Top Ten Creationist Arguments Part 1 and 2

[bigpokey]

lol samoth u must be really bored bro

 

[samoth]

lol samoth u must be really bored bro

LOL, I guess so. I guess so.

I never poast in these religious threads. I'm just trying to move the discussion into a moar interesting and relevant direction. Neither Java nor Cindy are teh dumb, and they can both learn much from a constructive analysis of they're respective arguments.

 

[javaguru]

pretty sure you've never head a TOTW...


just sayin'

Just shows how little you know...

 

[javaguru]

See what folks fail to realize is that he has gotten his ass kicked on every debate about God, but he can't handle defeat, so he's possessed to win a debate. Which he cant, so he plays his little passive aggressive games and we play ours....

I don't really care about the existence of a supernatural creator, it's the specific religious claims made by humans that matter. Craig is a great philosopher but I've been waiting for him to produce a reasoned argument for believing in Christianity over the tens of thousands of religions I could believe in other than Christianity...all he seems to have is..."The Bible is the word of God." I can get that from any religion...

 

[javaguru]

Hi archaic interweb meme!

Seriously though, I would like to see a moar fundamental debate on this topic. There exist interesting points on both ends, and it's a shame to see them relegated to the point of youtube video poast flame.

You're assuming people want to learn and question their beliefs, most people won't; It's human nature.

 

[cindylou]

I don't really care about the existence of a supernatural creator, it's the specific religious claims made by humans that matter. Craig is a great philosopher but I've been waiting for him to produce a reasoned argument for believing in Christianity over the tens of thousands of religions I could believe in other than Christianity...all he seems to have is..."The Bible is the word of God." I can get that from any religion...

How have you not heard him or anyone produce a reasonable argument for Christianity? I'd poast ore but I'm drunk

This is how Craig brings it to Christianity; He makes these arguments:

There is a God that exits outside time/space
God fine tuned the universe for life
Morality depends on God
Jesus came back from the dead somehow by God (empty tomb, postmortem appearances can all be established) and they are independent reports of an empty tomb. Maybe I'll post tomorrow if I feel like wasting my time

but ANYWAY none of those prove biblical inerrancy. Craig also makes that argument but you don't have to accept that. No one has to accept anything. No one has to accept traditional Christianity (trinity etc) all his arguments above show is an historical case for ressurection of Jesus without the bible being divinely inspired...you don't have to accept most of the Christian doctrine.

I take that a step further and believe the bible is inerrant...but that does not matter...look up his arguments... Christians are not unreasonable. STFU!

 

[javaguru]

How have you not heard him or anyone produce a reasonable argument for Christianity? I'd poast ore but I'm drunk

This is how Craig brings it to Christianity; He makes these arguments:

There is a God that exits outside time/space
God fine tuned the universe for life
Morality depends on God
Jesus came back from the dead somehow by God (empty tomb, postmortem appearances can all be established) and they are independent reports of an empty tomb. Maybe I'll post tomorrow if I feel like wasting my time

but ANYWAY none of those prove biblical inerrancy. Craig also makes that argument but you don't have to accept that. No one has to accept anything. No one has to accept traditional Christianity (trinity etc) all his arguments above show is an historical case for ressurection of Jesus without the bible being divinely inspired...you don't have to accept most of the Christian doctrine.

I take that a step further and believe the bible is inerrant...but that does not matter...look up his arguments... Christians are not unreasonable. STFU!

Well, the bible is a political document and archaeology has shown it to be wrong on just about everything...I can probably find hundreds of people that have seen Elvis and Michael Jackson after their supposed deaths. The bible also claims the dead arose in Israel, not just jesus, but there is no account of that or the resurrection of jesus outside the bible in the historical record....I'm pretty sure a zombie plague would have been recorded outside the bible had it actually happened.

 

[cindylou]

Well, the bible is a political document and archaeology has shown it to be wrong on just about everything...I can probably find hundreds of people that have seen Elvis and Michael Jackson after their supposed deaths. The bible also claims the dead arose in Israel, not just jesus, but there is no account of that or the resurrection of jesus outside the bible in the historical record....I'm pretty sure a zombie plague would have been recorded outside the bible had it actually happened.

oookay ....what does that have to do with anything? You're wrong but it is still irrelevant to the faith

 

[bigpokey]

sookie is so off the chain fine

 

[javaguru]

oookay ....what does that have to do with anything? You're wrong but it is still irrelevant to the faith

Indeed, faith means you believe regardless of the evidence.