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under_dawg said:
oh...sorry...lol...i stand corrected. so when do you reccommend starting a cycle? when do you know you're ready? i could potentially spend the rest of my life trying different diets and training methods? how do i know when i'm ready?
UD
How old are you? How much have you put into finding optimal TRAINING and DIET cycles for you?
 
I am 24 and have been training on and off since 18...seriously for a couple of years, was injured in a car accident and am back strong for the last two years....and I appreciate this help Silent, i hope you don't think i'm an ungrateful noob as i think Nelson said "trying to be ronnie coleman by friday"....i take my diet and training very seriously...
UD
 
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brotheriron said:
250mg test per week is a waste. Will shut down all natural production and will not give any benefits over natural levels of a healthy young male. Thats why at least 500mg per week is reccomended, preferably 750mg.
Bro

wrong - not a waste at all. on a first cycle one can make great gains with 250mg of test. i would recommend 500mg myself but 250 would work as well. shit i mean you do deca for 10-14 days you said, talk about a stupid waste of time
 
DaddyX said:


wrong - not a waste at all. on a first cycle one can make great gains with 250mg of test. i would recommend 500mg myself but 250 would work as well. shit i mean you do deca for 10-14 days you said, talk about a stupid waste of time

Yeah, you can make gains off 250mg of SUST or 200mg of Deca a week...but these are LONG ACTING DRUGS and they tend to build up in the system...so althought the first weeks are wasted, at one point, the drugs have build up to a certain level conductive for real growth
 
BigAndy69 said:


Yeah, you can make gains off 250mg of SUST or 200mg of Deca a week...but these are LONG ACTING DRUGS and they tend to build up in the system...so althought the first weeks are wasted, at one point, the drugs have build up to a certain level conductive for real growth

thats what im saying
 
under_dawg said:
I am 24 and have been training on and off since 18...seriously for a couple of years, was injured in a car accident and am back strong for the last two years....and I appreciate this help Silent, i hope you don't think i'm an ungrateful noob as i think Nelson said "trying to be ronnie coleman by friday"....i take my diet and training very seriously...
UD
Just understand that the plunge is a big step - and there are side effects to deal with. If you're going to hit a cycle, you're going to hit a cycle. Make sure you give it hell, through intense training and strict diet, if you do run one.

As for what you run, I really can't comment much on EQ doses for a first timer. I will say that I recomend a first timer limit himself to one base drug. For a first timer, the only stack I'd recomend might be suitable ancillary drugs.
 
under_dawg said:
silent...just out of curiosity...what was your first cycle? any regrets? what would you do differently?
UD
I planned 500 mg of omnadren for 8 weeks, but I had to cut it to 6 weeks for reasons beyond my control (having nothing to do with complications).

I ran 25 mg of proviron per day three weeks on, then nolva at 10 mg a day for 10 days, then back to three weeks of proviron and so forth.

I used traditional clomid for recovery together with high dose phosphatidyl serine and creatine as anti-catabolics post-cycle.

If I had it to do over again I would have kept the test, the proviron, and the dosages, but:


#1. Not used 20 guage 10cc pins.
#2. Timed it so I wouldn't have had to cut it short.
#3. Planned on 10 weeks.
#4. Paid much closer attention to diet and training.
 
I didnt say 250 of a long acting ester. I said 250mg per week of test is a waste and it is.

14 days of decca isnt a waste, when you know what your doing. Sadly you obviously dont.

I aint stupid, and like i said i listen to the people that know, not some 200lbs bloke who knows nothing
Bro
 
DaddyX said:
why is every newbie thinking they need any more than say 500mg of test ?........shit 250mg of test for 10 wks is enough for a first time or 400mg of EQ. this shit is getting out of hand :mad:

I completely agree.
 
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