WTF is up with customs?

[HULKSTER]

HULKSTER: I just read "Although Oxandrolone itself does not cause a noticeable muscle growth it can clearly improve the muscle-developing effect of many steroids".
Do you agree with that? Is it not as strong as dbol?

Well, it all depends on whether or not you are more concerned with gaining mass (dbols), or gaining a lesser amount of QUALITY mass, even though it will be of a lean nature (anavar). Also, virtually all gains made on anavar are kept, while a sizable amount of mass CAN (I didn't say WILL) be lost by using dbol due to the water retention/bloating. So it comes down to:

1. What is your more important goal: larger mass or more strength? For me, it's strength (so I choose anavar over dbol).

2. What can you afford? Dbol is dirt cheap, anavar is expensive.

CONCLUSION: ANAVAR gives less mass as compared to the mass gained on a Dbol cycle, but the mass gained by using Anavar will be a much leaner, higher quality mass that will be retained----as opposed to DBOL, which will have a significantly greater amount of retained water as part of the overall weight you gain while using it.

 

[Juice Authority]

Well, it all depends on whether or not you are more concerned with gaining mass (dbols), or gaining a lesser amount of QUALITY mass, even though it will be of a lean nature (anavar). Also, virtually all gains made on anavar are kept, while a sizable amount of mass CAN (I didn't say WILL) be lost by using dbol due to the water retention/bloating. So it comes down to:

1. What is your more important goal: larger mass or more strength? For me, it's strength (so I choose anavar over dbol).

2. What can you afford? Dbol is dirt cheap, anavar is expensive.

CONCLUSION: ANAVAR gives less mass as compared to the mass gained on a Dbol cycle, but the mass gained by using Anavar will be a much leaner, higher quality mass that will be retained----as opposed to DBOL, which will have a significantly greater amount of retained water as part of the overall weight you gain while using it.

This is wrong. What are you copying what it says off the drug profiles and refrazing it in a way so it sounds like it's your thoughts???

Posted by HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex.

Dianabol often gets a bad rap for being nothing more than a "bloating" drug.While it is true that the initial onset of weight gains are usually induced by estradiol influenced edema,once the drug has been administered for consecutive weeks,many subsequent anabolic reactions take place(more than are listed in this study)and true HYPERTROPHY is realized.And contrary to popular opinion,it does not all fade away after discontinuation.They don't call it the breakfast of champions for nothingEnjoy my brothas....

Clin Sci (Colch) 1981 Apr;60(4):457-61


Effects of methandienone on the performance and body composition of men undergoing athletic training.

Hervey GR, Knibbs AV, Burkinshaw L, Morgan DB, Jones PR, Chettle DR, Vartsky D.

1. In a previous study of the effects of methandienone (Dianabol) on men undergoing athletic training, strength and performance increased, but not significantly more when the subjects were taking the drug than when they were taking placebo. The subjects did, however, gain more weight on the drug, with increases in total body potassium and muscle dimensions. It remained an open question whether the muscles had gained normal tissue or intracellular fluid. 2. In an attempt to distinguish between these possibilities the trial has been repeated, using as subjects seven male weight-lifters in regular training, and including measurements of total body nitrogen. As before, a dose of 100 mg of methandienone/day was given alternately with the placebo in a double-blind crossover experiment. The treatment periods lasted 6 weeks and were separated by an interval of 6 weeks. Body weight, potassium and nitrogen, muscle size, and leg performance and strength increased significantly during training on the drug, but not during the placebo period. 3. The finding of increased body nitrogen suggested that the weight gain was not only intracellular fluid. The increases in body potassium (436 +/- SEM 41 mmol) and nitrogen (255 +/- 69 g) were too large in proportion to the weight gain (2.3 +/- 0.4 kg) for this to be attributed to gain of normal muscle or other lean tissue, and imply gain of nitrogen-rich, phosphate-poor substance. Although this action of methandienone might be described as anabolic, the weight gain produced is not normal muscle.

 

[DeepZenPill]

What is wrong about his post? He stated that much of the mass gains on dbol are due to water retention (without an anti-aromatase) which is true. You reposted huck's thread that says the same thing: "While it is true that the initial onset of weight gains are usually induced by estradiol influenced edema..." Those studies you posted show that d-bol does cause hypertrophy, but during administration there will be temporary mass caused by water retention. And the info he posted is "common knowledge;" it is not necessarily taken from any profile site.

There's no need to flame and make wild accusations of plagiarism (yet again) if you're going to post misinterpreted studies.

 

[drug_against_war]

What the fuck does this dbol/anavar shit have to do with my post? Did these threads get mixed up somehow?
It seems like either way I won't be getting my shit. I hope they just seize it. Either way I ain't signing for shit...

 

[HULKSTER]

This is wrong. What are you copying what it says off the drug profiles and refrazing it in a way so it sounds like it's your thoughts???

Posted by HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex.

Dianabol often gets a bad rap for being nothing more than a "bloating" drug.While it is true that the initial onset of weight gains are usually induced by estradiol influenced edema,once the drug has been administered for consecutive weeks,many subsequent anabolic reactions take place(more than are listed in this study)and true HYPERTROPHY is realized.And contrary to popular opinion,it does not all fade away after discontinuation.They don't call it the breakfast of champions for nothingEnjoy my brothas....

Clin Sci (Colch) 1981 Apr;60(4):457-61


Effects of methandienone on the performance and body composition of men undergoing athletic training.

Hervey GR, Knibbs AV, Burkinshaw L, Morgan DB, Jones PR, Chettle DR, Vartsky D.

1. In a previous study of the effects of methandienone (Dianabol) on men undergoing athletic training, strength and performance increased, but not significantly more when the subjects were taking the drug than when they were taking placebo. The subjects did, however, gain more weight on the drug, with increases in total body potassium and muscle dimensions. It remained an open question whether the muscles had gained normal tissue or intracellular fluid. 2. In an attempt to distinguish between these possibilities the trial has been repeated, using as subjects seven male weight-lifters in regular training, and including measurements of total body nitrogen. As before, a dose of 100 mg of methandienone/day was given alternately with the placebo in a double-blind crossover experiment. The treatment periods lasted 6 weeks and were separated by an interval of 6 weeks. Body weight, potassium and nitrogen, muscle size, and leg performance and strength increased significantly during training on the drug, but not during the placebo period. 3. The finding of increased body nitrogen suggested that the weight gain was not only intracellular fluid. The increases in body potassium (436 +/- SEM 41 mmol) and nitrogen (255 +/- 69 g) were too large in proportion to the weight gain (2.3 +/- 0.4 kg) for this to be attributed to gain of normal muscle or other lean tissue, and imply gain of nitrogen-rich, phosphate-poor substance. Although this action of methandienone might be described as anabolic, the weight gain produced is not normal muscle.

I guess Juice Authority thinks that anytime someone posts common knowledge it has been copied. That's right, Juice Authority, it was Huckleberry Finnaplex who first came up with the idea for that post. Before that, NOBODY knew the difference between dbols and anavar. Thanks to Huck, a world of enlightenment has been brought to us...blah blah blah...cut the shit, Juice. This is the kind of nonsense that made Nelson Montana leave. You never offer anything constructive or any solid facts or advice of your own; all you do is skim my posts, as well as other EF members posts, and look for any little means possible to flame people. Grow up son.

 

[bbkingpin]

This is wrong. What are you copying what it says off the drug profiles and refrazing it in a way so it sounds like it's your thoughts???

Posted by HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex.

Dianabol often gets a bad rap for being nothing more than a "bloating" drug.While it is true that the initial onset of weight gains are usually induced by estradiol influenced edema,once the drug has been administered for consecutive weeks,many subsequent anabolic reactions take place(more than are listed in this study)and true HYPERTROPHY is realized.And contrary to popular opinion,it does not all fade away after discontinuation.They don't call it the breakfast of champions for nothingEnjoy my brothas....

Clin Sci (Colch) 1981 Apr;60(4):457-61


Effects of methandienone on the performance and body composition of men undergoing athletic training.

Hervey GR, Knibbs AV, Burkinshaw L, Morgan DB, Jones PR, Chettle DR, Vartsky D.

1. In a previous study of the effects of methandienone (Dianabol) on men undergoing athletic training, strength and performance increased, but not significantly more when the subjects were taking the drug than when they were taking placebo. The subjects did, however, gain more weight on the drug, with increases in total body potassium and muscle dimensions. It remained an open question whether the muscles had gained normal tissue or intracellular fluid. 2. In an attempt to distinguish between these possibilities the trial has been repeated, using as subjects seven male weight-lifters in regular training, and including measurements of total body nitrogen. As before, a dose of 100 mg of methandienone/day was given alternately with the placebo in a double-blind crossover experiment. The treatment periods lasted 6 weeks and were separated by an interval of 6 weeks. Body weight, potassium and nitrogen, muscle size, and leg performance and strength increased significantly during training on the drug, but not during the placebo period. 3. The finding of increased body nitrogen suggested that the weight gain was not only intracellular fluid. The increases in body potassium (436 +/- SEM 41 mmol) and nitrogen (255 +/- 69 g) were too large in proportion to the weight gain (2.3 +/- 0.4 kg) for this to be attributed to gain of normal muscle or other lean tissue, and imply gain of nitrogen-rich, phosphate-poor substance. Although this action of methandienone might be described as anabolic, the weight gain produced is not normal muscle.

Dude, what? Are you trying to reignite the whole Jibby Jabba - Citruscide flame war that developed on the Primo thread a few days ago? There is no comparison. Monkey see, Monkey do.

 

[blownvette]

HULKSTER: I don't know what all that nonsense is about, but thank you for answering my question. Money is not a problem for me, but I want to bulk, so I don't know if Anavar will work for me.

 

[genarr3]

It's very rude to highjack someones thread guys.

 

[HULKSTER]

It's very rude to highjack someones thread guys.

FIRST: I was answering a question SPECIFICALLY asked TO ME by an EF member.

SECONDLY: It was Juice Authority, not I or anyone else, who outright FALSELY accused me of copying Mod Huckleberry FINNaplex's article about dbols.

 

[blownvette]

I did hijack your thread, and I'm sorry. I just saw an opportunity to gain some info from someone more knowledgable. I am actually very interested in your topic. Sorry.