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redsamurai
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think he's in the game now to force romney to pick him as vp?
mrplunkey
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Abortion|Ron Paul 2012 Presidential Campaign CommitteeRon Paul 2012 Presidential Campaign Committee
AN EXPERIENCED PHYSICIAN
As an OB/GYN who delivered over 4,000 babies, Ron Paul knows firsthand how precious, fragile, and in need of protection life is.
Dr. Paul’s experience in science and medicine only reinforced his belief that life begins at conception, and he believes it would be inconsistent for him to champion personal liberty and a free society if he didn’t also advocate respecting the God-given right to life—for those born and unborn.
After being forced to witness an abortion being performed during his time in medical school, he knew from that moment on that his practice would focus on protecting life. And during his years in medicine, never once did he find an abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman.
As a physician, Ron Paul consistently put his beliefs into practice and saved lives by helping women seek options other than abortion, including adoption. And as President, Ron Paul will continue to fight for the same pro-life solutions he has upheld in Congress, including:
* Immediately saving lives by effectively repealing Roe v. Wade and preventing activist judges from interfering with state decisions on life by removing abortion from federal court jurisdiction through legislation modeled after his “We the People Act.”
* Defining life as beginning at conception by passing a “Sanctity of Life Act.”
Because he agrees with Thomas Jefferson that it is “sinful and tyrannical” to “compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors,” Ron Paul will also protect the American people’s freedom of conscience by working to prohibit taxpayer funds from being used for abortions, Planned Parenthood, or any other so-called “family planning” program.
The strength of love for liberty in our society can be judged by how we treat the most innocent among us. It’s time to elect a President with the courage and conviction to stand up for every American’s right to life.
AN EXPERIENCED PHYSICIAN
As an OB/GYN who delivered over 4,000 babies, Ron Paul knows firsthand how precious, fragile, and in need of protection life is.
Dr. Paul’s experience in science and medicine only reinforced his belief that life begins at conception, and he believes it would be inconsistent for him to champion personal liberty and a free society if he didn’t also advocate respecting the God-given right to life—for those born and unborn.
After being forced to witness an abortion being performed during his time in medical school, he knew from that moment on that his practice would focus on protecting life. And during his years in medicine, never once did he find an abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman.
As a physician, Ron Paul consistently put his beliefs into practice and saved lives by helping women seek options other than abortion, including adoption. And as President, Ron Paul will continue to fight for the same pro-life solutions he has upheld in Congress, including:
* Immediately saving lives by effectively repealing Roe v. Wade and preventing activist judges from interfering with state decisions on life by removing abortion from federal court jurisdiction through legislation modeled after his “We the People Act.”
* Defining life as beginning at conception by passing a “Sanctity of Life Act.”
Because he agrees with Thomas Jefferson that it is “sinful and tyrannical” to “compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors,” Ron Paul will also protect the American people’s freedom of conscience by working to prohibit taxpayer funds from being used for abortions, Planned Parenthood, or any other so-called “family planning” program.
The strength of love for liberty in our society can be judged by how we treat the most innocent among us. It’s time to elect a President with the courage and conviction to stand up for every American’s right to life.
mrplunkey
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Taxes|Ron Paul 2012 Presidential Campaign CommitteeRon Paul 2012 Presidential Campaign Committee
KEEP MORE OF YOUR MONEY
The power to tax is the power to destroy, which is why Ron Paul will never support higher taxes.
Our national debt is currently over $14 trillion, with the government spending nearly $2 trillion more per year than it collects. The American people should not have to pay for Washington’s reckless and out-of-control appetite for debt.
High taxes stifle innovation, prevent saving, destroy production, crush the middle class and the poor, and discourage investment. Every American is entitled to the fruits of his labor, especially during these tough economic times.
Lowering taxes will leave you more money to take care of yourself and your family, and it will allow businesses greater opportunities to hire new workers, increase current salaries, and expand their companies.
As President, Ron Paul will support a Liberty Amendment to the Constitution to abolish the income and death taxes. And he will be proud to be the one who finally turns off the lights at the IRS for good.
Capital gains taxes, which punish you for success (and interfere with your efforts to hedge against inflation by purchasing gold and silver coins), should also be immediately repealed.
KEEP MORE OF YOUR MONEY
The power to tax is the power to destroy, which is why Ron Paul will never support higher taxes.
Our national debt is currently over $14 trillion, with the government spending nearly $2 trillion more per year than it collects. The American people should not have to pay for Washington’s reckless and out-of-control appetite for debt.
High taxes stifle innovation, prevent saving, destroy production, crush the middle class and the poor, and discourage investment. Every American is entitled to the fruits of his labor, especially during these tough economic times.
Lowering taxes will leave you more money to take care of yourself and your family, and it will allow businesses greater opportunities to hire new workers, increase current salaries, and expand their companies.
As President, Ron Paul will support a Liberty Amendment to the Constitution to abolish the income and death taxes. And he will be proud to be the one who finally turns off the lights at the IRS for good.
Capital gains taxes, which punish you for success (and interfere with your efforts to hedge against inflation by purchasing gold and silver coins), should also be immediately repealed.
mrplunkey
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Statement of Faith|Ron Paul 2012 Presidential Campaign CommitteeRon Paul 2012 Presidential Campaign Committee
“I have accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Savior, and I endeavor every day to follow Him in all I do and in every position I advocate.”
-Ron Paul
My faith is a deeply private issue to me, and I don’t speak on it in great detail during my speeches because I want to avoid any appearance of exploiting it for political gain. Let me be very clear here: I have accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Savior, and I endeavor every day to follow Him in all I do and in every position I advocate.
It is God Who gave us life. As He is free, so are those He created in His image. Our rights to life and liberty are inalienable.
I’m running for President of the United States because I believe that our traditions and way of life are under attack from an out-of-control federal government and reckless politicians who show no regard for what our Founders entrusted to our protection.
America became the greatest nation in human history because a dedicated band of Patriots believed their God-given rights were worth fighting for, even if it meant challenging the world’s most powerful nation in what many deemed a “hopeless” cause.
Being free meant so much to our forefathers that they put everything on the line – and thousands sacrificed their lives – to give the promise of liberty to not only their children and grandchildren, but to generations they knew they would never even meet.
Their courage and determination guaranteed they would defy the odds and achieve victory.
In this critical election, you and I must decide if the principles of limited government and personal freedom are worth fighting for once again.
Since I’m asking for your vote and your trust to lead this nation, let me tell you a little bit about my background and beliefs.
My parents raised my four brothers and me on a dairy near Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, where they set clear examples for each of us about faith, honest living, and individual responsibility. Their Christian values helped inspire two of my brothers to eventually enter the ministry, and provided me with the foundation I needed to practice medicine and one day become a U.S. Representative.
In addition to my time in Congress, I am proud to have delivered over 4,000 babies as a country doctor in Texas. As I trained to practice medicine, I became convinced without a doubt that life begins at the moment of conception. I never performed an abortion, and I never once found an abortion necessary to save the life of the mother. In fact, I successfully helped women struggling with their pregnancies to seek other options, including adoption.
I am running to Restore America Now, and by that I mean that it’s time to protect and promote the basic God-given rights inherent in the promise of America.
We must pass on our heritage of liberty to the next generation – not tens of trillions of dollars in debt and liabilities.
We must stand for life – not allow millions of innocent children to continue to be slaughtered with the government’s approval.
We must follow the Biblical mandate of using honest weights and measures – not printing money out of thin air in almost complete secrecy and then handing it over to oppressive dictators.
We must only send our men and women to fight for our country when the mission is clear, every necessary tool needed to win is provided, and we respect the Constitution by declaring war.
Once war is declared, it must be waged according to Just War principles. We should only fight when it’s in our national security interest, and we should no longer do the corrupt United Nation’s bidding by policing the world.
In Congress, I never vote for any piece of legislation that violates the Constitution’s strict limits on government power. I also do not participate in the congressional pension system.
As President, I give you my word that I will only exercise my authority within the confines of the Constitution, and I will work every day to rein in a runaway federal government by binding it with the chains of that document.
For my stands and beliefs, I am told that my efforts are “hopeless.” Like those who were proud to stand up for what they knew was right to create our nation, however, I firmly believe that now is a better time than ever before to reclaim our liberties. No situation is hopeless for those who receive their strength from their faith, family, and freedom.
And like those Patriots, I have no doubt that liberty will prevail.
I invite you to join me and millions of other Americans in taking our stand to honor our forefathers’ sacrifices and Restore America Now.
“I have accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Savior, and I endeavor every day to follow Him in all I do and in every position I advocate.”
-Ron Paul
My faith is a deeply private issue to me, and I don’t speak on it in great detail during my speeches because I want to avoid any appearance of exploiting it for political gain. Let me be very clear here: I have accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Savior, and I endeavor every day to follow Him in all I do and in every position I advocate.
It is God Who gave us life. As He is free, so are those He created in His image. Our rights to life and liberty are inalienable.
I’m running for President of the United States because I believe that our traditions and way of life are under attack from an out-of-control federal government and reckless politicians who show no regard for what our Founders entrusted to our protection.
America became the greatest nation in human history because a dedicated band of Patriots believed their God-given rights were worth fighting for, even if it meant challenging the world’s most powerful nation in what many deemed a “hopeless” cause.
Being free meant so much to our forefathers that they put everything on the line – and thousands sacrificed their lives – to give the promise of liberty to not only their children and grandchildren, but to generations they knew they would never even meet.
Their courage and determination guaranteed they would defy the odds and achieve victory.
In this critical election, you and I must decide if the principles of limited government and personal freedom are worth fighting for once again.
Since I’m asking for your vote and your trust to lead this nation, let me tell you a little bit about my background and beliefs.
My parents raised my four brothers and me on a dairy near Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, where they set clear examples for each of us about faith, honest living, and individual responsibility. Their Christian values helped inspire two of my brothers to eventually enter the ministry, and provided me with the foundation I needed to practice medicine and one day become a U.S. Representative.
In addition to my time in Congress, I am proud to have delivered over 4,000 babies as a country doctor in Texas. As I trained to practice medicine, I became convinced without a doubt that life begins at the moment of conception. I never performed an abortion, and I never once found an abortion necessary to save the life of the mother. In fact, I successfully helped women struggling with their pregnancies to seek other options, including adoption.
I am running to Restore America Now, and by that I mean that it’s time to protect and promote the basic God-given rights inherent in the promise of America.
We must pass on our heritage of liberty to the next generation – not tens of trillions of dollars in debt and liabilities.
We must stand for life – not allow millions of innocent children to continue to be slaughtered with the government’s approval.
We must follow the Biblical mandate of using honest weights and measures – not printing money out of thin air in almost complete secrecy and then handing it over to oppressive dictators.
We must only send our men and women to fight for our country when the mission is clear, every necessary tool needed to win is provided, and we respect the Constitution by declaring war.
Once war is declared, it must be waged according to Just War principles. We should only fight when it’s in our national security interest, and we should no longer do the corrupt United Nation’s bidding by policing the world.
In Congress, I never vote for any piece of legislation that violates the Constitution’s strict limits on government power. I also do not participate in the congressional pension system.
As President, I give you my word that I will only exercise my authority within the confines of the Constitution, and I will work every day to rein in a runaway federal government by binding it with the chains of that document.
For my stands and beliefs, I am told that my efforts are “hopeless.” Like those who were proud to stand up for what they knew was right to create our nation, however, I firmly believe that now is a better time than ever before to reclaim our liberties. No situation is hopeless for those who receive their strength from their faith, family, and freedom.
And like those Patriots, I have no doubt that liberty will prevail.
I invite you to join me and millions of other Americans in taking our stand to honor our forefathers’ sacrifices and Restore America Now.
uamaverick
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You butt fuckin' my brother? Paul isn't even anywhere close, delegate-wise.
Romney: 925
Paul: 82
Primaries - 2012 Election Center - Elections & Politics from CNN.com
Romney: 925
Paul: 82
Primaries - 2012 Election Center - Elections & Politics from CNN.com
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lartinos
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Ron is not perfect, and I do not agree
With 100% of his policies. (moreso than any other candidate though)
The media (television) has not proclaimed him the winner of one state.
That was easy..
So yes, Ron Paul is the "best" candidate and not perfect IMO.
Time to party Here in providence..
Mexico city, providence, puerto Rico, and Detroit this month!
With 100% of his policies. (moreso than any other candidate though)
The media (television) has not proclaimed him the winner of one state.
That was easy..
So yes, Ron Paul is the "best" candidate and not perfect IMO.
Time to party Here in providence..
Mexico city, providence, puerto Rico, and Detroit this month!
mrplunkey
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I'm not busting your balls over liking Ron Paul in the least. I actually like him too.
He's a little jesusy for my tastes, but I definitely identify with his libertarian agenda.
I am absolutely basking in the hypocrisy of redsam supporting him though. Maybe RS wants to end the fed because he wants to follow the Biblical mandate of using honest weights and measures as well.
And his abortion policy... whoah.
And I really like this too:
“I have accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Savior, and I endeavor every day to follow Him in all I do and in every position I advocate.”
-Ron Paul
And before I hear all the "he has to say that" horseshit... Here's JFK's version:
"I Believe in an America Where the Separation of Church and State is Absolute"
-John F. Kennedy
PICK3
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redsamurai
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Pretty sure he's stated he wants fiat currency gone because it ain't backed by anything solid, like Gold. Really not sure what honests weights and measures really means.
And yeah, there's things i don't agree with Ron Paul on...like abortion. But i would trust him to come to a compromise because let's face it 50% of the country supports a womans right to choose. He would come up with a way though to insulate people who disagree with the practice of abortion from having their tax payer money fund it...and that is something i wholeheartedly concur with even though i am 100% for a womans right to choose.
And RP is "jesusy"? what speech can you point to where he is 1/1000th as jesus as Santorum is?
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lartinos
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I am glad you post here again DT!
Hopefully Plunkey runs one day..
Hopefully Plunkey runs one day..
PICK3
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redsamurai
Banned
So you hugging plunkeys nutsack is ok but lartino's hugging the sack of someone that actually means something not ok?
PICK3
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So you hugging plunkeys nutsack is ok but lartino's hugging the sack of someone that actually means something not ok?
it's complicated
mrplunkey
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His website didn't say "weights and measures". It said we "must follow the Biblical mandate of using honest weights and measures".
And why would I think he's 1/1000th as jesusy as Santorium. I dunno... maybe this displayed right on his website:
“I have accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Savior, and I endeavor every day to follow Him in all I do and in every position I advocate.”
Here... let me help you read that one more time:
every day
all I do
follow Him
every position I advocate
redsamurai
Banned
that's still not 1/1000th as jesusy as Santorum who has openly stated he disapproves of what he considers "deviant" sexual practices even between heterosexual couples and thinks society has a moral obligation to police our bedrooms. Now that's beyond Jesusy cause i'm not even sure Jesus would have a problem with a married couple bringing each other off orally. But Santorum sure has a problem with it. We're back to this Augustine doctrine issue aren't we? Go do your research on Santorum before your fingers type out more nonsense along the lines of Ron Paul being more "jesusy" than Rick Santorum. Give your prefontal cortex a sporting chance already
Someone tell Santorum :
King David loved Jonathan more than women -
Eve loved Ruth as she loved Adam -
ect, ect. Picking and choosing verses is easy.
Santorum is an Idiot and doesn't know shit about the Bible. He just regurgitates.
King David loved Jonathan more than women -
Eve loved Ruth as she loved Adam -
ect, ect. Picking and choosing verses is easy.
Santorum is an Idiot and doesn't know shit about the Bible. He just regurgitates.
mrplunkey
New member
This is gonna be another one of those situations where you talk yourself into a corner. It reminds me of how we got 400% efficient turbines which is now the stuff of EF legend.
Let's try a little thought experiment. Imagine 1,000 situations where someone's actions could be influenced by Christian doctrine.
Now let's test your boy Ron Paul first. How will he answer? That one is easy:
“I have accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Savior, and I endeavor every day to follow Him in all I do and in every position I advocate.”
So that would be 1,000 out of 1,000 -- a perfect score!
Now let's do Santorium. How will he answer? Well that one simply doesn't matter. The maximum he can answer Jesusy is 1,000.
So what's the best he can do? Tie.
But I do concede I enjoy being entertained by people who don't understand logic and mathematics.
redsamurai
Banned
So it's a tie in your eyes? really? And that was ur highly touted logic sample? anybody can google this so i'm not going to argue, Ron Paul is a 100th of the social engineering right wing whack hat that Rick Santorum is. Ron Paul says he accepts jesus as his lord and savior...find me where he has said he espouses "MORE" govt in our private lives the way Rick Santorum has. You can't find it so don't bother. You started off in this thread with some semblance of a real argument that RP is perhaps more socially conservative then most people recognize....but now ur just dipping into absurd hyperbole which is where you always go because you are weak.
mrplunkey
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I love watching the hypocrisy of a libtard supporting a hyper-conservative, super-jesusy candidate whose views just aren't that different from others among the conservative right.
Let's get real here for a second. Ron Paul appeals to true libertarians, a lot of the tin foil hat crowd, many social conservatives and a streak of hipster 20-somethings who want to be off the beaten path.
Now let's sort through the facts: You aren't one of those 20-something hipsters anymore. You're a creepy 30-something guy who lingers around school because he's unemployable. And guess what? You weren't one of those cool kids when you were in your 20's either. You were creepy then too. So what does your future look like? I'll tell you. It's bouncing from physical fitness board-to-board making retarded statements and playing e-knight to a bunch of wimminz who will e-reject you online as much as they do IRL. You can look forward to perpetual unemployment, endless appeals for more government assistance, perpetual paid-unpaid killer hay bailing internships, and social rejection for all the days of your life.
HTH!
redsamurai
Banned
just went to his website, perchance where did you find this Biblical based demand for honest weights and measures? I didn't see anything like that. What i saw was a call to end the fed. Yes I saw his stance on abortion and I don't agree with it...but it's pretty much the only thing i don't agree with him on. ALthough it sounds like he'd push the issue to states rights. Something I wouldn't terribly like but i would abide by. Sooooo....what was ur point again? Oh you wanna now call me creepy e-knight something or other? haha do a crane kick for me danielson and don't forget the green belt or else. 
mrplunkey
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just went to his website, perchance where did you find this Biblical based demand for honest weights and measures? I didn't see anything like that. What i saw was a call to end the fed. Yes I saw his stance on abortion and I don't agree with it...but it's pretty much the only thing i don't agree with him on. ALthough it sounds like he'd push the issue to states rights. Something I wouldn't terribly like but i would abide by. Sooooo....what was ur point again? Oh you wanna now call me creepy e-knight something or other? haha do a crane kick for me danielson and don't forget the green belt or else.
Let me google that for you
redsamurai
Banned
ahhh, context...you know how to spell it Brian right?
The full quote:
We must follow the Biblical mandate of using honest weights and measures – not printing money out of thin air in almost complete secrecy and then handing it over to oppressive dictators.
Ron is clear about his views that we need to go back to some sort of solid backing of the money supply, this does not mean going back to stacking hard currency on a scale for every purchase. But it sounds that way when you don't PROVIDE THE FULL FUCKING QUOTE green belt.
The full quote:
We must follow the Biblical mandate of using honest weights and measures – not printing money out of thin air in almost complete secrecy and then handing it over to oppressive dictators.
Ron is clear about his views that we need to go back to some sort of solid backing of the money supply, this does not mean going back to stacking hard currency on a scale for every purchase. But it sounds that way when you don't PROVIDE THE FULL FUCKING QUOTE green belt.
mrplunkey
New member
You fucking retard. He plastered the word BIBLICAL right in the middle of it.
It's odd how selective your reading is...
redsamurai
Banned
context monkey, context.
plunk you sound retarded about this...you are over exaggerating Ron Paul mentioning the Bible. Who cares if it says Bible in the quote....the Bible also says to love one another, is that not right since it is in the Bible? How about not to lie or steal, are those not ok since it was mentioned in the Bible? I agree with abortion, how would you have liked if your mom aborted you, low life fag. Santorum is way more jesusy, and then he endorses Romney lol what a fuckin mess. Ron Paul cares about our debt, cares about life, cares about our freedom, people who dont see that are stupid as shit. I may be wrong about a lot of shit on here but Ron Paul is def not one of them. Ron Pauls point is that our monetary system is fucked up. Plunk have you read the report from the partial audit of the Fed?
Who the fuck are you to talk about abortion, you were quick to take advice about trying to get your girl to abort when she was first preg if i recall
Everybodys all pro life and naive until they knock someone up
LLol i would never abort bro, u thought that would be best for me and i never agreed, if i said i did i didnt really mean it. Thats human life bor
mrplunkey
New member
Here's the title on the page where he mentioned the Biblical use of weights and measures:
You clearly don't even know what a context-based argument is. You're just running in circles now.
redsamurai
Banned
a valid question. I "think", not sure cause talking with this man is like spiraling into a black hole of nonsensical strictly hyperbole based double speak...but i think it started when Plunk called my hypocritical for supporting Ron Paul when i thought Santorum was, and clearly, an ultra ring wing arch conservative nutjob. So Plunky is now quite feebily attempting to paint Ron Paul as just as right wing as Santorum is which is utterly laughable and if i didn't know how Plunky's one trick fixated brain works I'd think he was joking. He saw the word bible in Ron Pauls website and has now thoroughly convinced himself and trying to convince everyone else to the viewpoint that Ron Paul is a secret right wing evangelical just waiting to tell us what we are allowed to do and not to do in the privacy of our own bedrooms(Despite that notion being completely and utterly anathema to the libertarian ideology). RP's one diversion from the libertarian agenda is on abortion, which i don't agree with him on at all....however one has to look at who's nomination he's running for. Without that verbage on his website he might as well run as a democrat. Plunky tried to make a big deal about the line "biblical honest weights and measures" but didn't include the full quote which is just classic plunk.
Plus he also desperately needs me to be the ultra left wing liberal he's tried to paint me as for years despite the fact I have clearly demonstrated a consistent left of center beleif structure my whole time here. Life can only exist at polar opposites for Plunky...he utterly cannot computate anything that doesn't adhere to that paradigm. Once something is at an extreme Plunky's brain can properly categorize it. Things are a constant source of tension to him when they are not neatly packaged at the poles.
mrplunkey
New member
Here's the cliff's notes answer:
One of our liberal whack-o posters here routinely advocates higher taxes, social liberalism and more government. But he also claims to support Ron Paul. Here are just a few of Ron Paul's views:
1) Restrictions on abortion
2) Elimination of all income taxes
3) Elimination of all capital gains taxes
4) Elimination of all inheritance taxes
5) Phasing-out of Social Security
6) Phasing-out of Medicare
7) Massive cuts of federal agencies
Other than abortion, redretard claims to support Paul's other views. Who wants to make a karma bookie bet on how long it's going to take for him to support taxing and regulating more?
he makes the most sense to me. Especially the fact that people dont understand the Federal Reserve System, elitists, bankers, etc. So many people are ignorant and most people believe what the media says. Thank god for the internet. The government cant take away our rights overnight, but they can slowly when you have people that are dumb and dont do their research. Most people believe our country can just stay in debt, and Ron Paul is the only one that is going after this problem.
You know Ron Paul is an elitist right?
Made Millions while the rest of America was losing their pensions.
Says no war on drugs, but makes millions on the war on drugs.
Says No one should get healthcare, but takes money from Medicare.
the list goes on dude.
mrplunkey
New member
You're actually a very good RP supporter.
You're young enough to realize you are going to get royally screwed when everything crashes.
An elitist would not want to end the fed, or get rid of federal agencies, or protect our rights. Surfe he is a politician so he has to play the game but imo he is risking his life every day with the message he is spreading. Whats even more amazing is the amount of supporters he has. MOst of the other people support a candidate and there hearts are not in it, Ron Paul supporters are true believers and passionate. He wouldnt be getting money from war on drugs, or medicare, if he abolished it. People need to google CFR, Bildeburg, Rothschild, Kissinger, etc. Recently he had the most military donations as well, over our PRESIDENT. He gets plenty of support, I dont believe he has the mindset of stealing from americans.
thanks bro. It makes me not wanna invest in a 401k the way social security is. BUt the union offers a 6% match, so i think i am going to.
needtogetaas
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Be nice to see something different for a change. Lord knows the rest of them are all the same scum bags..
machine23
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Thank you need2.. I just can't believe ppl don't see that
redsamurai
Banned
closing corporate loopholes is the only up regulation of taxes I support and you know it monkey. I actually support lowering the corporate tax rate drastically but closing off loopholes. Again nice try. I want a massive decrease in everyone's taxes....but that means it's comin out of the military industrial complex more than it's comin out of say public education which is vastly more important. I know Ron Paul's stance on public ed too...i know he wants to end it and eventually it should be once it can be assured that everyone in the country has access to basic education. There's alot of things i mostly agree with RP on but not completely, i'm ok with that. I'm not a monkey so I can make rational informed decisions when not "everything" i want is on the table. THink about that.
mrplunkey
New member
Hey retard... he wants to ABOLISH income taxes. Why would you need a loophole to lower the rate from 0%? What would a loophole take it to? 0.0%? maybe 0.00%?
Taxes|Ron Paul 2012 Presidential Campaign CommitteeRon Paul 2012 Presidential Campaign Committee
As President, Ron Paul will support a Liberty Amendment to the Constitution to abolish the income and death taxes. And he will be proud to be the one who finally turns off the lights at the IRS for good.
mrplunkey
New member
That's partially correct. He does want to prohibit the federal government from restricting or funding abortions.
But he also supports the Sanctity of Life Act -- which is a federal law that:
"defined human life and legal personhood (specifically, natural personhood) as beginning at conception,[7] [8] "without regard to race, sex, age, health, defect, or condition of dependency."[9]"
So it's a very clever move. Declare every unborn embryo a human life, then tell the states they can shape their own abortion policy as they wish. So basically any abortion is murder -- but the states are free to "regulate" abortion within that framework.
nimbus
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ahh shit
nimbus
New member
getting stuck with a kid and going to jail for a drug offense are my two biggest realistic fears
i thought ronny p was gonna hook me up but i guess not
Getting stuck with a kid is by far my biggest fear for probably at least 5 more years.
redsamurai
Banned
yes that is the eventual ideal of libertarians, i get it. Of course it means we would go to a completely misessian capitalist society and that entails the private ownership of "EVERYTHING". I've been lectured constantly for years on such a utopia by my best friend who attended the Mises institute. So I get it, libertarians eventually want to do away with ANY and ALL forms of govt. I know you're a pseudo intellectual but just ponder for a moment what a quantum shift, no what an ORDER OF MAGNITUDE <--lols kind of societal shift that would be. This would be decades away under the best case scenario. In all likelihood neither you nor I will see a society in our lifetime where all forms of centralized govt are abolished. So relax, take a lunesta and a deep breath and relax.
mrplunkey
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"he will be proud to be the one who finally turns off the lights at the IRS for good."
Let's see... Ron Paul is 76. Add a few of your decades to the estimate and he'd be 96.
So neither your reading comprehension nor your math skills work. I blame public schools and a horrible genetic starting point.
redsamurai
Banned
did you just make my point for me? yes you should be talking about genetics, u still tolerating the SARMS? <----laughing at your feeble attempt to malign my genetics while blatantly broadcasting on an open the forum the deficiency of yours.
mrplunkey
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Yes I am making fun of your horrible genetics.
I am making fun of your logic skills.
I am making fun of your ability to learn.
I am making fun of your inability to detect your own self-contradiction.
I am making fun of how you can jump on an ultra-conservative bandwagon while being filled with libtard views.
But in the end, it's not entirely a bad thing. The world needs hay bailers, dishwashers and janitors. So you are contributing to the capitalist system in your own way.
Lucky for you abortion is safe, easy, and cheap
I would never get an abortion. I believe it's wrong.
...but I'm pro-choice bc what other people do is their problem.
what do you do for BC
redsamurai
Banned
Well keep taking your Sarms then green belt. Nothing says my genetics suck then experimenting on yourself with unproven non clinicaly studied drugs. Even in my stupid 20's when i with full admission did stupid shit, didn't take stuff that there wasn't decades of medical literature on. In the end it was still weakness i succumbed to, to put anything synthetic in my body and overrule my own hormone production. But at least i can say i was in my 20's...what's your excuse? Even when i was using i never lost anything post cycle so never had to do PCT....you lose every last ounce. That's pretty shitty genetics there mate. As for me now...in the last 6-9 months i've eaten meat precisely one time, that being on St. Patty's day and only because it was at a relatives house. I'm a vegetarian and i'm still 240 and approaching my old numbers again. Oh and not even multi vitamins. Would seem my genetics > yours.
But yeah anyway about RP, thanks for backing up my point earlier you dolt.. Seriously, yet again that prefontal cortex of yours just gets helplessly left behind.
But yeah anyway about RP, thanks for backing up my point earlier you dolt..
Seriously, yet again that prefontal cortex of yours just gets helplessly left behind.
mrplunkey
New member
Awww... Are you reminiscing over the time you blew up your heart with Clenbuterol?
I love listening to you whine about board sponsors (SARMS) on a board whose core mission is to discuss the use of AAS. Hypocrite much?
And I also love how you conflate a 40-something using AAS under a doctor's care versus a simple-minded 20 year old who just started shooting shit. You deserve the outcome you got. My only regret is being forced to subsidize your feeble health as you age as an unemployable deadbeat.
I love listening to you whine about board sponsors (SARMS) on a board whose core mission is to discuss the use of AAS. Hypocrite much?
And I also love how you conflate a 40-something using AAS under a doctor's care versus a simple-minded 20 year old who just started shooting shit. You deserve the outcome you got. My only regret is being forced to subsidize your feeble health as you age as an unemployable deadbeat.
Well keep taking your Sarms then green belt. Nothing says my genetics suck then experimenting on yourself with unproven non clinicaly studied drugs. Even in my stupid 20's when i with full admission did stupid shit, didn't take stuff that there wasn't decades of medical literature on. In the end it was still weakness i succumbed to, to put anything synthetic in my body and overrule my own hormone production. But at least i can say i was in my 20's...what's your excuse? Even when i was using i never lost anything post cycle so never had to do PCT....you lose every last ounce. That's pretty shitty genetics there mate. As for me now...in the last 6-9 months i've eaten meat precisely one time, that being on St. Patty's day and only because it was at a relatives house. I'm a vegetarian and i'm still 240 and approaching my old numbers again. Oh and not even multi vitamins. Would seem my genetics > yours.
But yeah anyway about RP, thanks for backing up my point earlier you dolt..
mrplunkey
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I have a moral obligation to do it. While it's not good form to beat up the retarded kid, when he begs for it he becomes fair game.
redsamurai
Banned
And am now doing wkts that would blow your heart up. How am I a hypocrite? Do you see me at the AAS forum talking about roids? No i'm in the chat forum where they don't talk about roids. You don't follow clean logic do you?
mrplunkey
New member
Asking him to logic that out is like asking a dog to figure-out a Rubik's cube. You're just going to annoy the dog.
redsamurai
Banned
I was here in the late 90's and early 2000..for sure back then it was ALL about the AAS board. Not so anymore. None of the people here i actually give a fuck about cohabitate on the roid board much, if at all. Back when i started here there was no religious board or MMA forum. You think the owners haven't repositioned themselves "just a little bit" over the years? Think maybe that had something to do with the big roid witch hunt a few years back? There are now PLENTY of fucking people all over these boards that don't touch roids. And you know that so stfu.
The last thing a Ron Paul supporter is doing is jumping on the bandwagon lmao. That would be sanorum or romney or obama
This is easily the biggest board Ive seen or been on and yes it may have diversified over the years but in the end its still the largest steroid board out there with a lot of juicers. So unless youre polling all the thousands of people here you dont know but my bet is theres probably a very appreciable amount of people who are interested in juice or have done juice in chat but since its chat you wouldnt know for sure since its not the roid area. Unless you know all the people who do juice from the AAS board and follow them to chat in which case you have entirely too much time on your hands.
redsamurai
Banned
when i left the AAS board and started posting almost exclusively here or the politics/religion forum...i saw "no one" from the AAS board. Obviously i know some people like plunkey himself go over there but c'mon Dave...there's a shit ton of people here that go nowhere near the AAS board unless they've got alts, which is entirely possible.
mrplunkey
New member
I enjoy watching you bash board sponsors as well as juice overall, then sponge-off the site by refusing to go platinum.
What's the problem? Can you not roll-up that $11 per month into a student loan package? Just tell uncle sam this is a research tool for cybercollege and get him to pay like you've done everything else.
redsamurai
Banned
bash board sponsors? like who? i don't even know who board sponsors are.
mrplunkey
New member
redsamurai
Banned
ok now how would i know that if i don't ever go to the AAS board?
redsamurai
Banned
and where did i bash them? can you come up with that post or not?
mrplunkey
New member
Now watch very closely retard. This is how you answer a call-out:
See how it works? You ask me to back something up and I deliver proof.
Do you realize you've never successfully done that in the history of our little chats?
P.S. SARMS has undergone quite a few clinical studies.
redsamurai
Banned
this is your proof that i bashed a "BOARD SPONSOR"..???
dude, critisizing your use of PED's for someone supposedly and laughably walking around with good genetics is not bashing a board sponsor you stupid idjit
redsamurai
Banned
this is where you prove nearly every claim i make about you.
redsamurai
Banned
holy crap you've done alot of gear mr genetics...lmfao!!!
Even when i was on i didn't do anywhere near the volume you did. Man that must suck, all that joose and not much to show for it. Wonder what you've done to your endocrine system that will show up around 50. Good work dude, way to ensure you have to joose for life to get a boner. Enjoy your limp cock life.
Even when i was on i didn't do anywhere near the volume you did. Man that must suck, all that joose and not much to show for it. Wonder what you've done to your endocrine system that will show up around 50. Good work dude, way to ensure you have to joose for life to get a boner. Enjoy your limp cock life.
redsamurai
Banned
yeah probably cause you don't push it. Just wait. You'd better be gettin echo's every damn year and have an angiogram almost with the same frequency. Knowing the shit you likely stuff down your piehole cause "I needs to bulk up", you've probably got some sort of blockage going on. Difference between you and me is that when i'm 60 i will still be doing wkts that you would have struggled with in your prime. Well actually two differences, you long past your prime...i haven't even begun.
mrplunkey
New member
yeah probably cause you don't push it. Just wait. You'd better be gettin echo's every damn year and have an angiogram almost with the same frequency. Knowing the shit you likely stuff down your piehole cause "I needs to bulk up", you've probably got some sort of blockage going on. Difference between you and me is that when i'm 60 i will still be doing wkts that you would have struggled with in your prime. Well actually two differences, you long past your prime...i haven't even begun.
Have you ever had an angiogram or EP analysis?
redsamurai
Banned
angiogram yes...EP analysis? Is that a different term for an echo? Cause i've had that too.
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