winter bulk critique

[adpeterson33]

6ft 205lbs 7th cycle 21yrs DIV 1 football player NFL prospect

Cycle:
weeks 1-4 dbol @ 60mgs
weeks 1-11 test e 500mg/wk
weeks 1-11 tren e 360mg/wk

looking to gain mass lost from season and deca is not an option. how much lean mass gain do ya'll think i'll keep or should I swap any compounds in the search for lean mass. Can't get my hands on EQ but all I want is mass and lean mass at that. So my diet will be on point. Don't have too much money rite now so this is what i will do for now.

 

[sweed]

Whooole moly! 7th cycle and you're only 21! damn! I don't even know where to start. I don't that have that experience. check out thesourcecheck.com for some EQ 'help'

 

[Bigpimpin10]

dbol wont help for lean mass... anavar would be good but itll be hard on the pockets..

and as sweed said... thesourcecheck.com is definetly a place you should be looking..alot of help on there.

 

[the elite addict]

id drop the tren. I hate it personally. Search for EQ if you insist on adding another compound. You could just run the dbol for 6 weeks instead of 4 weeks.

 

[the elite addict]

dbol wont help for lean mass... anavar would be good but itll be hard on the pockets..

and as sweed said... thesourcecheck.com is definetly a place you should be looking..alot of help on there.

I totally disagree. Just because dbol can cause water retention doesnt mean that it doesnt build lean mass (muscle) look at arnold. bloat can easily be controlled w an AI. Personally I like a little bloat in the winter. Its good for strength. Dbol is great for muscle growth. More so than var IMO. Var just doesnt convert to estro thus no bloat.

 

[Bigpimpin10]

I totally disagree. Just because dbol can cause water retention doesnt mean that it doesnt build lean mass (muscle) look at arnold. bloat can easily be controlled w an AI. Personally I like a little bloat in the winter. Its good for strength. Dbol is great for muscle growth. More so than var IMO. Var just doesnt convert to estro thus no bloat.

good point bro...i wont argue...

 

[the_alcatraz]

I totally disagree. Just because dbol can cause water retention doesnt mean that it doesnt build lean mass (muscle) look at arnold. bloat can easily be controlled w an AI. Personally I like a little bloat in the winter. Its good for strength. Dbol is great for muscle growth. More so than var IMO. Var just doesnt convert to estro thus no bloat.

Yes. You can gain lean muscle on dbol if you know what you're doing.

 

[rjbodnar62]

How r u gonna go through football practices coming off a cycle like that? You may put mass on now but it will be hard to keep it on during the season considering the strict testing policies.

Stay away from EQ, Deca. I think u know this already. I would cut the tren 2-3 wks b4 u stop the test.

 

[advanced-stealth]

Agree.

id drop the tren. I hate it personally. Search for EQ if you insist on adding another compound. You could just run the dbol for 6 weeks instead of 4 weeks.

 

[Chrisco915]

Also make sure to get familiar with the NFL's banned substances list.....I think some of yours are on it.

 

[sweed]

Btw what college are you playing for so we can root you on! lol

 

[halfcenturian]

You guys are handing out steroid advice like a stock tips.

This 21 year old kid has no business doing steroids, let alone 7 cycles !!!! So he started gear at 17 ???

Advicing someone to drop this... or, add this...is irresponsable and dangerous.

I wasn't aware that we had so many seasoned experts on how to run cycles. Then I read someone say you can't gain lean muscle on Dbol, and it confirms that you don't have any business providing cycle advice.

Or,"I'd run 60mg of Dbol for 6 weeks, instead of 4. WHY?
Let's up it to 80 for 8 weeks.

Lets consider all the factors of our steroid information seekers before we start throwing shit aginst the wall. You are dealing with their lives.

 

[sweed]

I hear ya HC. He's 6' and 200lbs. not sure about bf, but you can get to that and beyond without AS.....
I'm sure they have a great training program, but what is their diet program? The kid has no $, so what's gear going to do when his diet is café food??

 

[Heath82]

wow 7 cycles and you only weigh 205? i think you need to re-evaluate your diet... i know playing sports your burning alot of cals, but at 205 unless your a punter i doubt your gonna get signed. no offense

 

[adpeterson33]

i just finished a long season with injuries I came in at 230 and usually post season i get back up to 210. I have only lifted 2 days a week during the season. Im looking to bulk back up. then do a cutter in the spring and summer. My bodyfat is around 5-6% my bench is 400 squat is 600 and deadlift is 700

 

[rjbodnar62]

Sounds like u need to pay more attention to your in season training and diet. You shouldnt be dropping 20 lbs during the season. Your performance has to diminish somewhat at that rate. Perhaps because u r relying on the juice in the offseason??

 

[HAYEZ]

this guy is cycleing for a career..which if goes for him will make the rest of his life....dont think any of us have the right to tell him not to...

 

[rikishi]

edit: whatever

 

[halfcenturian]

this guy is cycleing for a career..which if goes for him will make the rest of his life....dont think any of us have the right to tell him not to...

WHAT??? YOU HAVE A RESPONSABILITY TO TELL HIM NOT TO!

Why is a guy age 21 with 7 cycles under belt asking for advice on how to bulk? Do you want to help him kill himself?

 

[HAYEZ]

WHAT??? YOU HAVE A RESPONSABILITY TO TELL HIM NOT TO!

Why is a guy age 21 with 7 cycles under belt asking for advice on how to bulk? Do you want to help him kill himself?

i didnt give him any advice,nor would i... but if he is doing this for sports and a career im sure he isnt going to listen to anyone. if he doesnt get in right away more then likely he will never have the chance again

 

[silent says]

i wouldnt have started that early of age but that is past the point now.I definitely would not run tren if you like to keep your wind up while running.If I was a league prospect I would steer clear,before your chances are over before you get in.Good luck I hope you make it either way.
Silent

 

[Bigpimpin10]

agree with silent... shortness of breath bro.

 

[sensational]

Sounds like u need to pay more attention to your in season training and diet. You shouldnt be dropping 20 lbs during the season. Your performance has to diminish somewhat at that rate. Perhaps because u r relying on the juice in the offseason??

This is just a plain lie, its impossible to maintain weight during the season for a lot of factors...

Man, I feel badly for this kid, I will post up in a second.

 

[sensational]

Ok bro, in order for me to properly answer this question I need to lay out the correct cycling rubric for a football athlete.

#1: Use compounds that do not increase your chance of injury during contact drills.
#2: Do not touch Winstrol...ever.
#3: Use a moderate dose of test with a substance that supports collagen synthesis.
#4: Look into the use of GH, if you can't afford it now, I am sure you will be able to when you turn pro.

Therefore, with your above cycle, I would add EQ to the mix. Use a small dose of AI, but not enough to dry you out considerably...actually, only use the AI if you have gyno issues. Go with 400mg EW.

I assume your training and stretching program are on point because you are D1.

For people arguing against its use in sports, ask yourself this question:

If the ability to provide for your family and its heirs was directly correlated to performance, would you use performance enhancing drugs? Think before you answer, it's not as black and white as some people think.

 

[HAYEZ]

Ok bro, in order for me to properly answer this question I need to lay out the correct cycling rubric for a football athlete.

#1: Use compounds that do not increase your chance of injury during contact drills.
#2: Do not touch Winstrol...ever.
#3: Use a moderate dose of test with a substance that supports collagen synthesis.
#4: Look into the use of GH, if you can't afford it now, I am sure you will be able to when you turn pro.

Therefore, with your above cycle, I would add EQ to the mix. Use a small dose of AI, but not enough to dry you out considerably...actually, only use the AI if you have gyno issues. Go with 400mg EW.

I assume your training and stretching program are on point because you are D1.

For people arguing against its use in sports, ask yourself this question:

If the ability to provide for your family and its heirs was directly correlated to performance, would you use performance enhancing drugs? Think before you answer, it's not as black and white as some people think.

this is exactly what i was talkjng about with my last post...if you have a chance to make it of course your going to take any possible to make it work...life could be set if it worked out

 

[halfcenturian]

Now you are fine tuning his cycle ???

 

[sensational]

Now you are fine tuning his cycle ???

And why not?

I would bet he is going to do a cycle irregardless of what warnings people on here give him...

It is his life, we might as well give him advice to help him lower the risks of side effects, and raise his chances of success rather than simply hoping--ignorantly--that our advice to not cycle will be heeded.

Let's be a helpful, non-judgmental board. This is no disrespect to your HC, I just simply disagree with you.

 

[HAYEZ]

And why not?

I would bet he is going to do a cycle irregardless of what warnings people on here give him...

It is his life, we might as well give him advice to help him lower the risks of side effects, and raise his chances of success rather than simply hoping--ignorantly--that our advice to not cycle will be heeded.

Let's be a helpful, non-judgmental board. This is no disrespect to your HC, I just simply disagree with you.

+1 i agree... people are going to do what they are going to do... i would atleast help put them in the right direction because who knows what they may here from someone else...look at the threads you see pop up from people in the gyms telling these guys what to do cycle wise...lmfao... i love everybody and mean no disrepsect to those i disagree with but im just not politicaly correct i guess...

 

[needtogetaas]

I hear you on this one half.

This guy is in the thick of it now though and he is over the age of 21. I do not like that he has 7 cycles under his belt. In fact I hate it. The fact that he has so many under his belt yet is still asking newb ??? pisses me off even more too.

AT this point we need to put it out there like this....


When was the last time you got a blood test bro????

What dose your training and diet look like? This thread is closed to all posters till we get this info. Do not post till we have the answer to this.

Half please keep me informed on this post if you see a update.