Is god calling out to you?

[simply dave]

Gotta ask, Cindy (and you know I love ya, sister, and I respect your personal study and opinions when it comes to matters of scripture) what do you think about Lilith?

See, I think that's exactly what pisses everyone off about Typo and people who feel/think the way he does: NOBODY has a problem with someone who is happy in their Christian beliefs, not even me. What I, and many others, do have a problem with is Christians who tell us that to believe otherwise is just patently wrong, i.e.:

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If that isn't control through fear, I don't know what is.

The fact is, a spiritual revelation is personal, just as any other deeply held morality/philosophy. Hell, I had a spiritual revelation that brought me to Wicca. Yet MY spiritual revelation is irrelevant to someone like Typo. It doesn't count, because my revelation did not lead me to his philosophy Therein lies the frustration, so you hit the nail right on the head.

Why does it have to be so exclusionary? "I'm right, ergo, EVERYONE else has to be wrong, period" end of discussion. Why is a voice or feeling that leads someone to Christianity true, and a voice that leads someone to worship at the altars of the old pagan gods or at a Buddhist shrine wrong?

Now, on a deeper level, you and I both know we're essentially talking smoke and mirrors, rose by any other name crappola (Biblical interpretation generally being watered down on top of the original material being highly symbolic), but you're very well read on the subject and you've read a lot more than "just one book." The encouraged narrowness of mind perpetuated in organized, monotheistic religion can be intensely frustrating. I've sincerely tried to grow beyond Christian bashing, and extend it to general organized religion bashing but many Christians are frequent offenders: My God is the ONLY God neener, neener, neener when you rot in hell, infidel.

In the final analysis, my beliefs are just as valid as Typos, I just don't have a [single] really old, cool book

Oh, and where I'm talking cruel, I'm thinking Hebrews wandering in the desert for 40 years because Moses doubted God, Job being used as a poker chip in a bet between God and Satan or Lot's wife turning into a pillar of salt just because she took a look back at all the commotion. That shit was just mean. Labor and delivery being painful because woman tempted man, please. You stick a couple of innocents in the middle of a garden and say "Don't touch that." What the hell is going to happen? Am I the only one thinking it was a set-up and that the reality is they were supposed to eat the apple (which, BTW, was probably a pomegranate or something like that, apples are not indigenous to the Middle East) and they were such putzes that they needed a push to get on with their emotional/psychological evolution?

Very well articulated. Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[musclemom]

Lilith? I don't see where she fits in besides maybe just being a spirit or angel of some sort. She was supposed to be Adam's first wife but I don't really read that stuff literally so I don't really see where she fits in. Even literally man and woman were Adam and they were equal. Adam having a wife doesn't even make sense really as they were one yet two. So, either Lilith was the woman and was the one that was manipulated by the serpent and then left because she didn't like the new rules then another woman was created and named Eve by Adam after the fall, I've just never been sure where she would fit because I don't see where she would get mad enough to leave or where the man would have authority to even piss her off. If anything, before "the fall" woman was better than the man being the crown of creation.

I'm not sure if it's a story that's in the apocryphal texts (pretty sure it comes out of ancient Talmudic myths) that Lilith was supposedly the first woman, made from the dust of the earth as was Adam, and the first time they tried to have sex she said I'm equal to you, why should you get to be on top? (a lot of goddess worshippers love her, they see her as the first symbol of empowered femininity). They had a big ass fight, Lilith spoke the secret name of God and was instantly transported away (supposedly to become a mother to legions of demons, but demon has more than one meaning, too). Anyway, Adam went whining back to God that he didn't have a playmate so God made Eve, but made her from Adam, so she wasn't technically his equal. Supposedly a lot of the ideas about women being second/subservient to men have a seed in this tale

I was just curious if you were familiar with her or had any opinions, that's all

However, realizing I was wrong then doesn't automatically make me right now.

Honey, I feel very much the same way. The one thing I know, the more I learn, the less I realize I know

 

[cindylou]

I'm not sure if it's a story that's in the apocryphal texts (pretty sure it comes out of ancient Talmudic myths) that Lilith was supposedly the first woman, made from the dust of the earth as was Adam, and the first time they tried to have sex she said I'm equal to you, why should you get to be on top? (a lot of goddess worshippers love her, they see her as the first symbol of empowered femininity). They had a big ass fight, Lilith spoke the secret name of God and was instantly transported away (supposedly to become a mother to legions of demons, but demon has more than one meaning, too). Anyway, Adam went whining back to God that he didn't have a playmate so God made Eve, but made her from Adam, so she wasn't technically his equal. Supposedly a lot of the ideas about women being second/subservient to men have a seed in this tale

I was just curious if you were familiar with her or had any opinions, that's all

Honey, I feel very much the same way. The one thing I know, the more I learn, the less I realize I know

Well, just from reading Genesis, (which reads like a comedy sometimes the man is so pathetic lol) what I get is that women were equal but just slightly better than men. God was ashamed of the man and made us submit after "the fall" just because He was so damn embarrassed for him. That's what I get!

 

[cindylou]

Unfortunately, to make Lilith fit for me personally I would have to fit her in Genesis though which doesn't make sense unless she is actually the first woman half of Adam. Lilith could be the woman half of Adam. Eve isn't actually named until after the fall. She had no name but Adam she was Adam. It could work if the woman named later is a different woman! Lol.

 

[ppgfreak]

I think I know who this thread was for.....

I love God, I have my hole life. I was raised to be a Christian. My Mother is a great women and Christian. She spends her life serving God. So I understand the religion, and respect it very much. But honestly after the life I have lived, there's no room for God. I love and respect him and have nothing bad to say about him. But, we do not see things the same way. He would not agree with my methods of doing things, and I will not ask for forgiveness for things I've done. I know, a lot of the things I've done were morally wrong. But in my opinion they were completely needed. I know ill go to hell when I die. But for the amount of lives I have saved, I'm fine with that.

I was religious until 2001. I realize now that it was easy being religious living at home, with food,water friends,family,heat and a warm bed. But being religious in a third world country that's at war is a different story. If I carried a bible vs weapons, I would be dead. My brothers would be dead.

Feel free to send me a message if you want to continue talking about this. I'm not going to continue online about my life or the things I've seen or done. I've been online long enough to know people think there tough on the internet. So I'm not interested in listening to the "oh you think your tough because you went to war huh?"

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[wootoom]

I think I know who this thread was for.....

I love God, I have my hole life. I was raised to be a Christian. My Mother is a great women and Christian. She spends her life serving God. So I understand the religion, and respect it very much. But honestly after the life I have lived, there's no room for God. I love and respect him and have nothing bad to say about him. But, we do not see things the same way. He would not agree with my methods of doing things, and I will not ask for forgiveness for things I've done. I know, a lot of the things I've some were morally wrong. But in my opinion they were completely needed. I know ill go to hell when I die. But for the amount of lives I have saved, I'm fine with that.

I was religious until 2001. I realize now that it was easy being religious living at home, with food,water friends,family,heat and a warm bed. But being religious in a third world country that's at war is a different story. If I carried a bible vs weapons, I would be dead. My brothers would be dead.

Feel free to send me a message if you want to continue talking about this. I'm not going to continue online about my life or the things I've seen or done. I've been online long enough to know people think there tough on the internet. So I'm not interested in listening to the "oh you think your tough because you went to war huh?"

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Stfu and gfto you faggot alter

 

[markmark]

I was raised a catholic, then around the age of 15, I saw past all the bullshit. Then I realized religion is the cause of all wars, and how corrupt it is in every way possible.

well said. So many still cannot see the truth and believe all the silly things that go along with religion...

 

[musclemom]

Unfortunately, to make Lilith fit for me personally I would have to fit her in Genesis though which doesn't make sense unless she is actually the first woman half of Adam. Lilith could be the woman half of Adam. Eve isn't actually named until after the fall. She had no name but Adam she was Adam. It could work if the woman named later is a different woman! Lol.

Ah, well, see ... to make Genesis really work, you need to do at least three things, read the portions of Talmud that correlate but aren't included in the Christian Bible's Genesis and have an EXTREMELY superficial familiarity with both Kabbalah as well as the meanings of the Hebrew letters and their gematria.

Not kidding.

You don't need to become a scholar on the final two even though they sound daunting, but they really are the pieces that bring everything together. Trust me, you're already on the right track, you're intuitively scratching on the surface of the Kabbalah stuff which I find impressive, Cindy, seriously, you're really good. I think if you did a cursory study of mystical Kabbalah (I could recommend some great beginner books if you ever want to give it a shot and have the time) you'd find a world of revelations through symbolic clarification.

Damned shame you're not a Wiccan, you'd be da bomb!!!

 

[Typo]

Yeah Cindy... You would be a good witch... ?? wtf

 

[wootoom]

i will bomb the fuck out of you