Wtf !

[Silent Method]

i'm looking to put on some size...
i'd like to put on and keep around 10-15 lbs of lean mass...although i'd rather make smaller gains that i'll keep over the long run. the LAST thing i want to do is blow up with a quick 30lbs and end up losing 20!
UD

With some drugs this is absolutely normal. 10 solid pounds of muscle is 10 solid pounds of muscle. The kicker is that some people fail to recognize water retention for what it is.

 

[under_dawg]

exactly....but i'd rather avoid the bloat...so iguess my question is for my goals you reccommend 500mg Eq/week? i'd like to keep the doses to a minimum to avoid sides... and will i have to deal with any bloating?
UD

 

[under_dawg]

...and sorry DaddyX for hijacking this thread...but it's still kinda on topic right? this way we can maybe throw together a basic outline for all newbies and the right way to start juicing when the time is right???
UD

 

[Silent Method]

exactly....but i'd rather avoid the bloat...so iguess my question is for my goals you reccommend 500mg Eq/week? i'd like to keep the doses to a minimum to avoid sides... and will i have to deal with any bloating?
UD

Gime your stats, including bodyfat. Give me the same for last year and the year before. How's your diet, ho do you train, and what are your goals?

 

[under_dawg]

in the last two years went from about 155 to 205 and kinda lean right now...not sure about bodyfat but still got the abs....
diet...eating around 3500 calories a day and about 300g of Protien a day.
Training split: currently back to 5 days per week a bodypart per day...weights seem to be leveling off...this is after needsizes 5X5 routine for a while...i think i'm gonna rotate between the two for the next little while.
would like to get to around 225-230 eventually...maybe someday compete...
UD

 

[Silent Method]

in the last two years went from about 155 to 205 and kinda lean right now...not sure about bodyfat but still got the abs....

This is all I need. At a lean 25 pounds per year for two years, you are making gains at a phenomenal rate. You have a genetic gift my friend. You have NO need for steroids at this time.













Unless of course you're still physically immature and still growing - in which case you still have no need for drugs. How old are you?

 

[brotheriron]

250mg test per week is a waste. Will shut down all natural production and will not give any benefits over natural levels of a healthy young male. Thats why at least 500mg per week is reccomended, preferably 750mg.
Bro

 

[under_dawg]

that's the thing though...for the last couple of months, the growth has slowed and is minimal!
-brotheriron why do you say that? wouldn't anything above natural test levels be of benefit??
UD

 

[Silent Method]

that's the thing though...for the last couple of months, the growth has slowed and is minimal!

Then take a year or two to evaluate other training methods and diets.

-brotheriron why do you say that? wouldn't anything above natural test levels be of benefit??
UD

Read my first post in the thread.

 

[under_dawg]

oh...sorry...lol...i stand corrected. so when do you reccommend starting a cycle? when do you know you're ready? i could potentially spend the rest of my life trying different diets and training methods? how do i know when i'm ready?
UD