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Personally, with a lot of supplementation I was able to gain around 21 lbs of lean muscle mass in 3 months. AND YOU CAN TOO with the NEW JustyXXXX MUSCLE POWER System. ok - just kidding. But, I wasn't joking about the 21 lbs of lean muscle part in three months . . . I kept a log of my success and that's how I know.
I used the program from Anthony Ellis at www.skinnyguy.net
I used the program from Anthony Ellis at www.skinnyguy.net
NapoleanComplex
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I definitley read somewhere that 8lbs of muscle was the average...(this does not count beginners)
Mr.Holland
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I once read in a dutch BB magazine that if you are just training hard, and really have your diet in check (so no juice and no supplements either) ... the average is 5 LBS of lean muscle mass.
Not much huh...
But i dont know if its right, they didnt back it up with evidence so..
Not much huh...
But i dont know if its right, they didnt back it up with evidence so..
powerforward
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beginners can make great gains their first 6-12 months of training, but i would think 15-20 lbs would be the max(unless you've got pretty good genetics) after that 5 lbs a year if everything is in line sounds about right. thats what makes aas so tempting for many people.
psychedout
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Rich_d said:
What makes you think you will loose 10-20 pounds??
Unless of course you are above your natural limit, which I doubt.
Just eat, eat, eat, train, and do the proper post-cycle theropy.
You should keep most of it.
JuiceMonster#1
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It depends on your genetics... Some people lift hard as fuck and only put on about 5 lbs, while others seem to just hang out in the wieght room and put on like 20 lbs a year.
Themachine01
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JuiceMonster#1 said:
Believe it or not, this is the truth. Its all about your Genetics.
Tricepratus
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I think like powerforward. First year, you obtain maximum gains been 15 lbs average. Your body have a very new estimulus and reaction to that growing. Following years when your body became "adaptaded" to same estimulus gains are slow, been 8 lbs an average gain. By that, one start thinking in use AAS to accelerate grow process
Beyond genetics, it's age.
If you start when you're 16 you can put on 15 pounds a year for 10 years. If the same person starts at 30 he'll probably put on 5-6 pounds for a year or two before peaking, depending on how well versed in training he is.
This proves that body is meant to only grow so much -- which is why 20 pounds gains from a cycle is a fool paradise. You can't hold on to that much muscle. But it is possible to gain 5 pounds in a few weeks with the 3 week cycle. Even though that's a good years worth of muscle growth, people scoff at it. They'd rather gain 20 and lose it -- or kid themselves into thinking they're holding on to it by "bridging."
If you start when you're 16 you can put on 15 pounds a year for 10 years. If the same person starts at 30 he'll probably put on 5-6 pounds for a year or two before peaking, depending on how well versed in training he is.
This proves that body is meant to only grow so much -- which is why 20 pounds gains from a cycle is a fool paradise. You can't hold on to that much muscle. But it is possible to gain 5 pounds in a few weeks with the 3 week cycle. Even though that's a good years worth of muscle growth, people scoff at it. They'd rather gain 20 and lose it -- or kid themselves into thinking they're holding on to it by "bridging."
From my experience, after my 3 month supplementation, I stopped working out and lots of the mass went with it. I do still have more muscle than I started with. It is possible that even with continuing my workout, I would've lost this mass. I don't know. But what I do know is that as a beginner, if you consume lots of protein, carbs, the right supplements and crap, then you can definitely transform your body. I have also learned (from my on and off workout routines) that after you reach a certain point, gains become more difficult. And thus, I agree with those that say lower amounts of muscle are gained after a certain point when compared to the amount gained when you begin.
What I've also learned is that my goals have changed. For me, it is just too damn hard to eat all of the shit that goes with keeping a lot of mass on, even for someone that weighs as little as I do. Some are ok with eating a lot, but I feel all bloated and shit. It's not a good feeling when you're vomiting from having eaten so much. Plus all of this food and shit can get expensive! And so, I'm now going for the leaner look instead of the massive look. I wanna look halfway decent when I'm older instead of having skin hanging off of me and having to explain, "well dearie, all of this loose skin is from when I use to be huge, but now I'm some skinny ass old man with lots of skin hanging everywhere".
I don't know how in the hell I got on "JustyXXXX's Future Goal" in a forum about "without steroids", but I'm gonna keep the shit that I've written anyway . . . .
What I've also learned is that my goals have changed. For me, it is just too damn hard to eat all of the shit that goes with keeping a lot of mass on, even for someone that weighs as little as I do. Some are ok with eating a lot, but I feel all bloated and shit. It's not a good feeling when you're vomiting from having eaten so much. Plus all of this food and shit can get expensive! And so, I'm now going for the leaner look instead of the massive look. I wanna look halfway decent when I'm older instead of having skin hanging off of me and having to explain, "well dearie, all of this loose skin is from when I use to be huge, but now I'm some skinny ass old man with lots of skin hanging everywhere".
I don't know how in the hell I got on "JustyXXXX's Future Goal" in a forum about "without steroids", but I'm gonna keep the shit that I've written anyway . . . .
Singleton
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The first two replies answer the question pretty accurately, IMO.
That's about what I gained. In a few years, I went from a scrawny 141lb 19 yo to a 200lb 22 yo.
And after than, I can't get much more without anything. Now I'm older an my test levels are lower.
I'll continue to use these forums for a source of information, even if half of the posts are ass-brained
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