: NOBODY has a problem with someone who is happy in their Christian beliefs, not even me. What I, and many others, do have a problem with is Christians who tell us that to believe otherwise is just patently wrong, i.e.:

​

If that isn't control through fear, I don't know what is.

The fact is, a spiritual revelation is personal, just as any other deeply held morality/philosophy. Hell, I had a spiritual revelation that brought me to Wicca. Yet MY spiritual revelation is irrelevant to someone like Typo. It doesn't count, because my revelation did not lead me to his philosophy Therein lies the frustration, so you hit the nail right on the head.

Why does it have to be so exclusionary? "I'm right, ergo, EVERYONE else has to be wrong, period" end of discussion. Why is a voice or feeling that leads someone to Christianity true, and a voice that leads someone to worship at the altars of the old pagan gods or at a Buddhist shrine wrong?

Now, on a deeper level, you and I both know we're essentially talking smoke and mirrors, rose by any other name crappola (Biblical interpretation generally being watered down on top of the original material being highly symbolic), but you're very well read on the subject and you've read a lot more than "just one book." The encouraged narrowness of mind perpetuated in organized, monotheistic religion can be intensely frustrating. I've sincerely tried to grow beyond Christian bashing, and extend it to general organized religion bashing but many Christians are frequent offenders: My God is the ONLY God neener, neener, neener when you rot in hell, infidel.

In the final analysis, my beliefs are just as valid as Typos, I just don't have a [single] really old, cool book

Oh, and where I'm talking cruel, I'm thinking Hebrews wandering in the desert for 40 years because Moses doubted God, Job being used as a poker chip in a bet between God and Satan or Lot's wife turning into a pillar of salt just because she took a look back at all the commotion. That shit was just mean. Labor and delivery being painful because woman tempted man, please. You stick a couple of innocents in the middle of a garden and say "Don't touch that." What the hell is going to happen? Am I the only one thinking it was a set-up and that the reality is they were supposed to eat the apple (which, BTW, was probably a pomegranate or something like that, apples are not indigenous to the Middle East) and they were such putzes that they needed a push to get on with their emotional/psychological evolution?

Very well articulated. Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[musclemom]

Lilith? I don't see where she fits in besides maybe just being a spirit or angel of some sort. She was supposed to be Adam's first wife but I don't really read that stuff literally so I don't really see where she fits in. Even literally man and woman were Adam and they were equal. Adam having a wife doesn't even make sense really as they were one yet two. So, either Lilith was the woman and was the one that was manipulated by the serpent and then left because she didn't like the new rules then another woman was created and named Eve by Adam after the fall, I've just never been sure where she would fit because I don't see where she would get mad enough to leave or where the man would have authority to even piss her off. If anything, before "the fall" woman was better than the man being the crown of creation.

I'm not sure if it's a story that's in the apocryphal texts (pretty sure it comes out of ancient Talmudic myths) that Lilith was supposedly the first woman, made from the dust of the earth as was Adam, and the first time they tried to have sex she said I'm equal to you, why should you get to be on top? (a lot of goddess worshippers love her, they see her as the first symbol of empowered femininity). They had a big ass fight, Lilith spoke the secret name of God and was instantly transported away (supposedly to become a mother to legions of demons, but demon has more than one meaning, too). Anyway, Adam went whining back to God that he didn't have a playmate so God made Eve, but made her from Adam, so she wasn't technically his equal. Supposedly a lot of the ideas about women being second/subservient to men have a seed in this tale

I was just curious if you were familiar with her or had any opinions, that's all

However, realizing I was wrong then doesn't automatically make me right now.

Honey, I feel very much the same way. The one thing I know, the more I learn, the less I realize I know

 

[cindylou]

I'm not sure if it's a story that's in the apocryphal texts (pretty sure it comes out of ancient Talmudic myths) that Lilith was supposedly the first woman, made from the dust of the earth as was Adam, and the first time they tried to have sex she said I'm equal to you, why should you get to be on top? (a lot of goddess worshippers love her, they see her as the first symbol of empowered femininity). They had a big ass fight, Lilith spoke the secret name of God and was instantly transported away (supposedly to become a mother to legions of demons, but demon has more than one meaning, too). Anyway, Adam went whining back to God that he didn't have a playmate so God made Eve, but made her from Adam, so she wasn't technically his equal. Supposedly a lot of the ideas about women being second/subservient to men have a seed in this tale

I was just curious if you were familiar with her or had any opinions, that's all

Honey, I feel very much the same way. The one thing I know, the more I learn, the less I realize I know

Well, just from reading Genesis, (which reads like a comedy sometimes the man is so pathetic lol) what I get is that women were equal but just slightly better than men. God was ashamed of the man and made us submit after "the fall" just because He was so damn embarrassed for him. That's what I get!

 

[cindylou]

Unfortunately, to make Lilith fit for me personally I would have to fit her in Genesis though which doesn't make sense unless she is actually the first woman half of Adam. Lilith could be the woman half of Adam. Eve isn't actually named until after the fall. She had no name but Adam she was Adam. It could work if the woman named later is a different woman! Lol.

 

[ppgfreak]

I think I know who this thread was for.....

I love God, I have my hole life. I was raised to be a Christian. My Mother is a great women and Christian. She spends her life serving God. So I understand the religion, and respect it very much. But honestly after the life I have lived, there's no room for God. I love and respect him and have nothing bad to say about him. But, we do not see things the same way. He would not agree with my methods of doing things, and I will not ask for forgiveness for things I've done. I know, a lot of the things I've done were morally wrong. But in my opinion they were completely needed. I know ill go to hell when I die. But for the amount of lives I have saved, I'm fine with that.

I was religious until 2001. I realize now that it was easy being religious living at home, with food,water friends,family,heat and a warm bed. But being religious in a third world country that's at war is a different story. If I carried a bible vs weapons, I would be dead. My brothers would be dead.

Feel free to send me a message if you want to continue talking about this. I'm not going to continue online about my life or the things I've seen or done. I've been online long enough to know people think there tough on the internet. So I'm not interested in listening to the "oh you think your tough because you went to war huh?"

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[wootoom]

I think I know who this thread was for.....

I love God, I have my hole life. I was raised to be a Christian. My Mother is a great women and Christian. She spends her life serving God. So I understand the religion, and respect it very much. But honestly after the life I have lived, there's no room for God. I love and respect him and have nothing bad to say about him. But, we do not see things the same way. He would not agree with my methods of doing things, and I will not ask for forgiveness for things I've done. I know, a lot of the things I've some were morally wrong. But in my opinion they were completely needed. I know ill go to hell when I die. But for the amount of lives I have saved, I'm fine with that.

I was religious until 2001. I realize now that it was easy being religious living at home, with food,water friends,family,heat and a warm bed. But being religious in a third world country that's at war is a different story. If I carried a bible vs weapons, I would be dead. My brothers would be dead.

Feel free to send me a message if you want to continue talking about this. I'm not going to continue online about my life or the things I've seen or done. I've been online long enough to know people think there tough on the internet. So I'm not interested in listening to the "oh you think your tough because you went to war huh?"

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Stfu and gfto you faggot alter

 

[markmark]

I was raised a catholic, then around the age of 15, I saw past all the bullshit. Then I realized religion is the cause of all wars, and how corrupt it is in every way possible.

well said. So many still cannot see the truth and believe all the silly things that go along with religion...

 

[musclemom]

Unfortunately, to make Lilith fit for me personally I would have to fit her in Genesis though which doesn't make sense unless she is actually the first woman half of Adam. Lilith could be the woman half of Adam. Eve isn't actually named until after the fall. She had no name but Adam she was Adam. It could work if the woman named later is a different woman! Lol.

Ah, well, see ... to make Genesis really work, you need to do at least three things, read the portions of Talmud that correlate but aren't included in the Christian Bible's Genesis and have an EXTREMELY superficial familiarity with both Kabbalah as well as the meanings of the Hebrew letters and their gematria.

Not kidding.

You don't need to become a scholar on the final two even though they sound daunting, but they really are the pieces that bring everything together. Trust me, you're already on the right track, you're intuitively scratching on the surface of the Kabbalah stuff which I find impressive, Cindy, seriously, you're really good. I think if you did a cursory study of mystical Kabbalah (I could recommend some great beginner books if you ever want to give it a shot and have the time) you'd find a world of revelations through symbolic clarification.

Damned shame you're not a Wiccan, you'd be da bomb!!!

 

[Typo]

Yeah Cindy... You would be a good witch... ?? wtf

 

[wootoom]

i will bomb the fuck out of you

 

[sterolizer]

i will bomb the fuck out of you

Do it

 

[[email protected]]

I read somewhere that God was so beside himself that he persued Muhammed then all hell broke lose with the Islamic/Moslem Faith.

 

[musclemom]

Yeah Cindy... You would be a good witch... ?? wtf

Wiccan, not witch. There's a difference.

Actually, most people I know who follow the pagan path were/are EXTREMELY well read in traditional scriptural teachings (I know quite a few pagans/wiccans who have degrees in religious studies). The more they learned, the more they wanted to learn and they eventually realized the "mainstream" material couldn't provide that because critical information is just not there, and it's not there for a reason (you won't know it's missing until you are ready to see it's missing). You have to realize there's got to be more and have the desire to seek further on your own.

Christianity, and it's roots, have much more depth than about 99% of laity is ready to embrace, which is why it's a mystery and shrouded in symbolism. When you're ready for the next class you start to realize there's gotta be more to it and you start looking. That doesn't have to mean you're automatically going to discard your Christian beliefs either. I actually know Jewish pagans and Christian pagans.

But life is about evolution; people move at their own pace, and that's what's right for them.

And you see, everything I'm saying in this post goes back to some things I'm saying in post #71. You telling me I'm doomed to damnation because I don't embrace Christianity is roughly equivalent to a kindergartener telling her older sister that babies are delivered by storks because that's what her best friend told her.

 

[simply dave]

I live in what I call "The Bible Belt" of California. One day, while driving home from Jackson (11 mile trip) I told the family "Let's count how many churches between here and home." In the 11 miles we counted 14 churches...just on that one road. From what I've observed in the so called "Christians" here in this county I want nothing to do with their brand of religion. For the most part, I've witnessed too much mean spirited, backstabbing behavior out of a significant portion of them...not sure if it's "What Jesus Would Do".

One day, one of my employees (a devout christian that practically lives at his church) tried to TELL me to vote against the initiative to allow gay marriage because his Pastor told his congregation to vote against it as gays are destroying the "American Family". I went "nuclear" on his sorry ass. He found out right there that one does not EVER tell me to vote on legislation that takes right/freedoms/liberties away from someone...He quickly regretted opening his mouth as I reduced his argument to shambles and asked him to justify/defend his argument citing constitutional law.

Yes...I have very strong opinions regarding religion and much of it is not favorable.

 

[pdaddyII]

I live in what I call "The Bible Belt" of California. One day, while driving home from Jackson (11 mile trip) I told the family "Let's count how many churches between here and home." In the 11 miles we counted 14 churches...just on that one road. From what I've observed in the so called "Christians" here in this county I want nothing to do with their brand of religion. For the most part, I've witnessed too much mean spirited, backstabbing behavior out of a significant portion of them...not sure if it's "What Jesus Would Do".

One day, one of my employees (a devout christian that practically lives at his church) tried to TELL me to vote against the initiative to allow gay marriage because his Pastor told his congregation to vote against it as gays are destroying the "American Family". I went "nuclear" on his sorry ass. He found out right there that one does not EVER tell me to vote on legislation that takes right/freedoms/liberties away from someone...He quickly regretted opening his mouth as I reduced his argument to shambles and asked him to justify/defend his argument citing constitutional law.

Yes...I have very strong opinions regarding religion and much of it is not favorable.

Good for you for giving it to him. People need to mind their own business.

 

[zwhit]

I live in what I call "The Bible Belt" of California. One day, while driving home from Jackson (11 mile trip) I told the family "Let's count how many churches between here and home." In the 11 miles we counted 14 churches...just on that one road. From what I've observed in the so called "Christians" here in this county I want nothing to do with their brand of religion. For the most part, I've witnessed too much mean spirited, backstabbing behavior out of a significant portion of them...not sure if it's "What Jesus Would Do".

One day, one of my employees (a devout christian that practically lives at his church) tried to TELL me to vote against the initiative to allow gay marriage because his Pastor told his congregation to vote against it as gays are destroying the "American Family". I went "nuclear" on his sorry ass. He found out right there that one does not EVER tell me to vote on legislation that takes right/freedoms/liberties away from someone...He quickly regretted opening his mouth as I reduced his argument to shambles and asked him to justify/defend his argument citing constitutional law.

Yes...I have very strong opinions regarding religion and much of it is not favorable.

I think that gay marriage is something that should be between a man and a woman

 

[ppgfreak]

Most people only really understand there own religion. Maybe 20% about other religiouns, just enough to say they don't like them. But it us common to get those two confused with one another. I've known one of each, wiccan and witch. So I know that there completely different. But most people think there the same thing.

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[Nathaniel3535]

Question why did any of the non-Christians even post in here if u don't agree then don't post I wouldn't post In a thread I don't agree with it just doesn't make any since and u talk about bombing and blacking out then do it and leave the guy alone he should be allowed to post his faith with out being type molested for it .......also .... BURN THE WITCH!!! Sorry I couldn't help myself


Go Heavy Or Go Home

 

[Typo]

The loudest atheist often ends up being the loudest evangelist.. In my experience...

 

[Headholio]

I live in what I call "The Bible Belt" of California. One day, while driving home from Jackson (11 mile trip) I told the family "Let's count how many churches between here and home." In the 11 miles we counted 14 churches...just on that one road. From what I've observed in the so called "Christians" here in this county I want nothing to do with their brand of religion. For the most part, I've witnessed too much mean spirited, backstabbing behavior out of a significant portion of them...not sure if it's "What Jesus Would Do".

One day, one of my employees (a devout christian that practically lives at his church) tried to TELL me to vote against the initiative to allow gay marriage because his Pastor told his congregation to vote against it as gays are destroying the "American Family". I went "nuclear" on his sorry ass. He found out right there that one does not EVER tell me to vote on legislation that takes right/freedoms/liberties away from someone...He quickly regretted opening his mouth as I reduced his argument to shambles and asked him to justify/defend his argument citing constitutional law.

Yes...I have very strong opinions regarding religion and much of it is not favorable.

I used to live up there. Beautiful, wonderful area. I never really noticed it as a "bible belt". I think I saw more criminals than bible thumpers where I was at