Wootoom is my hero

[PWTurbofan]

Well, not really. But I owe that bro a thanks. My first post on EF was a few months back. I was just prescribed AndroGel for HRT, and I thought I was gonna get all jacked with this shit. Woot's response was something like "I use oralgel bro, it works better". And me, being naive to AAS, actually did a search on google for oralgel and steroids. Didn't take me long to realize I was being fucked with, and he actually meant that shit used for mouth sores. Mother fooker.

That's what sparked my research into Androgel and realized it really is a shit product. Got my doc to switch me to much higher-dosed injections, and things have been fucking great.

So Wootoom, thanks bro. Even though I read alot of shit about you and thought you were just an everyday assclown, you're okay in my book.

 

[wootoom]

thanks bro, ill give u a free plat, check it out.

 

[needtogetaas]

pussy

 

[PWTurbofan]

thanks bro, ill give u a free plat, check it out.

Thanks bro, good stuff...just don't rip on the depo-test for a few months, i don't think my doc is gonna buy the whole "this shit is crunk" spiel again

 

[mustang_00]

WTF i'll skillet his life for a plat!!!

 

[digimon7068]

wootom is a prick. . .but he's pretty funny. . .especially when he's on a rant about something. . .he's ok in my book. . .

 

[Gambino]

so were you on juicy juice before HRT
or is your build from HRT only?
do peeps get muscle mass from only HRT?

 

[PWTurbofan]

so were you on juicy juice before HRT
or is your build from HRT only?
do peeps get muscle mass from only HRT?

From HRT, a nailed-down diet and a shitload of work at the gym. Never touched gear before - like I said, I first thought Woots was clueing me into some new fangled AAS with Oralgel. I'm on a pretty high dose for legit HRT - 200mg cyp ew. I got two month progress pics in my profile.

I'd say that the ability to grow on HRT is partially determined by the scrip you get. Androgel didn't do much, although it did increase my energy. The pics from Aug - Sep were while I was gellin - not much change. The cyp injections now are nearly 3x as strong as the gel.

 

[digimon7068]

Never touched gear before

by most people's definition, seep is gear. . .how old are you? true "hrt" is usually reserved for geezers like me (40+). . .however, 200mg ew is obviously pretty mild. . .it wouldn't do much more than make you feel "right" and help you tap into your genetic potential. . .nice work, though

 

[Gambino]

From HRT, a nailed-down diet and a shitload of work at the gym. Never touched gear before - like I said, I first thought Woots was clueing me into some new fangled AAS with Oralgel. I'm on a pretty high dose for legit HRT - 200mg cyp ew. I got two month progress pics in my profile.

I'd say that the ability to grow on HRT is partially determined by the scrip you get. Androgel didn't do much, although it did increase my energy. The pics from Aug - Sep were while I was gellin - not much change. The cyp injections now are nearly 3x as strong as the gel.

if you don't mind me inquiring...
how old are you?
what is the reason for having low t levels and what made you go to the doc to get checked? no sex drive, energy, what?
is it something you will be on forever, even if you reached 70-80??

 

[digimon7068]

if you don't mind me inquiring...
how old are you?
what is the reason for having low t levels and what made you go to the doc to get checked? no sex drive, energy, what?
is it something you will be on forever, even if you reached 70-80??

bump. . .that's kind of what i was angling for as well

 

[HiDnGoD]

From HRT, a nailed-down diet and a shitload of work at the gym. Never touched gear before - like I said, I first thought Woots was clueing me into some new fangled AAS with Oralgel. I'm on a pretty high dose for legit HRT - 200mg cyp ew. I got two month progress pics in my profile.

I'd say that the ability to grow on HRT is partially determined by the scrip you get. Androgel didn't do much, although it did increase my energy. The pics from Aug - Sep were while I was gellin - not much change. The cyp injections now are nearly 3x as strong as the gel.

I went the same route too. My scrip is only for approx. 157 per week, but i top it to 200. It's making me feel like I should. Now I just need to work harder, like you. Good work, obviously.

 

[Lestat]

Wootoom is a good bro

 

[HiDnGoD]

Wootoom is a good bro

TITCR

 

[gotmilk]

oralgel will give you mouth sores. Ask Plifter.

 

[PWTurbofan]

if you don't mind me inquiring...
how old are you?
what is the reason for having low t levels and what made you go to the doc to get checked? no sex drive, energy, what?
is it something you will be on forever, even if you reached 70-80??

No it's cool - 30 here. I went to the doc because I was always tired and my energy was kaput. This had been going on for a couple years, but I thought it was just because I was getting older, didn't think much could be done about it. Workouts sucked and I didn't make much gain. Lab results came back, and my T (total) was 420ng/dL. The lab's range for "normal" was 400-1080, so I was low-low normal.

The doc doesn't want to keep me on this forever - he says 8-12 months. But right now, I am shutdown naturally. Actually, the Androgel shut me down; bloodwork prior to starting injections indicated my LH and FSH were zero, and those hormones were previously normal. After 8-12 months, I'll probably be put on HCG and see how my normal production recovers. From what I've read, HRT just puts your HPTA into a sort of dormancy...It doesn't forever kill your ability to produce T naturally - that's why they're looking into this as a sort of birth control in men.

But, after all is said and done, I wouldn't mind if I had to stay on this forever...I haven't felt this good in years, I don't mind the pokes (actually look forward to them), I like the results from the gym and the T makes me horny as fuck! It would also make any REAL AAS cycles that I might do in the future a breeze, since I basically would not have PCT....just start up the HRT pokes again.

 

[digimon7068]

No it's cool - 30 here. I went to the doc because I was always tired and my energy was kaput. This had been going on for a couple years, but I thought it was just because I was getting older, didn't think much could be done about it. Workouts sucked and I didn't make much gain. Lab results came back, and my T (total) was 420ng/dL. The lab's range for "normal" was 400-1080, so I was low-low normal.

The doc doesn't want to keep me on this forever - he says 8-12 months. But right now, I am shutdown naturally. Actually, the Androgel shut me down; bloodwork prior to starting injections indicated my LH and FSH were zero, and those hormones were previously normal. After 8-12 months, I'll probably be put on HCG and see how my normal production recovers. From what I've read, HRT just puts your HPTA into a sort of dormancy...It doesn't forever kill your ability to produce T naturally - that's why they're looking into this as a sort of birth control in men.

But, after all is said and done, I wouldn't mind if I had to stay on this forever...I haven't felt this good in years, I don't mind the pokes (actually look forward to them), I like the results from the gym and the T makes me horny as fuck! It would also make any REAL AAS cycles that I might do in the future a breeze, since I basically would not have PCT....just start up the HRT pokes again.

I'd be surprised if you didn't end up on it long-term. . .what's going to get your natural T back up and keep it there???

 

[PWTurbofan]

I'd be surprised if you didn't end up on it long-term. . .what's going to get your natural T back up and keep it there???

Honestly, I don't know....The doc I see is a urologist and does alot of research with HRT...For all I know, I could be a guinea pig But I'll (hopefully) be one jacked lab rat when all is said and done

 

[gotmilk]

You can sometimes talk docs into 10 week cycles but most docs want you to use HCG too, which is great if you like boobs.

I'm surprised Androgel shut you down.

 

[PWTurbofan]

I went the same route too. My scrip is only for approx. 157 per week, but i top it to 200. It's making me feel like I should. Now I just need to work harder, like you. Good work, obviously.

157 ew? That's sort of an odd number....What's your scrip for?

From what I know, there's injectables, buccal gum, gel, patches...and my personal favorite - ass pellets. Yup, I guess they can pop a T cap in yo ass.

If you're not on an injectable (in the US, we got depo-test (cyp) and delatestryl (enan)), I'd ask to be switched...can't go wrong.

 

[PWTurbofan]

You can sometimes talk docs into 10 week cycles but most docs want you to use HCG too, which is great if you like boobs.

I'm surprised Androgel shut you down.

My doc only mentioned HCG as the route to take when (and if) I ween off the injects.

My T levels on Androgel actually spiked near the upper normal range after 3 weeks, but I'm guessing this was because I was still producing natty T at the time. Prior to starting injects, my fucking T levels were actually LOWER than before I started the gel. I FUCKING HATE THAT CRUNKED UP ANDROGEL!!

 

[HiDnGoD]

157 ew? That's sort of an odd number....What's your scrip for?

From what I know, there's injectables, buccal gum, gel, patches...and my personal favorite - ass pellets. Yup, I guess they can pop a T cap in yo ass.

If you're not on an injectable (in the US, we got depo-test (cyp) and delatestryl (enan)), I'd ask to be switched...can't go wrong.

Well, the scrip is for 675 per month divided by 4.3 weeks per month(avg) = what I said. I'm on cyp now. I was on pills, then the gel. What I'm on now is perfect. BTW this is considered a lifetime condition. I'm also diabetic & have sleep apnea. All 3 go hand in hand.