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you guyss arent gunna believe this shit....

drols of steel said:
Here are some pro's and some cons for your situation as follows:
PRO: By Pre-Loading 10 seperate syringes you give your self the opportunity to squirt out the contents of the syringes providing you have enough time.

CON: You now have 10 seperate units that if caught and found will be seperatly analyzed and you will now be charged with 10 seperate counts of posession or worse yet considering the amount of containers quite possibly Posession with intent to deliver, which is a Felony. In that case plan on being kicked out of school among possible jail time.

The solution: Leave everything at a safe house and no matter how inconvenient go there and administer your shots at that location therefore avoiding ever being caught with said gear in your posession. I realize this is inconvienient but I'm sure your Freedom and Education is worth it.
Be Smart Brother, and good luck...Drol's ;)

minus the shitty part of having to go everyday for the firt three week ( because im running susp) i would def do that cause im jut gunna be doing shots every 3 days
 
CO B-man said:
If they pull you over for suspected drunk driving and search your car because they thought they smelled alcohol but found pot does that mean they have to let you go because they were looking for alcohol. No difference

And if it turned out you had no alcohol in your system, the search may well be thrown out in court as insufficient evidence because the story of "smelling alcohol" could not have been true.

Dont tell me Im wrong, you are wrong, I was in an incident just like this and I got off scott free, charges dropped even though I had something illegal in my car ( not saying what ). But I had a lawyer, and I refused to answer ANY questions when I was pulled over. And I hadnt had a sip of alcohol or smoked anything as backed up by tests. The cops had no legitimate reason to search my car, so they did just like you said and made something up. But the charges were thrown out.
 
Also, someone mentioned this earlier. They DO need a warrent to search the locked safe. But believe me, all they have to do is call it in and they will have one in 30 minutes. All the while, not letting you out of their site so ur screwed either way.

Searches involving a car: If the trunk is locked, they would need a warrent to enter it. But once again, all they have to do is call it in and they will get one.

Now let's say a cop has a warrent to search the house and happens to find something in the back yard. If he's smart, he will leave it alone and call in for another warrent. If he grabs it and tries to use it in court without obtaining the 2nd warrent, he fucked. It's not admisable. Just a little FYI for all of you deviants out there.
 
KD1 said:
And if it turned out you had no alcohol in your system, the search may well be thrown out in court as insufficient evidence because the story of "smelling alcohol" could not have been true.

Dont tell me Im wrong, you are wrong, I was in an incident just like this and I got off scott free, charges dropped even though I had something illegal in my car ( not saying what ). But I had a lawyer, and I refused to answer ANY questions when I was pulled over. And I hadnt had a sip of alcohol or smoked anything as backed up by tests. The cops had no legitimate reason to search my car, so they did just like you said and made something up. But the charges were thrown out.


O.k. whatever you say ! I am sure you got off and what you did was very smart not talking. That saved you I am sure. The cops took it too far for the circumstances you were in and I believe you proved that they made it up by not having anything in your system. And to a point that is correct but they did find marijuana in the guys house and they were looking for more marijuana when they discoverred the gear if that is the case then it does not matter. talking about two different things
 
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its a gray area....could it be faught maybe...but because there were illegal substances out in the open it gives probable cause. If they just came for underage drinking and there were no roaches around then they would need a warrent to check the safe. Basically same goes for your car. If your glove box is locked they would need a warrent to go in to the glove box if you said no. But if you say no..then duh your guilty your probably hiding something. Samething in this case. If that person said no you cant then they would have to get a warrent. Its a fine line between probable cause and an illegal search. But they can legeally check anything that isnt locked down under probable cause.
 
Apexx said:
Also, someone mentioned this earlier. They DO need a warrent to search the locked safe. .


i believe that is true... it is a seperate search, further... if there was NO other contraband of any kind in that room and it was YOUR room, there would be no reason for that search warrant to be granted.

Also, how likely is it that the police would go through YOUR ENTIRE HOUSE, because of a couple half smoked joints in an ashtray?
 
Summary
The fourth amendment can be broken down into 2 distinct parts. The first part provides protection against unreasonable searches and seizures, although historically there have been myriad ways in which unreasonable searches were remedied. Modern jurisprudence has afforded the police officers an incentive to respect the amendment.

The second part of the amendment provides for the proper issue of warrants. When warrants are issued, there must be probable cause. Probable cause is tested using the "totality of circumstances" test as defined in Illinois v. Gates, 462 U.S. 213 (1983).

Another way to bifurcate the amendment is to see that one part deals with physical arrests and force by the state (police) and the other part deals with searching and seizing the person's effects: home and personal property.

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Reasonable expectation of privacy
Not every incident where an officer ascertains information is considered a "search." An officer who views something which is publicly viewable (for instance, by looking through the window of a house from the street) is not conducting a "search" of the house. In Katz v. United States, 389 U.S. 347 (1967), the Supreme Court ruled that there is no search unless an individual has an "expectation of privacy" and the expectation is "reasonable"—that is, it is one that society is prepared to recognize. So, for example, there is generally no search when officers look through garbage because there is no expectation that garbage is private (see California v. Greenwood, 486 U.S. 35 (1988)). Similarly, there is no search where officers monitor what phone numbers an individual dials (Smith v. Maryland, 442 U.S. 735 (1979), although Congress has placed statutory restrictions on such monitoring). This doctrine sometimes leads to somewhat unexpected results; in Florida v. Riley, 488 U.S. 445 (1989), the Supreme Court ruled that there was no expectation of privacy (and thus no search) where officers hovered in a helicopter 400 feet above a suspect's house and conducted surveillance.

The Supreme Court has also ruled that there can be no expectation of privacy in illegal activity. Therefore, investigations that reveal only illegal activity (such as some use of drug sniffing dogs) are not searches.

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Searches and seizures without warrants
A warrant is not necessary for a search or seizure under certain circumstances. Officers may search and seize objects that are in "plain view." Before the search and seizure, however, the officers must have probable cause to believe that the objects are contraband.

Similarly, "open fields"—pastures, open water, woods and other such areas—may be searched without warrant, on the basis that the individuals conducting activities therein had no reasonable expectations of privacy. Contrary to its apparent meaning, the "open fields" doctrine has been expanded to include almost any open space other than the land immediately surrounding a domicile (for instance, in Oliver v. United States 466 U.S. 170 (1984), the police ignored a "no trespassing" sign, trespassed onto the suspect's land without a warrant, followed a path several hundred yards, and discovered a field of marijuana. The Supreme Court ruled that no search had taken place. See also: open fields doctrine.

There are also "exigent circumstances" exceptions to the warrant requirement-for instance, if an officer reasonably believes that a suspect may destroy evidence, he might be permitted to seize the evidence without a warrant.

The Supreme Court has also held that individuals in automobiles have a reduced expectation of privacy, because vehicles generally do not serve as residences or repositories of personal effects. Vehicles may not be randomly stopped and searched; there must be probable cause or reasonable suspicion of criminal activity. Items in "plain view" may be seized; areas that could potentially hide weapons may also be searched. With probable cause, police officers may search any area in the vehicle. They may not, however, extend the search to the vehicle's passengers without probable cause to search those passengers.

Under common law, a police officer could arrest an individual (arrests constitute seizures, at least for the purpose of the Fourth Amendment) if that individual committed a misdemeanor in the officer's presence, or if the officer had probable cause to believe that the individual committed a felony. The Supreme Court has applied the common law rule in American jurisprudence. The officer in question must have had probable cause before making the arrest; evidence discovered after the arrest may not be retroactively used to justify the arrest.

The person must also be under arrest to allow a search to be relevant. A person merely detained, such as someone pulled over for a traffic stop, is not "under arrest"; once the traffic ticket is written there is no right to search without permission as no further search could possibly provide any additional evidence regarding the stop. A search without permission after a speeding ticket was written that discovered marijuana was determined to be unlawful under these conditions. Knowles v. Iowa, 525 US 113 (1998)

Another common law rule—that permitting searches incident to an arrest without warrant—has been applied in American law. The justification for such a search is that the arrested individual must be prevented from destroying evidence or using a weapon against the arresting officer. In Trupiano v. United States, 334 U.S. 699 (1948), the Supreme Court held that "a search or seizure without a warrant as an incident to a lawful arrest has always been considered to be a strictly limited right. It grows out of the inherent necessities of the situation at the time of the arrest. But there must be something more in the way of necessity than merely a lawful arrest." In United States v. Rabinowitz, 339 U.S. 56 (1950), the Court reversed its previous ruling, holding that the officers' opportunity to obtain a warrant was not germane to the reasonableness of a search incident to an arrest. The decision suggested that any area within the "immediate control" of the arrestee could be searched, but it did not define the term. In deciding Chimel v. California, 395 U.S. 752 (1969), the Supreme Court elucidated its previous decisions. It held that when an arrest is made, it is reasonable for the officer to search the arrestee for weapons and evidence. Similarly, it was held that it is reasonable for the officer to search the area within the arrestee's immediate control, that is, the area from which the defendant may gain access to a weapon or evidence. A search of the room in which the arrest is made is therefore permissible, but the same is not true of a search of other rooms, as the arrestee would not probably be able to access weapons or evidence in those rooms at the time of arrest.

The reasonable grounds standard is further applied to searches of homes of individuals on probation.

It has been held that searches in public schools require neither warrants nor probable cause. (See New Jersey v. T. L. O., 468 U.S. 325 (1985)). It is merely necessary that the searching officers have reasonable grounds for believing that the search will result in the finding of evidence of illegal activity. Government offices may be searched for evidence of work-related misconduct by government employees on similar grounds. Searches of prison cells are subject to no restraints relating to reasonableness or probable cause; neither are searches conducted at the border (the "border search exception) (see United States v. Ramsey, 431 U.S. 606 (1977); United States v. Montoya de Hernandez, 473 U.S. 531 (1985); United States v. Flores-Montano, 541 U.S. __ (2004)) or searches undertaken as a condition of parole (see Samson v. California, 546 U.S. __ (2006). Finally, a search is reasonable if the target without coercion consents to the search, even if the target is unaware and not told about their right to refuse to cooperate.

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Conditions of searches
In general, a few things have been established. First, in an instance where a person has not been arrested and a search must be conducted in an area where a person has a reasonable expectation of privacy, law enforcement officials are required to gain permission from an arbiter, i.e. the courts, in order to be allowed to search someone. It is, for example, unlawful to force someone to undergo surgery to uncover incriminating evidence because that would interfere with the privacy of the human body. The application of this has been vague, however. Under HIPAA, for example, federal agents are allowed to search medical records through administrative subpoenas, which do not require court approval.

Also, the courts have established that in certain cases, probable cause is not necessary in order to conduct a search. If a police officer suspects you may present a threat to others, he has the right to frisk you on reasonable suspicion (see Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968)). If you are driving drunk, you are likewise open to be searched on reasonable suspicion. In the case of random drug tests, no probable cause must be established in order to force you to be tested.

Regarding what level of notification must be provided to those who are to be searched: in some cases, notification of not only being searched, but also what is being searched, is necessary. For example, if you are being provided the service of a pregnancy test, and your sample is used to determine whether or not you have used illicit drugs, that is an illegal means of search if you are not informed. In certain cases the courts have found that where there is reason to believe that notification will lead to the destruction of evidence or the endangerment of lives, the government is not required to notify the searched party. This has been applied in the case of delayed notification, where the government is not required to inform you that you or your residence has been searched. It remains difficult to determine, though, whether certain federal actions are truly legal, or are merely the result of poorly defined legal boundaries.

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Exclusionary rule
See also: exclusionary rule
At common law, all evidence, no matter how seized, could be admitted in court. In Weeks v. United States, 232 U.S. 383 (1914), however, the Supreme Court adopted the "exclusionary rule," under which evidence seized unlawfully is rendered inadmissible in court. The rule was made applicable to the states in Mapp v. Ohio 367 U.S. 643 (1961).

The exclusionary rule serves primarily to deter police officers from conducting unlawful searches and seizures. It has, however, a number of exceptions. In United States v. Leon, 468 U.S. 897 (1984), the Supreme Court applied the "good faith" rule and held that evidence seized by officers objectively and in good faith relying on a warrant later found to be defective was still admissible. The evidence would still be excluded if an officer dishonestly or recklessly prepares an affidavit forming the basis of the warrant, if the issuing magistrate abandons his neutrality, or if the warrant lacks sufficient particularity. It remains unclear whether the "good faith" exception applies to warrantless seizures. On January 8, 1974, the Supreme Court ruled that grand juries may use illegally obtained evidence in questioning witnesses. United States v. Calandra, 414 U.S. 338.

The Supreme Court has held the rule does not apply in certain situations: (1) probation or parole revocation hearings; (2) tax hearings; (3) deportation hearings; (4) when government officials illegally seize evidence outside the United States; (5) when a "private actor" (i.e., not a State employee) illegally seized the evidence; or (6) when the illegally seized evidence is used to impeach the defendant's testimony. Furthermore, a defendant has standing to object to the admission of unconstitutionally seized evidence only if such seizure violated his own Fourth Amendment rights; a defendant may not assert the rights of a third party.

Closely related to the exclusionary rule is the "fruit of the poisonous tree" doctrine, under which the government is prohibited from introducing any evidence that was obtained subsequent to and as a result of the illegal search.
 
X Man said:
this is college town we are talking about here so keep this in mind:

say cops come into a house for underage drinking, and see a few blunts laying around, does that give them permision to search an entire house. including locked safes which are like in the corner of a closet,of one person's which may happen to contain a few sustanon amps?

:coffee:

I'm in law school and I had criminal procedure last semester and this is an easy one to answer.

The key issue is how did they get into the house? If the owners of the house consented and allowed them to come in they are screwed. If drugs are in open view (or can be smelled - which is another issue) the police have can execute a protective sweep of the house if they have a reasonable suspicion that there is a danger to their safety.

Now this sweep must be reasonable in duration and scope. The police cannot go through drawers (or safes) for that matter...not yet anyway...

The critical issue that that one the police have seen drugs they have probable cause which (after they hit the protective sweep etc.) they can head to the magistrates office and get a warrant to search the rest of the property - and they can tear it up.
 
my plan is to keep the stuff at a safe house for a couple weeks and let things blow over... then go from there...


i found out that the one kid whos room they search, where they found a roach, had a safe and the officer admitted he needed a search warrant to open the safe...


legality this legailty that... i would rather now put myself in the postion where i needed a hot shot lawyer to get me out of something.. i simply dont have the money :worried:
 
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