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Would you support a constitutional amendment banning HAND GUNS?

Would you support a constitutional amendment banning HAND GUNS?

  • YES

    Votes: 7 13.0%

  • NO

    Votes: 39 72.2%
  • Total voters
    54
  • Poll closed .
I'm personally hate guns (like, in a hate technogy sort of way, I'm more into medieval weapons), but they exist, and that won't change. So I don't see why they should be banned.

Now, banning from carrying in public or something, perhaps. Then again, I've never lived somewhere where I would need to carry a gun... nor will I ever... so there are multiple sides that can argue.

I'd probably just go back to the constitutional right to bare arms if I had to make a choice.



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I would. I have lived in countries with no guns and feel safer. I would not advocate no guns for the USA simply because our constitution was built with that right in order to provide a balance of power.

However, there are lots of guns I would like to have off the streets including semi-autos and hand guns.

Shot guns and rifles are cool though.
 
Powerbuilder333 said:
Samoth, have you ever fired a gun? It's just plain fun! http://www.thegunstorelasvegas.com/ here you can rent a full auto, or if you have the creditials (state resident, no felony or domestic violence convictions) you can buy one of your very own.
God Bless America!
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Actually it is:

You have to live in a state where Class III weapons are legal.
You have to be a US citizen.
At least 21 yoa.
Never been convicted of a Felony or Domestic Violence.
Never been dishonorably discharged from the military.
Never been adjudicated mentally defective.

And pay a $200 dollar tax.
 
Powerbuilder333 said:
Samoth, have you ever fired a gun? It's just plain fun! http://www.thegunstorelasvegas.com/ here you can rent a full auto, or if you have the creditials (state resident, no felony or domestic violence convictions) you can buy one of your very own.
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I've fired a shotgun twice at a friend of the family's house in Missouri when I was 15 years old or so. That's it.

I just never had an interest in guns. Maybe I watched too much MacGyver when I was young? :D

I'm really into knives, and often carry a 4" Buck Crosslock on me, and have for over a decade. It's just a personal preference that *I* don't like guns, and I think people should duel with swords instead, you know? I've been interested in medieval weapons and armor since I was, like, six years old, and the fascination has just held. I'd own a full suit of plate armour before I ever bought a gun just out of pure historical and personal interest. I don't have any strong gun opinions in terms of public gun laws or use. If it comes down to knowing and using projectile weapons, my area of interest is traditional (non-compound) bows, and to a lesser extent, compound and cross bows (the latter of which was still used in the late middle ages, and the former just as a technical extention of traditional bows. The equations and variables governing arrow flight and kinetics of the bow and accessories are intensely interesting to me for some reason.)

I don't know why I'm like this. I just don't like the idea of something being so easy that the smallest child can kill the strongest man in the world with 0.1 kg of strength. I tend to romanticize the medieval times, I suppose.



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samoth said:
I've fired a shotgun twice at a friend of the family's house in Missouri when I was 15 years old or so. That's it.

I just never had an interest in guns. Maybe I watched too much MacGyver when I was young? :D

I'm really into knives, and often carry a 4" Buck Crosslock on me, and have for over a decade. It's just a personal preference that *I* don't like guns, and I think people should duel with swords instead, you know? I've been interested in medieval weapons and armor since I was, like, six years old, and the fascination has just held. I'd own a full suit of plate armour before I ever bought a gun just out of pure historical and personal interest. I don't have any strong gun opinions in terms of public gun laws or use. If it comes down to knowing and using projectile weapons, my area of interest is traditional (non-compound) bows, and to a lesser extent, compound and cross bows (the latter of which was still used in the late middle ages, and the former just as a technical extention of traditional bows. The equations and variables governing arrow flight and kinetics of the bow and accessories are intensely interesting to me for some reason.)

I don't know why I'm like this. I just don't like the idea of something being so easy that the smallest child can kill the strongest man in the world with 0.1 kg of strength. I tend to romanticize the medieval times, I suppose.



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Do you own a broadsword or pollaxe?
 
javaguru said:
Do you own a broadsword or pollaxe?
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No, I haven't had much recreational spending money since starting university.

I'm more interested in swords, but have always wanted two 6' pole arms to cross on my wall. Axes are more rare, and aren't produced for either looks or recreation like swords are. Marto out of Spain is a big producer of modern-day swords, and I'm a big fan of their stuff. Their templer recreation sword has been next on my list for years.



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samoth said:
No, I haven't had much recreational spending money since starting university.

I'm more interested in swords, but have always wanted two 6' pole arms to cross on my wall. Axes are more rare, and aren't produced for either looks or recreation like swords are. Marto out of Spain is a big producer of modern-day swords, and I'm a big fan of their stuff. Their templer recreation sword has been next on my list for years.



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Isn't it ironic....axes were the easiest to produce weapons. Any competent blacksmith could make a functional axe.
 
javaguru said:
Isn't it ironic....axes were the easiest to produce weapons. Any competent blacksmith could make a functional axe.
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There's too many fantasy-looking ones out there. I'd love to own a few nice recreation-style ones, though.



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Not just no, but FU** no!
 
Powerbuilder333 said:
Samoth, have you ever fired a gun? It's just plain fun! http://www.thegunstorelasvegas.com/ here you can rent a full auto, or if you have the creditials (state resident, no felony or domestic violence convictions) you can buy one of your very own.
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A) I support the right to bear arms..........but not because "it's fun". That statement does gun rights people no favors. Makes them seem like cowboys who just want to get drunk and shoot.

B) You shouldn't be able to buy assault rifles unless you can prove you were in the military or can prove "military like" training. It's retarded that some asshole the army wouldn't allow near their weapons can go buy military type weapons just because he has a clean record. That's just fucking stupid. IMO even buying a handgun you should have to prove some type of proffessional training to prove you're not a dumbfucking asshole. Look at the training cops get.........you should have to go through a similiar course. Given all that, yeah, guns should be available to purchase.
 
There's nothing wrong with you.........you just yearn for the time when men were real grown ass men. Not like now, like you said, any ole little faggot can get the jump on you and blow your ass away. The moral fiber of the world collapsed with the invention of the firearm, sadly enough. The firearm allowed the truly weak, immoral and incompetent to compete with the strong.




samoth said:
I've fired a shotgun twice at a friend of the family's house in Missouri when I was 15 years old or so. That's it.

I just never had an interest in guns. Maybe I watched too much MacGyver when I was young? :D

I'm really into knives, and often carry a 4" Buck Crosslock on me, and have for over a decade. It's just a personal preference that *I* don't like guns, and I think people should duel with swords instead, you know? I've been interested in medieval weapons and armor since I was, like, six years old, and the fascination has just held. I'd own a full suit of plate armour before I ever bought a gun just out of pure historical and personal interest. I don't have any strong gun opinions in terms of public gun laws or use. If it comes down to knowing and using projectile weapons, my area of interest is traditional (non-compound) bows, and to a lesser extent, compound and cross bows (the latter of which was still used in the late middle ages, and the former just as a technical extention of traditional bows. The equations and variables governing arrow flight and kinetics of the bow and accessories are intensely interesting to me for some reason.)

I don't know why I'm like this. I just don't like the idea of something being so easy that the smallest child can kill the strongest man in the world with 0.1 kg of strength. I tend to romanticize the medieval times, I suppose.



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redsamurai said:
A) I support the right to bear arms..........but not because "it's fun". That statement does gun rights people no favors. Makes them seem like cowboys who just want to get drunk and shoot.

B) You shouldn't be able to buy assault rifles unless you can prove you were in the military or can prove "military like" training. It's retarded that some asshole the army wouldn't allow near their weapons can go buy military type weapons just because he has a clean record. That's just fucking stupid. IMO even buying a handgun you should have to prove some type of proffessional training to prove you're not a dumbfucking asshole. Look at the training cops get.........you should have to go through a similiar course. Given all that, yeah, guns should be available to purchase.
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So your suggesting the 2nd Amendment should only apply to those who are willing and able to satisfy your standards? Who made you King?
Enjoying the recreation of shooting has nothing to do with the right to bear arms. Unfortunately those who don't enjoy the shooting sports are less likely to support the 2nd Amendment. It's fortunate that our Supreme Court is still mostly run by those who interprete the intent of the Constitution's authors. How long is that going to last?
 
It's not about being king, it's about 'rational" thought. Otherwise, why even put military personnell or police officers through any kind of fire training? Firearms are a bigger responsibility than gun advocates are willing to admit. This isn't a sword or something that's only going to injure you or someone you "purposefully" swing it at. These things can drop people at distance..........it's an entirely different kind of responsibility. That's one thing which absolutely befuddled me about San Francisco..........it's a misd. to get caught with a firearm in the city, but a felony to be caught with an ASP..........a fucking baton....???? :confused:



Powerbuilder333 said:
So your suggesting the 2nd Amendment should only apply to those who are willing and able to satisfy your standards? Who made you King?
Enjoying the recreation of shooting has nothing to do with the right to bear arms. Unfortunately those who don't enjoy the shooting sports are less likely to support the 2nd Amendment. It's fortunate that our Supreme Court is still mostly run by those who interprete the intent of the Constitution's authors. How long is that going to last?
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redsamurai said:
It's not about being king, it's about 'rational" thought. Otherwise, why even put military personnell or police officers through any kind of fire training? Firearms are a bigger responsibility than gun advocates are willing to admit. This isn't a sword or something that's only going to injure you or someone you "purposefully" swing it at. These things can drop people at distance..........it's an entirely different kind of responsibility. That's one thing which absolutely befuddled me about San Francisco..........it's a misd. to get caught with a firearm in the city, but a felony to be caught with an ASP..........a fucking baton....???? :confused:
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Why allow the sale of sports cars and motorcycles that can easily go twice the speed limit without requiring those that buy them to take the same training as professional drivers/racers?

Vehicles kill far more people every year than guns, but no one is in an uproar about them.
 
mountain muscle said:
Why allow the sale of sports cars and motorcycles that can easily go twice the speed limit without requiring those that buy them to take the same training as professional drivers/racers?

Vehicles kill far more people every year than guns, but no one is in an uproar about them.
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did you somehow circumvent the drivers liscense test before you got your ride? I mean, I see your point to an extent...........but cars are pretty much a necessity of life. And you do have to get a special liscense for a motorcycle.............and it's a physical test............you actually have to show up and prove that you're not an asshole on two wheels.
 
redsamurai said:
did you somehow circumvent the drivers liscense test before you got your ride? I mean, I see your point to an extent...........but cars are pretty much a necessity of life. And you do have to get a special liscense for a motorcycle.............and it's a physical test............you actually have to show up and prove that you're not an asshole on two wheels.
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Not to take away from the skills of anyone on a motorcycle (myself included), but to get an endorsement in this state it doesn't take much to pass the test. You can still be an asshole on two wheels, but it costs extra. :) Vehicles are not a necessity of life... we just choose to think they are.
 
redsamurai said:
did you somehow circumvent the drivers liscense test before you got your ride? I mean, I see your point to an extent...........but cars are pretty much a necessity of life. And you do have to get a special liscense for a motorcycle.............and it's a physical test............you actually have to show up and prove that you're not an asshole on two wheels.
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You have to do the same to get a class 3.

I don't remember any special training that qualifies me to operate a race car on the streets.

You don't actually think that joke of a driving test, that you never have to repeat, tells them anything?

Do drivers get BATF background checks and fbi checks?
 
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mountain muscle said:
You have to do the same to get a class 3.

I don't remember any special training that qualifies me to operate a race car on the streets.

You don't actually think that joke of a driving test, that you never have to repeat, tells them anything?

Do drivers get BATF background checks and fbi checks?
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it's true that people should probably have to prove driving skills more than once in a lifetime..........but of course the state would just charge extra for that... :rolleyes: But it's "something". When you buy a gun.........do you have to prove you can shoot it? No, all you have to do is not have a criminal record. Now with handguns i'm not so adamant.........but "for sure" with wapons that fire high power ammunition you should have to prove competancy...........without question.
 
redsamurai said:
it's true that people should probably have to prove driving skills more than once in a lifetime..........but of course the state would just charge extra for that... :rolleyes: But it's "something". When you buy a gun.........do you have to prove you can shoot it? No, all you have to do is not have a criminal record. Now with handguns i'm not so adamant.........but "for sure" with wapons that fire high power ammunition you should have to prove competancy...........without question.
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So you are more concerned with people's inability to handle a firearm properly and the increase in the possibility for accidents?

I'd be willing to bet that more deaths occur because people actually know how to handle the weapon than from accidents.

Would you like to see a law saying that everyone has to qualify at least marksman for ownership?

I really don't see the point. Most crimes don't occur from weapons that fire high power ammo. And you don't even have to prove you don't have a criminal background to buy a hunting rifle.

I dislike your statement that it's "something". You're asking for a bandaid to address what you see as a problem.
 
mountain muscle said:
So you are more concerned with people's inability to handle a firearm properly and the increase in the possibility for accidents?
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no, my point is that at the very least you should have toprove the ability to properly fire a firearm AND in some way be able to prove you understand the responsability behind owning a firearm. You don't have to be a deadnuts marksman...........but would you be comfortable around a guy who's putting a 9 into the ceiling? No..............you would take the gun away from him and go tell him to do some forearm curls.



I really don't see the point. Most crimes don't occur from weapons that fire high power ammo. And you don't even have to prove you don't have a criminal background to buy a hunting rifle.
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it's not entirely a safety issue, but one of understanding what you're holding in your hand. Alot of people think these are toys
 
No.

Actually, I'm pretty opposed to anyone who wants to amend the constitution willy nilly. Constitutional amendments should only be passed for extremely important issues such as abolishing slavery.
 
It's true that there should be higher standards for gun licenses/ownership, but at the same time we'd just be losing another major right of this country in banning them. And it's not like banning them would solve the problem; it would only put the guns into more of the wrong people's hands, while keeping them out of the good ones'.
 
samoth said:
I've fired a shotgun twice at a friend of the family's house in Missouri when I was 15 years old or so. That's it.

I just never had an interest in guns. Maybe I watched too much MacGyver when I was young? :D

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Totally agree with you re: blades vs. guns. I own both but in a fight of honor, I want to be upclose and personal so I'd take a blade. Have done it and paid the price 29 years ago. I have a few guns - sawed off 12g, Glock 29 (45 cal), older S&W 686 (357 cal), and an old 30-06 Remington. I'm not a gun nut in that I don't study/ read about them much but I do shoot every couple months. I'd use any and all of them in a heartbet to deffend my family or my country. I am in complete support of the second amendment.
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Nope. The bad guys will still have guns. I wanna go down swinging if possible.
 
nope. . .like da man says. . .not till you pry it from my cold dead hands. . .

i would however support a constitutional amendment for forced sterilization for career criminals so the motherfuckers can't produce more human garbage. . .
 
Negative, the criminals will always be able to get `em, so why should I be able to protect my famiy from these hoods.
 
Longhorn85 said:
I would like for it too be easier for law-abiding citizens to carry unconcealed handguns.
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Only if I can walk around the mall downtown with a sword attached to my belt.

I ain't gonna walk around a mall when I see people carrying unconcealed handguns. First thing that would cross my mind would be "low class ghetto", and I'd move out of the area. Where the hell do you people live that everyone and their mothers need to carry guns with them when they go grocery shopping? And why the hell would you live in a place like that?



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samoth said:
Only if I can walk around the mall downtown with a sword attached to my belt.

I ain't gonna walk around a mall when I see people carrying unconcealed handguns. First thing that would cross my mind would be "low class ghetto", and I'd move out of the area. Where the hell do you people live that everyone and their mothers need to carry guns with them when they go grocery shopping? And why the hell would you live in a place like that?



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i live in a quaint, medium-sized, sorta red-neckish town in the heart of the alleghenies. . .the last time i "carried a gun with me" was last weekend, when i was walking my 7 y/o daughters across the road from my parent's house to shoot their .22 rifle that i bought them for their 4th birthday. . .we do that quite often. . .guns, hunting, sporting are part of our society up here and part of the fiber of my being. . .
 
digimon7068 said:
i live in a quaint, medium-sized, sorta red-neckish town in the heart of the alleghenies. . .the last time i "carried a gun with me" was last weekend, when i was walking my 7 y/o daughters across the road from my parent's house to shoot their .22 rifle that i bought them for their 4th birthday. . .we do that quite often. . .guns, hunting, sporting are part of our society up here and part of the fiber of my being. . .
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And me carrying my bow to the range =/= to carrying it in a crowded mall, which is what I was getting from Longhorn's post about easier laws for carrying unconcealed weapons in public.



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samoth said:
Only if I can walk around the mall downtown with a sword attached to my belt.

I ain't gonna walk around a mall when I see people carrying unconcealed handguns. First thing that would cross my mind would be "low class ghetto", and I'd move out of the area. Where the hell do you people live that everyone and their mothers need to carry guns with them when they go grocery shopping? And why the hell would you live in a place like that?



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In Nevada you only need a permit to carry concealed firearms. No permits needed for unconcealed carry. The city of Las Vegas requires a blue card (proof of registration with Metro police) for all handguns, so if your packing in Vegas you'd better keep it with you.
I admit my first week in town I was a little shocked at seeing people straped up (mostly guards) every where I went, but you get quickly used to it. I've carried unconcealed 40 hours per week for 10 years now, and almost no one even notices, and the ones that do I figure are the ones that are casing my gig for a heist attempt.
How many felons keep there firearms exposed before they start their crime spree? Close to none.
 
Powerbuilder333 said:
In Nevada you only need a permit to carry concealed firearms. No permits needed for unconcealed carry. The city of Las Vegas requires a blue card (proof of registration with Metro police) for all handguns, so if your packing in Vegas you'd better keep it with you.
I admit my first week in town I was a little shocked at seeing people straped up (mostly guards) every where I went, but you get quickly used to it. I've carried unconcealed 40 hours per week for 10 years now, and almost no one even notices, and the ones that do I figure are the ones that are casing my gig for a heist attempt.
How many felons keep there firearms exposed before they start their crime spree? Close to none.
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Do you run a retail business?
 
Powerbuilder333 said:
I've carried unconcealed 40 hours per week for 10 years now, and almost no one even notices, and the ones that do I figure are the ones that are casing my gig for a heist attempt.
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You sound like you're carrying for an occupation. I don't think twice if I see security anywhere -- bank, mall, sidewalk -- armed to the teeth. It's the 21 year old kid hanging around the mall that carries because it's "cool" that worries me.



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samoth said:
And me carrying my bow to the range =/= to carrying it in a crowded mall, which is what I was getting from Longhorn's post about easier laws for carrying unconcealed weapons in public.



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i know. . .just wanted to throw my 2 cents in. . .
 
Longhorn85 said:
I would like for it too be easier for law-abiding citizens to carry unconcealed handguns.
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we should also allow beefs to be settled at high noon............jesus christ dude, where are you living?
 
They can have my gun when they pry it out of my cold dead hands. :artist:
 
samoth said:
You sound like you're carrying for an occupation. I don't think twice if I see security anywhere -- bank, mall, sidewalk -- armed to the teeth. It's the 21 year old kid hanging around the mall that carries because it's "cool" that worries me.



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bingo!!!! I can see situations where those little pukes sit somewhere and make outloud comments about everyone's wife or gf's.........and what are you gonna do about it? nothin!! Cause if you step up you're giving them reason to pull them pistols...........than if they shoot you, they can reasonably say that they feared for their safety. And there's no laws against calling some guys' gf or wife a hot little skank as they're walking by................and then to PROVE that they would have done that in the first place? Next to impossible..............."and 1" for all the little punk shits that now can get away with their bullshit.
 
redsamurai said:
bingo!!!! I can see situations where those little pukes sit somewhere and make outloud comments about everyone's wife or gf's.........and what are you gonna do about it? nothin!! Cause if you step up you're giving them reason to pull them pistols...........than if they shoot you, they can reasonably say that they feared for their safety. And there's no laws against calling some guys' gf or wife a hot little skank as they're walking by................and then to PROVE that they would have done that in the first place? Next to impossible..............."and 1" for all the little punk shits that now can get away with their bullshit.
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LOL.. .ridiculous.

The fucking outlaws that 'POP CAPS' in ur ass at random for shit like that -

They gonna stash their pieces and do it anyways! THEY ARE OUTLAWS! THEY DON'T FOLLOW THE LAW!

Give law abiding citizens a chance to defend themselves without forcing them to be outlaws. This fear-mongering nonsense is unfounded. All the statistics from states that have allowed concealed carry laws show just the opposite is reality.
 
jh1 said:
LOL.. .ridiculous.

The fucking outlaws that 'POP CAPS' in ur ass at random for shit like that -

They gonna stash their pieces and do it anyways! THEY ARE OUTLAWS! THEY DON'T FOLLOW THE LAW!

Give law abiding citizens a chance to defend themselves without forcing them to be outlaws. This fear-mongering nonsense is unfounded. All the statistics from states that have allowed concealed carry laws show just the opposite is reality.
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I don't know bro, I've got plenty of stories from the SF nightclub scene when I was working there.............dude's say some ridiculous shit if they think they've got numbers. Now give em pieces...........?? I can count 5 instances off the top of my head that happened in cali where if there were guns involved??..............all bad, I mean all fucking bad.
 
redsamurai said:
I don't know bro, I've got plenty of stories from the SF nightclub scene when I was working there.............dude's say some ridiculous shit if they think they've got numbers. Now give em pieces...........?? I can count 5 instances off the top of my head that happened in cali where if there were guns involved??..............all bad, I mean all fucking bad.
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WTF? did you read what I said?

No doubt there are gun play gang fights and violence.

Name ONE FUCKING INSTANCE EVER where gun play involving clubbing thugs where the THUGs had a concealed carry permit?

Seriously, can you read?
 
jh1 said:
WTF? did you read what I said?

No doubt there are gun play gang fights and violence.

Name ONE FUCKING INSTANCE EVER where gun play involving clubbing thugs where the THUGs had a concealed carry permit?

Seriously, can you read?
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maybe I should have clarified that these instances did not involve your typical gangbangers. You are absolutely right that the typical criminal will get his guns whether there's a ban or not..............I'm just saying that in the presence of women and alcohol, seemingly normal guys lose their cool and with pieces handy.......well........better draw down before the other guy does.
 
jh1 said:
LOL.. .ridiculous.

The fucking outlaws that 'POP CAPS' in ur ass at random for shit like that -

They gonna stash their pieces and do it anyways! THEY ARE OUTLAWS! THEY DON'T FOLLOW THE LAW!

Give law abiding citizens a chance to defend themselves without forcing them to be outlaws. This fear-mongering nonsense is unfounded. All the statistics from states that have allowed concealed carry laws show just the opposite is reality.
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Dude, I know a number of kids around the Milwaukee area that carry guns legally 'cause it's "cool". They don't have any major felonies, so they can do it legally. But they're still kids that brag at bars about their glock-whatever and capping people that look at them funny. And they're not, in general, law-abiding citizens. They just haven't been caught for anything big yet.



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No where in America can you legally own a firearm with a felony conviction, or a domestic violence misdemeaner conviction.
In theory it's possible for a young thug to have accumalated several minor convictions and is still allowed to pack a piece with his homie's. Being up against several thugs (legally armed or not) is a great reason to be legally packing yourself.
Let's face it - the only chance for the average honest citizen has to walk away from a confrontation with several thugs is to be capable with a firearm. Otherwise your just another crime victim statistic.

No I'm not a retailer.
Yes my main job is as a armed guard for a gaming company. Not everyone in the company has the benifit of a armed guard. You should see what some of this scumbags will do to 70 year old grandmas trying to supplement their social security by working alone as a change attendents. Fucking rabid animals. We had a crew from Cali last year with nothing but crowbars terrorizing our locations. I'd love to see some Granny whip out a .357 and blow those fuckers away. Yea, they'd be fired, but freedom ain't free.
 
Powerbuilder333 said:
No where in America can you legally own a firearm with a felony conviction, or a domestic violence misdemeaner conviction.
In theory it's possible for a young thug to have accumalated several
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The guys I know just have misdemeanors for drugs and stuff. I've noticed that a felony chage for minor stuff can get dropped to misdemeanors pretty easy.



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samoth said:
Dude, I know a number of kids around the Milwaukee area that carry guns legally 'cause it's "cool". They don't have any major felonies, so they can do it legally. But they're still kids that brag at bars about their glock-whatever and capping people that look at them funny. And they're not, in general, law-abiding citizens. They just haven't been caught for anything big yet.



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God, I love Canada
 
Imagine for a minute that every person in the world had a gun. Every single person. What would happen?

Personally, I've never shot a gun. If people can be responsible with it, why not? It's not my preference though. Maybe if i lived in an area it was supported, I would, but I can't see people carrying guns around here in NJ.


Fight breaks out... guns involved, a big mess. We've all seen some level headed dudes go nuts during a fight. I can see it being worse if everyone had a gun. It's just a numbers game.
 
I can think of so many brawls at my old club that got cooled down because me and my boys interjected and we were all MONSTERS! You can never convince me that if all those people were packing that they wouldn't, in the heat of the moment, draw em out. The temptation is just too great and I have to freely admit that if I were packing I would be just as tempted to draw it out for situations that could do without it. It's an escalating maneuver..............and other cops or LE people here can attest to the importance of de-escalating situations. In the clubs case, the size of the bouncers and our reputation made alot of situations fizzle out with just a few harmless punches thrown. But even our guys sometimes escalated the situation by provoking a response from one of the guys just as we about had em out the door. So I know what I'm talking about............put guns in that mix and you can forget cooling things.
 
redsamurai said:
I can think of so many brawls at my old club that got cooled down because me and my boys interjected and we were all MONSTERS! You can never convince me that if all those people were packing that they wouldn't, in the heat of the moment, draw em out. The temptation is just too great and I have to freely admit that if I were packing I would be just as tempted to draw it out for situations that could do without it. It's an escalating maneuver..............and other cops or LE people here can attest to the importance of de-escalating situations. In the clubs case, the size of the bouncers and our reputation made alot of situations fizzle out with just a few harmless punches thrown. But even our guys sometimes escalated the situation by provoking a response from one of the guys just as we about had em out the door. So I know what I'm talking about............put guns in that mix and you can forget cooling things.
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Again you are talking about something that is illegal and no amount of laws or pre-ownership training would stop it from occuring.

It is illegal to carry a gun while you drink.

A guy I used to bounce with got shot at working the door at a different club after he kicked out some little ghetto assholes for fighting.

Guns are not the problem, people are the problem.
 
gjohnson5 said:
it makes no sense to me that handguns , alcohol and cigarette are legal and steroids are not.

Ban the guns but let us juice freely
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King George would have agreed with your assessment, as did Stalin and Hitler
 
gonelifting said:
Imagine for a minute that every person in the world had a gun. Every single person. What would happen?

Personally, I've never shot a gun. If people can be responsible with it, why not? It's not my preference though. Maybe if i lived in an area it was supported, I would, but I can't see people carrying guns around here in NJ.


Fight breaks out... guns involved, a big mess. We've all seen some level headed dudes go nuts during a fight. I can see it being worse if everyone had a gun. It's just a numbers game.
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How do you make the leap from allowing people that get a license to carry a concealed weapon......


TO EVERYONE carrying a weapon everywhere....


Clearly there is a disconnect.


In those states that do license concealed carry - very few people actually get the licenese, and those that do know better than to take their gun out drinking, to the ball game, etc, etc, etc...

You're making extrapolations that aren't realistic.
 
redsamurai said:
I can think of so many brawls at my old club that got cooled down because me and my boys interjected and we were all MONSTERS! You can never convince me that if all those people were packing that they wouldn't, in the heat of the moment, draw em out. The temptation is just too great and I have to freely admit that if I were packing I would be just as tempted to draw it out for situations that could do without it. It's an escalating maneuver..............and other cops or LE people here can attest to the importance of de-escalating situations. In the clubs case, the size of the bouncers and our reputation made alot of situations fizzle out with just a few harmless punches thrown. But even our guys sometimes escalated the situation by provoking a response from one of the guys just as we about had em out the door. So I know what I'm talking about............put guns in that mix and you can forget cooling things.
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As a part time bouncer who actually got shot on the job, I think my experiences trump yours - lol.
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I wasn't armed and the BMA got away. Note to self: If you bounce someone and they come back 20 minutes later, It's NOT to apologize - lol.
Additional note to self: A gun in the car is useless if your not in the car. Always go heated - no exceptions! Better to be judged by 12, then carried by 6.
 
mountain muscle said:
Again you are talking about something that is illegal and no amount of laws or pre-ownership training would stop it from occuring.

It is illegal to carry a gun while you drink.

A guy I used to bounce with got shot at working the door at a different club after he kicked out some little ghetto assholes for fighting.

Guns are not the problem, people are the problem.
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I concur, the #1 bouncer at a local hot spot a few years back got stabbed to death after he bounced a dude. I sort of predicted it because he was an escalator...I saw him treat some people really shitty for just being too drunk. You don't need a gun to be an asshole......
 
damn, what caliber?





Powerbuilder333 said:
As a part time bouncer who actually got shot on the job, I think my experiences trump yours - lol.
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I wasn't armed and the BMA got away. Note to self: If you bounce someone and they come back 20 minutes later, It's NOT to apologize - lol.
Additional note to self: A gun in the car is useless if your not in the car. Always go heated - no exceptions! Better to be judged by 12, then carried by 6.
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what I'm saying is that if the whole club is packin "legally"...........bullshit is going to fly at an exponentially increased rate. Guns will always escalate the situation. As a bouncer, I would quit my job on the spot if people were allowed to come into the club packin..........no way. You already have to have eyes behind your back..........now those eyes have to look behind at distance. It would be a cluster fuck.


mountain muscle said:
Again you are talking about something that is illegal and no amount of laws or pre-ownership training would stop it from occuring.

It is illegal to carry a gun while you drink.

A guy I used to bounce with got shot at working the door at a different club after he kicked out some little ghetto assholes for fighting.

Guns are not the problem, people are the problem.
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redsamurai said:
what I'm saying is that if the whole club is packin "legally"...........bullshit is going to fly at an exponentially increased rate. Guns will always escalate the situation. As a bouncer, I would quit my job on the spot if people were allowed to come into the club packin..........no way. You already have to have eyes behind your back..........now those eyes have to look behind at distance. It would be a cluster fuck.
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In Ohio you can't legally carry into a bar......that's old school wild west shit... :worried:
 
redsamurai said:
damn, what caliber?
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As it was a revolver, and the BMA got away, there's no way to tell for sure. The gun looked like a chrome snubbie Charter Arms Bulldog, and the size of the hole would indicate a .44 special. I was lucky, he tried to shoot my face at 6 to 8 feet gangsta style and winged me instead.
 
Powerbuilder333 said:
As it was a revolver, and the BMA got away, there's no way to tell for sure. The gun looked like a chrome snubbie Charter Arms Bulldog, and the size of the hole would indicate a .44 special. I was lucky, he tried to shoot my face at 6 to 8 feet gangsta style and winged me instead.
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Thank luck he was a dumbass that learned to shoot from movies as opposed to practicing on a range...I'm happy to hear you received a minor wound. :worried:

You're a good poster... :)
 
javaguru said:
In Ohio you can't legally carry into a bar......that's old school wild west shit... :worried:
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well yeah, but if some of the 'extreme' gun fanboys had their way, everyone would be walking around high noon stylie........ :worried:
 
Well , I hate to say it , but in IT we design networks with the intent of saving users from themselves. It is done because "something is wrong" if the system doesn't somehow auto correct for user's mistakes. We do alot but more if requested by the users and managers

Unfortunately I take guns in the same manner. It's clear that our political structure has no safe guards for mental issues , temporary mental issues, anger , stress , jealousy and down right stupidity. Dick Cheney is a perfect example of someone mistaking a deer *LOL* with a human

It has nothing to do with dictatorship. It has everything to do with protecting you from yourself.

redguru said:
King George would have agreed with your assessment, as did Stalin and Hitler
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gjohnson5 said:
It has nothing to do with dictatorship. It has everything to do with protecting life.
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Start with cars then. More deaths every year than the entire vietnam war.

Be practical, don't knee jerk. Get the stuff that *REALLY* kills.


Also, Cheney was bird hunting.
 
Let's get back to the original topic. It was for HANDGUNS not guns.

So all the arguments about how much of a sportsman you are, do not apply here.
 
billfred said:
Let's get back to the original topic. It was for HANDGUNS not guns.

So all the arguments about how much of a sportsman you are, do not apply here.
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Handguns can't be used for sport?

LOL.

And BTW the constitutional protections for guns had nothing to do with sport. As proof, I offer the fact that they have no protection for soccer balls, footballs, basketball hoops, baseball bats, etc.

The protections for guns were so that the citizens would always be armed against an government they didn't like. And so they could hunt to EAT, not sport.

Tryng to force gun owners and constitutional advocates into justifying their rights and position by forcing the use into a sport is ludicris.
 
jh1 said:
Handguns can't be used for sport?

LOL.

And BTW the constitutional protections for guns had nothing to do with sport. As proof, I offer the fact that they have no protection for soccer balls, footballs, basketball hoops, baseball bats, etc.

The protections for guns were so that the citizens would always be armed against an government they didn't like. And so they could hunt to EAT, not sport.

Tryng to force gun owners and constitutional advocates into justifying their rights and position by forcing the use into a sport is ludicris.
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I don't disagree with all that but don't you think you could accomplish all that and make the streets safer if you did not have hand guns?

You going to go up against an american militia with your glock - get real.
 
True story:

on 23 DEC of last year the Old Grump and I were last minute Christmas shopping in downtown Grapevine (Texas) when a rather large police woman (she was well over 6 foot) was sorta following us around a shop. Both of us were like, "Did you shoplift 'er sumthin? Any warrants that you forgot to tell me about?" :worried: Can't remember who said what to whom first but the police officer was only being "friendly". Back in NJ if a cop had followed us around like that, I'd be waiting to be thrown on the floor, hands behind my back. Next thing you know she is recommending that we both take up shooting together as a hobby. "Lotsa couples 'round here do it. They find it relaxing."

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Good Lord how I LOVE Texas.
 
BIKINIMOM said:
True story:

on 23 DEC of last year the Old Grump and I were last minute Christmas shopping in downtown Grapevine (Texas) when a rather large police woman (she was well over 6 foot) was sorta following us around a shop. Both of us were like, "Did you shoplift 'er sumthin? Any warrants that you forgot to tell me about?" :worried: Can't remember who said what to whom first but the police officer was only being "friendly". Back in NJ if a cop had followed us around like that, I'd be waiting to be thrown on the floor, hands behind my back. Next thing you know she is recommending that we both take up shooting together as a hobby. "Lotsa couples 'round here do it. They find it relaxing."

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Good Lord how I LOVE Texas.
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She was just trying to work in on a 3 some. Cop dyke bitch
 
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