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:p (crossed the border) im now on var/primo (all oral). 10mg ed of var and 50mg of primo acetate. im in my first week.i was doing it topically with dmso gel but it smelled too bad and it was killing my skin. so im eating it now too. im climbing with clen too. feeling stronger. im interested in doing the no carb ketosis diet which i started on monday but totally messed it up last night. heheeh. or should i wait til after to get the most gains. whats ur opinion on my choice on supplements here and diet. and whatca think on my pics

5'5" 125lbs @ 16%bf on an electric hanheld)wanting to compete in a few months but these pics are 6 weeks old and im not as lean so i wanna work on that. im gonna go 7-8 weeks on this cycle. how many carbs should i eat. i eat very extremely clean but then i get cravings like 3x a week and have really big cheat meals mostly on dessert. i love brownies n crap. i want to put 3inches everywhere (arms n legs) n trim my waist down and stay the same size. i did a var only cycle with clen in december but i didnt do the clen right so i just added primo to this cycle so i know what to expect from the var n clen
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Wow. Well the pix look great! Welcome to the boards! I guess my first question is what is your goal w/ all this? I couldn't comment on anything until I know what you are looking to accomplish. Also can you list up your current stats? Competition or ? You are doing the primo dose 1/week? I'm confused about what you are "eating".
And what are you looking to accomplish w/ a no carb ketosis diet? I will NOT recommend a no carb diet because you really need the carbs. People can't build muscle on the Atkins diet. And also if you are cycling a stack like you are, I'd be looking to eat in accordance w/ your supps. I might recommend a carb cycling diet if you were looking to lose bodyfat, however you look very lean. If you cheat yourself on the nutrients you need to fuel muscle building, the whole var / primo is sort of pointless? And also can you post up your training & diet schedule?
 
Sassy69 said:
Wow. Well the pix look great! Welcome to the boards! I guess my first question is what is your goal w/ all this? I couldn't comment on anything until I know what you are looking to accomplish. Also can you list up your current stats? Competition or ? You are doing the primo dose 1/week? I'm confused about what you are "eating".
And what are you looking to accomplish w/ a no carb ketosis diet? I will NOT recommend a no carb diet because you really need the carbs. People can't build muscle on the Atkins diet. And also if you are cycling a stack like you are, I'd be looking to eat in accordance w/ your supps. I might recommend a carb cycling diet if you were looking to lose bodyfat, however you look very lean. If you cheat yourself on the nutrients you need to fuel muscle building, the whole var / primo is sort of pointless? And also can you post up your training & diet schedule?
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Thanks so much for the reply
5'5" 125lbs @ 18%bf wanting to compete in a few months but these pics are 6 weeks old and im not as lean so i wanna work on that. im gonna go 7-8 weeks on this cycle. so no carb but how many carbs should i eat. i eat very extremely clean but then i get cravings like 3x a week and have really big cheat meals mostly on dessert. i love brownies n crap. i want to put 3inches everywhere (arms n legs) n trim my waist down and stay the same size
 
Exactly what Sassy said.

AAS and no carb is a little silly - usually - AAS help you gain muscle. Muscle is hard to gain without high protein and MODERATE CARB intake ...... restrict you diet too much, and you will restrict your gains.

That is a lot for a first cycle - Var, Primo, AND Clen ..... how will you know what is working? Or what is a "bad" choice (side effects, bad reaction)? Typically, you should do one AAS at a time. Stacking should be reserved for later cycles - AFTER you do the compounds alone first.

Also, before taking AAS, your diet and training should be set. You need to PLAN first, then start supplementing. AAS is serious - can cause very serious, very permanent sides. There is no such thing as a side-free AAS.


Welcome!!!!!!! Glad you are here! :)
 
Daisy_Girl said:
Exactly what Sassy said.

AAS and no carb is a little silly - usually - AAS help you gain muscle. Muscle is hard to gain without high protein and MODERATE CARB intake ...... restrict you diet too much, and you will restrict your gains.

That is a lot for a first cycle - Var, Primo, AND Clen ..... how will you know what is working? Or what is a "bad" choice (side effects, bad reaction)? Typically, you should do one AAS at a time. Stacking should be reserved for later cycles - AFTER you do the compounds alone first.

Also, before taking AAS, your diet and training should be set. You need to PLAN first, then start supplementing. AAS is serious - can cause very serious, very permanent sides. There is no such thing as a side-free AAS.




Welcome!!!!!!! Glad you are here! :)
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i did a var only cycle with clen in december but i didnt do the clen right so i just added primo to this cycle so i know what to expect from the var n clen
thanx
 
When do you plan to compete? Are you talkign like 8 weeks from now? I want to say when you are gettign that close to show time its really hard to build because your diet should have you startign to lean down. If you are talkign figure comp, you need to get to around 10-11 % bf. Also you need to get your diet consistent w/ none of this 3 x/ week desserts. The idea of contest prep is not just training & leaning out, but also manipulating your metabolism to look a certain way at a certain time of day on show day. The only way to do this is through consistent diet and small changes along the way in response to your overall look & progress.

Can you be more specific about where you are relative to your competition date? That will really start to determine what you can expect out of your cycle & also how your diet should look.
 
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When do you plan to compete? Are you talkign like 8 weeks from now? I want to say when you are gettign that close to show time its really hard to build because your diet should have you startign to lean down. If you are talkign figure comp, you need to get to around 10-11 % bf. Also you need to get your diet consistent w/ none of this 3 x/ week desserts. The idea of contest prep is not just training & leaning out, but also manipulating your metabolism to look a certain way at a certain time of day on show day. The only way to do this is through consistent diet and small changes along the way in response to your overall look & progress.

Can you be more specific about where you are relative to your competition date? That will really start to determine what you can expect out of your cycle & also how your diet should look.
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i was really wanting to do a figure comp. in july but if i cant get lean enough by then then i could make the october comp.
 
amandaa727 said:
i was really wanting to do a figure comp. in july but if i cant get lean enough by then then i could make the october comp.
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When in July you look great I am sure if you get things in order you can be contest ready.
 
You know even just 5 years ago it was the norm for women to pump iron often for years before considering anabolic hormones. It seems like over the last 2 or 3 years it gradually become common for women to talk about using anabolics, even stacking them before they've even gotten close to exhausting their genetic capacity for muscle gain.

I dont get it. Is everyone in such a gigantic hurry now, or is it that no one thinks a worthy goal is worth the effort?
 
RW, I think it is an overall impatience of the world now. Everyone wants what they want YESTERDAY, but don't want to actually do a lot to get it.

I mean, if working out does a little, adding one AAS will add a lot, and stacking 2-3 compounds will do EVERYTHING FOR YOU. It is an ignorant view, IMHO.
 
amandaa727 said:
:p (crossed the border) im now on var/primo (all oral). 10mg ed of var and 50mg of primo acetate. im in my first week.i was doing it topically with dmso gel but it smelled too bad and it was killing my skin. so im eating it now too. im climbing with clen too. feeling stronger. im interested in doing the no carb ketosis diet which i started on monday but totally messed it up last night. heheeh. or should i wait til after to get the most gains. whats ur opinion on my choice on supplements here and diet. and whatca think on my pics

5'5" 125lbs @ 16%bf on an electric hanheld)wanting to compete in a few months but these pics are 6 weeks old and im not as lean so i wanna work on that. im gonna go 7-8 weeks on this cycle. how many carbs should i eat. i eat very extremely clean but then i get cravings like 3x a week and have really big cheat meals mostly on dessert. i love brownies n crap. i want to put 3inches everywhere (arms n legs) n trim my waist down and stay the same size. i did a var only cycle with clen in december but i didnt do the clen right so i just added primo to this cycle so i know what to expect from the var n clen
thanx
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Can you post your pics for non plats? I'm anxious to see! Thanks!
 
Daisy_Girl said:
RW, I think it is an overall impatience of the world now. Everyone wants what they want YESTERDAY, but don't want to actually do a lot to get it.

I mean, if working out does a little, adding one AAS will add a lot, and stacking 2-3 compounds will do EVERYTHING FOR YOU. It is an ignorant view, IMHO.
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I agree (another thing that annoys the crap out of me!). If it isn't what you referenced above, it's how many T-rex can I take while I still eat this pint of ice cream, hamburgers, etc. It seems like people refuse (a) to be patient and (b) to work hard and give up certain things to reach their goals.
 
RottenWillow said:
You know even just 5 years ago it was the norm for women to pump iron often for years before considering anabolic hormones. It seems like over the last 2 or 3 years it gradually become common for women to talk about using anabolics, even stacking them before they've even gotten close to exhausting their genetic capacity for muscle gain.

I dont get it. Is everyone in such a gigantic hurry now, or is it that no one thinks a worthy goal is worth the effort?
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1) AAS is more readily accessible both to get and information about via the internet.
2) Introduction of figure competition - lower barriers to entry than FBB, more "acceptable" to the general populous, more "career" opportunities that stem from it (e.g. fitness modeling, etc.)
3) Unstated fact that most competitors are using -- therefore implying that there is no chance of winning or going anywhere unless you are using. This is already an established case in FBB (unless strictly and regularly tested natural organizations). Because of the increasing number of people entering figure, the need to stand out among them becomes more pronounced.
4) Yep, its 'easier' -- the era of "quick results".
 
well im glad you all have found something to complain about. Thats not what this post was for. some of you talking about steroid use before exhausting natural ability. I've been training for 5yrs. i wasn't active when i was young and didnt eat enough protien so these 5 years have been hard work. but ive been training like a warrior and have improved my body temendously. those pics are pre cycle and i have a really nice full butt now which i didnt have that i BUILT MYSELF. and as far as the people talking about people popping pills while eating "cheat food" to avoid absorbing it - everyone has emotional problems in which they react differently to. some people use food, sex, drugs, booze ect for comfort. I am one of the people who use food (since i definatly am not into narcotics) to feel full inside. but as you can see im still "fit" . You dont need to knock anyone down. you know how much effort it takes to get to your goal and we all work our butts off regardless of what we take. its a lot of pressure we put on ourselves and congrats to those looking for help regarless if its cheat tabs or aas to get them to their goal. thats definatly better than not caring how they look and feel. i say " women, we are here for support. not judgement."
 
Well, that isn't helping anything.


Amanda can you post up specifically what you eat - take what you ate today and list it meal by meal w/ items in the meal & portions of each. And also specifically what you do for training & cardio. The AAS cycles are nothing more than supplements to a competition diet & training regimen. If you are doing things like gigantic dessert 3x/week and cycling, not only are you wasting your cycle, you are not going to get the goals that you are looking for - -you may get some muscle, but w/ the garbage diet you are not allowing your body to be slowly tweaked to achieve the competition goals you are looking for.

Let's start w/ what you are doing now as a context and look for ways to get you where you want to go. Often you dont' even need the cycles to get where you want to go and diet & training can do amazing things. But if those aren't in line, the rest is just a waste.
 
Sassy69 said:
Let's start w/ what you are doing now as a context and look for ways to get you where you want to go. Often you dont' even need the cycles to get where you want to go and diet & training can do amazing things. But if those aren't in line, the rest is just a waste.
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Exactly.
 
Sassy69 said:
Well, that isn't helping anything.


Amanda can you post up specifically what you eat - take what you ate today and list it meal by meal w/ items in the meal & portions of each. And also specifically what you do for training & cardio. The AAS cycles are nothing more than supplements to a competition diet & training regimen. If you are doing things like gigantic dessert 3x/week and cycling, not only are you wasting your cycle, you are not going to get the goals that you are looking for - -you may get some muscle, but w/ the garbage diet you are not allowing your body to be slowly tweaked to achieve the competition goals you are looking for.

Let's start w/ what you are doing now as a context and look for ways to get you where you want to go. Often you dont' even need the cycles to get where you want to go and diet & training can do amazing things. But if those aren't in line, the rest is just a waste.
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cardio- empty stomach 30min(elliptical-stairstepper)- 6days week
breakfast- 6egg whites 1/2cup oatmeal
snack-cottage cheese n berries
workout- ( mon-shoulders tues-quads wed-back thurs-hams n glutes Fri-arms) abs n calves 3x week
snack- fat free sugar free frozen yougurt
Lunch-chicken/fish(steamed) n 1/2 cup brown rice
snack- 6 eggwhites n 1cup puffed corn
dinner-tuna n broccoli
snack- protien shake n penutbutter/celery
=1500cals but then i end up eatting something bad latter or i eat too much healthy stuff and then my avereage calorie intake is 2800-4000cals a day. i dont know how im not gaining much fat weight. im definatly softer but still the same size. but i bought some things to curb my appetite. i stopped the clen cus i think it was making me hungry.
supplements-vitamin,lean tabs(rock!),hoodia,cla,5-htp,milk thystle,digestive enzymes, flax seed,chromium picolinate with hydroxycitric acid.
i put more pics to see my changes. muscles are bigger but definatly softer. got to get the bodyfat down.
 
Thx for the more detail. It would really help you if you put that meal plan into a food counts program so you know what the macronutrient break down is first. 1500 cals is a decent cal count but I coudlnt' tell you what the protein / carb / fat is. And as far as the dessert stuff, I can't tell you how much those binges are going to screw up your progress. For all the work you are doign w/ the diet, cardio and training to get your body to respond, its like having a high performance Lamberghini running the best gasoline you can get, and then throwing mud in the tank.

You are in great shape now & if you chose to go after a figure competition in July I believe you could easily do it. Assuming you tighten up the diet. Right now, you are roughly 12 weeks out then? That's easily do-able.

I'm not familiar w/ lean tabs, and PLEASE tell me what you think of the hoodia stuff (i'm taking Dietex which is an appetite suppressant based on hoodia w/ some other stuff), but don't look to those to be the soul source of appetite control for the dessert thing. If you are looking for diet guidance, I think that Shadow's diet will work well for you because what you really need is just a consistent diet.

For competition, I think you have a great base & you aren't having to deal w/ a lot of extra bodyfat. If you are 16% now, its not a big deal to get down to 10-12% for you. You've got long lean legs and no butt saggage. I think you want to get your delts to cap out a little more and get a little more on your legs - a little more sweep on the lower half. Also whatever you can get on your arms, but focus more on getting the wide shoulders and just generally tighten up everything. The only thing I'd comment on w/ the training is to maybe cut your abs down to no more than 2x / week -- you want a long lean torso, and lots of ab work can get you wider than you want. The diet will get you the six -pack.
 
Sassy69 said:
Thx for the more detail. It would really help you if you put that meal plan into a food counts program so you know what the macronutrient break down is first. 1500 cals is a decent cal count but I coudlnt' tell you what the protein / carb / fat is. And as far as the dessert stuff, I can't tell you how much those binges are going to screw up your progress. For all the work you are doign w/ the diet, cardio and training to get your body to respond, its like having a high performance Lamberghini running the best gasoline you can get, and then throwing mud in the tank.

You are in great shape now & if you chose to go after a figure competition in July I believe you could easily do it. Assuming you tighten up the diet. Right now, you are roughly 12 weeks out then? That's easily do-able.

I'm not familiar w/ lean tabs, and PLEASE tell me what you think of the hoodia stuff (i'm taking Dietex which is an appetite suppressant based on hoodia w/ some other stuff), but don't look to those to be the soul source of appetite control for the dessert thing. If you are looking for diet guidance, I think that Shadow's diet will work well for you because what you really need is just a consistent diet.

For competition, I think you have a great base & you aren't having to deal w/ a lot of extra bodyfat. If you are 16% now, its not a big deal to get down to 10-12% for you. You've got long lean legs and no butt saggage. I think you want to get your delts to cap out a little more and get a little more on your legs - a little more sweep on the lower half. Also whatever you can get on your arms, but focus more on getting the wide shoulders and just generally tighten up everything. The only thing I'd comment on w/ the training is to maybe cut your abs down to no more than 2x / week -- you want a long lean torso, and lots of ab work can get you wider than you want. The diet will get you the six -pack.
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thank you for your input. the hoodia is alright but when u team it up with lean tabs whoa! good stuff. ive been on it two days and i lost all the water weight so i instantly look leaner and wow on the energy (happy, feel good energy)and my appetite is definatly lower. i didnt notice any change with hoodia alone until i started lean tabs by fizogen. im hoping to put a couple inches of muscle mass everywhere get some big sexy theighs and arms but i think w/ these lean tabs teamed with my aas, i can get there and get a lean midsection. ive never had abs and i have developed them nicely but they arent visible cus of my diet but now that i have my cravings under control. we'll see. i'll keep posting my progress. thanks.
 
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This website is the LAST place anyone needs to justify using steroids. They are a cosmetic means to an end. No different than lipo or botox.
 
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This website is the LAST place anyone needs to justify using steroids. They are a cosmetic means to an end. No different than lipo or botox.
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Not sure which comment this was in regard to, but I think my comment was to particularly getting the dessert thing under control. That will destroy any progress regardless of what methods are being used.
 
Ulter said:
This website is the LAST place anyone needs to justify using steroids. They are a cosmetic means to an end. No different than lipo or botox.
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Yes, but they should never be taken lightly. It is not a case of "justifying" their use - rather, is this the point in time when AAS is most warranted?
 
HOT DAMN! You are gorgeous. I can see the difference in you legs too. :shocked: You even have beautiful skin :)


Whatever you are doing is working and as long as you are being safe with your body, you should not have to justify anything with AS. I've pondered it for the simple reason of added strength. Get an edge on my job/career. Nothing to do with vanity.
 
Daisy_Girl said:
Yes, but they should never be taken lightly. It is not a case of "justifying" their use - rather, is this the point in time when AAS is most warranted?
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You didn't make any suggestion as to the right or wrong time. But rather you only implied it was merely a shortcut.

"I mean, if working out does a little, adding one AAS will add a lot, and stacking 2-3 compounds will do EVERYTHING FOR YOU. It is an ignorant view, IMHO."

My post wasn't only a response to yours BTW.

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My post was not directed directly to the poster. Rather it was in response to a post asking about why people jump to AAS quicker now.

But yes, this thread was an example of the impatience of most of society today. Training for 1, 2, 5 or even 10 years does NOT mean you have reached your genetic potential - or that AAS is the answer. Proper supplementation, diet and training can ALWAYS be tweaked to bring about change and progress.

And it IS ignorant to think stacking 2-3 compounds early is the answer - for any of us. Ignorant does not mean stupid - it means uninformed. It is VERY silly to stack 2-3 things right off the bat. What will the second cycle be? 5 compounds?
 
wow its been a week and i still havent cleaned up my diet. ive barely been eating food. mostly fat free/ sugar free frozen yogurt. its bad. emotional eating i guess. but im starting to eat right now. im 3 weeks in and i have 5 more to go im gaining good muscle mass though. im sure it would be more if i ate properly. i feel bloated. i gaind 10 fat/water from eating like crap. im 135lbs right now and my normal weight is 120-125. i my clothes are so tight and i cant fit in anything but check out my back! ive got 5 weeks left and i need to make it quality. im so tired all the time too. so my only sides are fatique, BLOATING and very light, invisible acne on my arms. wow i hope i have a good post in two weeks and i can say how lean i am from sticking with my diet, cuz im so pissed at myself and i feel neglective to my poor body. i stopped taking the lean tabs til after im done with everything else cuz my liver n kidneys prob need the break.
 
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wow its been a week and i still havent cleaned up my diet. ive barely been eating food. mostly fat free/ sugar free frozen yogurt. its bad. emotional eating i guess. but im starting to eat right now. im 3 weeks in and i have 5 more to go im gaining good muscle mass though. im sure it would be more if i ate properly. i feel bloated. i gaind 10 fat/water from eating like crap. im 135lbs right now and my normal weight is 120-125. i my clothes are so tight and i cant fit in anything but check out my back! ive got 5 weeks left and i need to make it quality. im so tired all the time too. so my only sides are fatique, BLOATING and very light, invisible acne on my arms. wow i hope i have a good post in two weeks and i can say how lean i am from sticking with my diet, cuz im so pissed at myself and i feel neglective to my poor body. i stopped taking the lean tabs til after im done with everything else cuz my liver n kidneys prob need the break.
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not a lot of ppl can stick to a strict diet. just try your best. determination and constant reminding to stay on a strict diet. good luck. p.s. sorry to hear about the emotional eating....
 
"Not a lot of people can stick to a strict diet" --- this is one of those points about using AAS. If you are willing to put hormones in your body that can potentially beat on your liver, how can you not be committed enough to just not eat shit??? IMO if you are going to use AAS to make certain gains, then you are already pre-fucking yourself if you can't get your diet (which costs you nothing, is legal, and does not stress your body) in order.

This is part of the rant about using AAS and having a well-established & consistent diet & training regimen before even going near AAS. If your diet & training do not support the stress you are putting yoru body thru already w/ the addition of AAS, you are simply not ready / mature enough/ prepared enough / educated enough to use AAS. You are cheating yourself out of the potential results from the cycle AND you continue to put additional stress on your body from both the AAS AND the shit diet.

Amanda - sorry for the rant, but sweetie, if you are going to stack AAS, please do yourself a favor and just clean up your diet ASAP. THere's really absolutely no excuse to complain about progress if you aren't going to do the diet part. And I always say w/ regard to competition, and I would apply it to AAS use. You either do it (and do it all the way, no room for cheats, whining or shitty habits that will just put more stress on your body) or you don't. Simple as that.
 
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oh btw. any one with a snackin prob. try this. drain a can of qarbonzo beans (chick peas) and bake em in the oven for 20min and they are crunchy like chips but a little tender in the center. yummy. i read it in a fitness mag. oh and my friend just told me the fda lifted the ban on ephedra.
 
Sassy69 said:
"Not a lot of people can stick to a strict diet" --- this is one of those points about using AAS. If you are willing to put hormones in your body that can potentially beat on your liver, how can you not be committed enough to just not eat shit??? IMO if you are going to use AAS to make certain gains, then you are already pre-fucking yourself if you can't get your diet (which costs you nothing, is legal, and does not stress your body) in order.

This is part of the rant about using AAS and having a well-established & consistent diet & training regimen before even going near AAS. If your diet & training do not support the stress you are putting yoru body thru already w/ the addition of AAS, you are simply not ready / mature enough/ prepared enough / educated enough to use AAS. You are cheating yourself out of the potential results from the cycle AND you continue to put additional stress on your body from both the AAS AND the shit diet.

Amanda - sorry for the rant, but sweetie, if you are going to stack AAS, please do yourself a favor and just clean up your diet ASAP. THere's really absolutely no excuse to complain about progress if you aren't going to do the diet part. And I always say w/ regard to competition, and I would apply it to AAS use. You either do it (and do it all the way, no room for cheats, whining or shitty habits that will just put more stress on your body) or you don't. Simple as that.
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This bears repeating OVER AND OVER.

Doing the research on the drugs and having a "good body" to begin with does NOT make it a good idea to take drugs. It is a stupid idea. If you can't clean up your diet, then you have no business taking drugs. That simple.
 
listen up daisy-girl, you have had nothing to say. you're just agreeing and disagreeing. really, whats ur problem? are u just a negative person? the comment about me jumping to aas. well thats what this site is mostly about. Thats why im here: to share my experience so that it may help someone else and to learn from experienced people as well. why r u here? and btw, this is my second and last cycle, the first was var only and i just added primo. that doesnt seem like a crazy thing to do like the way ur making it sound. I was under the impression that that was a beginners cycle anyway! ive been training for 5yrs so i think im ok at this point to try something to get over this plateau. and ur acting like ive ruined my cycle by eating cookies. shit! ive obviously recognized it and im doing something about it. i have plenty of time left on my cycle to make some amazing progress. how bout looking on the bright side sometimes. i mean look at my pics, im not bad off. i look pretty damn good for doin it on my own as an amateur with no experience and no one around me into fitness. i dont see ur pics up. look at sassy, she's right up on display looking good showing her stuff off. what chu got?

and i'd like to say thanks to everyone else. i appreciate the advice and comments from everyone even if they r constructive critisizm. im here to learn and to share. i feel great knowing that i can come to a group of powerful women and get this kind of non-judgemental support. this is new for me even though ive educated myself alot about diet and proper training, i just havent seen much on peoples experiences with aas and i like learning about new products and helpful tips. and diet tricks.
 
amanda -

I'm sure someone will put up the link to Daisy's pix. I think you will be pleasantly suprised at Daisy's experience & qualifications to make comments. (Sorry I have to get to work & cant' look for it). I realize you feel you have some experience under your belt, but if it does anything for you, I started lifting when I was 16 and I did 2 natural tested BB shows in 2000 at age 35. I turn 40 in a couple months. And I STILL continue to find ways to break my plateaus via diet & exercise. The points we continue to try emphasizing here are that AAS isn't as easy a solution as it is for guys. There are serious consequences & considerations when women start throwing male hormones into our bodies and when we get introduced to AAS by men, the importance of really knowing what you are doing, understanding it, taking an extremely conservative approach to cycling and also realizing that these things are still ONLY supplements to an excellent, well-established & consistent diet & trainign regimen. That is why the discussion of "AAS as a short cut" generally always comes up.

I do think you have a great physique to start with - my attributes tend to be muted a little by the way I carry my bodyfat and you don't really have that problem. To that point, I would seriously contend that you can make great results w/o the AAS, and to get into competition, you need to take a very serious view of your commitment to your diet regardless of the cycles. Please continue to post up and ask questions & learn. You will seriously not find a better source of support & info than EF.
 
my husband uses them and his diet is shit.

It is so annoying when he would make so much more progress if he would just get his body in check before he started wasting our hard earned money, when he is too lazy to take the time to learn how to do it right stick w/ that for a while, THEN use them instead of using them to beef up when he's been slacking off as a "short cut".

- it is so annoying.

but i'm just saying that for my husband not for u - amanda. Just venting bout my hubby being lazy and wasting our money. lol/
 
I don't have to justify my knowledge to you.

If you truely did your research, you would have found my posts and the "proof" of my knowledge. The fact that you are not aware of my experience (evidenced by photos and posts) shows me that you did NO research.

And I didn't become a MODERATOR of this board by blowing the owner.

Get the bug out of your ass sweetheart.
 
I think the valid point is that everyone starts from somewhere, not necessarily at EF or on another board. The important point is that the learning continues.
 
amandaa727 said:
listen up daisy-girl, you have had nothing to say. you're just agreeing and disagreeing. really, whats ur problem? are u just a negative person? .
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Your attitude in simply not acceptable you have 24 hours to re-adjust yourself.
 
daisy, im not reasearching you. thats not my goal. my point is u werent sayin anything of substance except for saying im silly or my ideas are stupid and saying other peoples views are ignorant. All i said is your being negative and now I NEED TO RE-ADJUST? Well this must b a "click" thing cuz im confused if im considered out of line.
 
amandaa727 said:
daisy, im not reasearching you. thats not my goal. my point is u werent sayin anything of substance except for saying im silly or my ideas are stupid and saying other peoples views are ignorant. All i said is your being negative and now I NEED TO RE-ADJUST? Well this must b a "click" thing cuz im confused if im considered out of line.
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So, what is your goal? If you want advice re: AAS then take your questions to the forum dedicated to that or find another site. With regard to the comment "well thats what this site is mostly about." You are mistaken. There are plenty of members of this site, male and female, that have learned a lot from the moderators and older members and have seen great results by doing this naturally.

I've never seen anyone disrespect another member (especially in the women's forum) like you did in that post. This site is not about disrespecting each other, it is about supporting each other (whether the post is about weightlifting, relationships, new jobs, babies, etc.). The women's forum is not a click and about tearing each other down.

While the members (including myself) of this site can be brutally honest at times, it because we care about each other and want the best for each member.
 
amandaa727 said:
daisy, im not reasearching you. thats not my goal. my point is u werent sayin anything of substance except for saying im silly or my ideas are stupid and saying other peoples views are ignorant. All i said is your being negative and now I NEED TO RE-ADJUST? Well this must b a "click" thing cuz im confused if im considered out of line.
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no...its a biatch thing.....




thats how you are acting....if you dont like it:

1 - Stop being a biatch

2 - Stop posting on this thread



:)
 
it must be me. sorry, if im offending. i'll stop posting. i thought i was being nice and everyone thinks im the opposite. so i must be missing something or i just dont see how i am.
my last post,
amanda
 
If the women's board is going to truly be supportive then one of the things we need to do is call bullshit when we think we hear it. No one is served by thinking women are supposed to be nice & agree with one another at all costs.

There's nothing wrong with a fight. Let's fight. Provided we avoid nasty personal insults this is a good thing.
 
cindylou said:
my husband uses them and his diet is shit.

It is so annoying when he would make so much more progress if he would just get his body in check before he started wasting our hard earned money, when he is too lazy to take the time to learn how to do it right stick w/ that for a while, THEN use them instead of using them to beef up when he's been slacking off as a "short cut".

- it is so annoying.

but i'm just saying that for my husband not for u - amanda. Just venting bout my hubby being lazy and wasting our money. lol/
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LOL!!!!! I know!!!!

I learned to life weights with Jill Mills at the same time she was training for the World's Strongest Woman Competition. Her diet was complete crap. She literally trained me sometimes eating Sonic or some other fast food while partying on weekends.

She won too.
 
wow no longer a virgin!! does oral count



^^^LMAO



this sounds like it belongs on the BTS board
 
The Shadow said:
wow no longer a virgin!! does oral count



^^^LMAO



this sounds like it belongs on the BTS board
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Or in politics :chomp:
 
amandaa727 said:
it must be me. sorry, if im offending. i'll stop posting. i thought i was being nice and everyone thinks im the opposite. so i must be missing something or i just dont see how i am.
my last post,
amanda
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I for one would like to see you come back :) some people just have snarly days amanada, that's all. :heart:
 
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