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Will 100mg of deca be enough to receive the joint healing benefits?

calabresenj

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I have a rotator cuff injury from college football and separated the same shoulder. During high school. I never got the surgery and opted to just go with rehab. I've been training Mma since I stopped playing ball and my shoulder is pretty f-ed! I was just wondering if I could run deca purely for the joint healing purpose? If anyone has any experience with this please let me know. I am not currently injured just day to day life is extremely painful. As everyone here knows giving up training is not an option. I'm fighting Father Time so taking time off the mat is not an option either.
Thanks in advance for any help!
 
Yea bro I've been reading about it. That TB-500 sounds amazing! I'm hesitant cause it sounds to amazing. I thought deca lubricated the joints? I guess that's just another old gym fairy tale. Thanks joe!
 
Deca adds fluid to the joint so it feels better, stop taking the deca stop feeling better.
What happens when your joint feels better but isn't really healing?
You probably end up fucking it up worst.
Deca is a bad option IMO
 
Deca adds fluid to the joint so it feels better, stop taking the deca stop feeling better.
What happens when your joint feels better but isn't really healing?
You probably end up fucking it up worst.
Deca is a bad option IMO

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ very good advice here... i highly advise against using deca for that purpose... if you need any help with tb then you know im here to help you bro... tb really fucking works and its such a better option...
 
TB and ostarine. That stack is the shit bro

deca is the wrong option here, it's not a healer, more like a temporary pain reducer.
 
Thanks guys. That makes perfect sense. I think I'm gonna jump on the tb now. Dylan your like the older brother I never had lol. Thank you. Tb it is. Ill be sure to keep everyone posted once I start.
 
Bigassturd I lol everytime I read your screen name. Thanks bro. I appreciate it. I'm planning on running osta in a couple months so I don't wanna jump on it yet. I'm really excited for the sarms 3-piece it sounds as amazing as tb.
 
i agree with the above.. also you need to improve your diet. most guys diets are awful and make joint pain WORSE. if you aren't eating cage free eggs, grassfed beef, real olive oil, flax oil, oily fish like mackerel and salmon and other omega's in your diet then your diet just isn't gonna work for your joints. look into krill oil too as a supplement

deca doesn't do a damn thing for your joints, not sure who started up that internet myth.. probably someone trying to sell his deca to someone who had joint problems. all it does is add water to lube things up, but it doesn't do SHIT to directly help the joints. just like winny doesn't do shit to hurt the joints, it just dries them up. when you stop taking either you lose the lube or you lose the dryness so you are right back where you started lol
 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ very good advice here... i highly advise against using deca for that purpose... if you need any help with tb then you know im here to help you bro... tb really fucking works and its such a better option...

I would be interested in hearing more about tb500
 
I have a rotator cuff injury from college football and separated the same shoulder. During high school. I never got the surgery and opted to just go with rehab. I've been training Mma since I stopped playing ball and my shoulder is pretty f-ed! I was just wondering if I could run deca purely for the joint healing purpose? If anyone has any experience with this please let me know. I am not currently injured just day to day life is extremely painful. As everyone here knows giving up training is not an option. I'm fighting Father Time so taking time off the mat is not an option either.
Thanks in advance for any help!

What did your MRI show? I had a completely torn rotator and of course had to have surgery. Did it dumbell benching.
 
Steve thanks. Your pretty good. The past few months I have cut back on my olive oil intake and ive been slacking on the salmon. I can't do mackerel. I'm usually pretty good with my diet but I've been working late in the evenings and skipping dinner. Which is when I would have my fish meals. I never would have put 2&2 together. I will make sure to stop skipping dinner for a couple weeks and see how it goes. This is why I love this site!
 
I think the "Deca lubricates the joints" thing may even pre-date the internet. The 1st time I heard that was in Dan Duchaine's Anabolic Reference Guide (1990). I still have a copy, LOL!

Pages 29-30, "Deca has gained a reputation as being somewhat of an alleviator of sore joints and tendons. Athletes report that sore shoulders, knees and/or elbows are somehow without pain on the Deca cycle."

That was golden information at the time. Wow, have things changed! Information is infinitely better and more readily available now...thanks to a site like this.
 
Thank you! I'm convinced on trying TB also. Does anyone's rats have a favorite place for TB?

try TB 5mg .. the next day you will either feel better.. or feel nothing.. if your rat feels better than continue treatment.. if it doesn't then you are gonna have to take it easy on your joints and use the omega oil program i listed above. chemical need is a current sponsor and they sell it

also if you have abused anti-inflammatories in the past keep in mind you could of caused a condition to become chronic and/or permanent.

the body will send out inflammation to a joint when there is an injury or excessive use. guys who use anti-inflammatories in that situation SHUT OFF their own body from healing things. its so why so many guys in their 40's and 50's have chronic problems from weightlifting and why there is this myth out there that lifting weights is bad for you. once again a small amount of meatheads gives this wonderful lifestyle/hobby/sport a bad rep because they were stupid

i wanted also to make it clear to those reading this that it is imperative that olive oil be pure that they buy. even if they claim it to be real olive oil what is actually being sold to you is vegetable oil, and yes those companies get away with it. if a bottle of olive oil costs 3 bucks then you are probably buying veggy oil, not real olive oil. legit olive oil will never be that cheap unless maybe you live in Italy lol.. the simplest way to tell if its legit olive oil is the price + when you drink it raw it should give your throat a mild burn. then you know its legit.
 
why don't you also get ultra-sound deep tissue therapy. some ppl think ultra-sound is the stuff pregnant women use to see if it's a boy/girl. but it's actually sound waves rubbed over the shoulder joint or wherever joint. ultra-sound gives heat to that area where it's very hard to get heat at. Ultra-sound treatment can be administered by a physical therapist or a chiropractor and is like dirt cheap if u have no insurance.

i had an irritated shoulder warmth/tenderness that wouldn't go away and with 1 ultra-sound treatment administered by a physical therapist it got 90 % better for a long time.

also maybe try goin 2 the health care provider jay cutler goes to neuromuscular therapists (NT's). They stretch tendons and muscles, and joints in a way that u can't get heat to in a traditional way.

stretching and heat (by a pro like an NT) in the long run helps with healing...getting to the root of the problem

also as u probably know load up on glucosamine, & fish oil and drink loads of water.
 
I think the "Deca lubricates the joints" thing may even pre-date the internet. The 1st time I heard that was in Dan Duchaine's Anabolic Reference Guide (1990). I still have a copy, LOL!

Pages 29-30, "Deca has gained a reputation as being somewhat of an alleviator of sore joints and tendons. Athletes report that sore shoulders, knees and/or elbows are somehow without pain on the Deca cycle."

That was golden information at the time. Wow, have things changed! Information is infinitely better and more readily available now...thanks to a site like this.
nice work...authoritative source..."pre-dates the web" can't get it more from the horses mouth than that...Deca-D for the aged and the arthritic....im almost 41 dude & Deca-d will be a part of my shoulder stabbing meds, soon...just waitin 4 the next cycle :)
 
Thanks for all the feedback! All that info is great! I'm going to the dr next week. On travel this week. I will def ask about the ultrasound and try to see if I can get my dr to write a referral for the NT. thanks bros this thread has been extremely useful!
 
I'm glad to help cos I'm in a similar situation. Shoulder injuries are the most common bodybuilding injury. One of the best things for older people like myself (41 y.o.) and you to do is to go to a chiropractor every so often--I think every 1-2 months, but I'm not sure. The chiropractor will put the body in balance. The medical/pharmaceutical community wants to prescribe medication and make lots of money. Chiropractor's should charge only $35-$50 for an adjustment. The intial/consultation visit will be a little higher cos some chiropractors take x-rays. Chiro's use electro-stimulation to relax your neck, your lower back, your traps, your shoulders. They stretch out the bod and then push it back into alignment. I highly recommend not only an NT, but a chiropractor--cos a chiro is all-inclusive--the entire bod. Physical therapy is only body-specific and is not as thorough on the whole body as a chiropractor is. Plus, ask your chiro (after u get a referral for a chiro from your fam doctor) about a cutting edge treatment called "Laser." This is a little expensive, but excuse the pun--it's ultra-sound on steroids :) x times better!

get yourself also a McDavid hot/cold gel pack shoulder strap pad about $40 on amazon.com. WARM UP WITH A HOT GEL PACK BEFORE TRAINING AND like my physical therapist recommends put ice on the shoulder after working out cos it helps with healing. I thought ice was only immediately after an injury, but it also is a big step in speeding up recuperation and healing muscle fiber tears post-workout.


also "Treat Your Own Rotator Cuff" by Jim Johnson, PT (physical therapist) can also be purchased on amazon.com. There are like 500 reviews with at least a 4 star rating on this book. I have it myself. You will learn about your rotator cuff, its function and also what exercises to do prior to training, during training and how to add strength and HEALING WARMTH to this weak part of the bod--the rotator cuff of the shoulder joint.

finally, when you are doing flat bench presses don't do full range of motion don't bring the bar all the way down to your chest. Also don't completely lock-out. When you were younger you could do full range of motion for a better stretch, but it's a real strain on the little rotator cuff joint when your older.

also when you do upright rows you know how you bring the bar down and kind of let it hang at the bottom of the movement? Don't do that anymore. That's a big strain on the rotator cuff, too. You don't want to hang anymore even though it seems kind of natural. Like also when you do dumbell shoulder shrugs at the bottom, there's a tendency to let that dumbell hang and pull & (maybe rest) before bringing it back up to your ear, BUT *that really stresses the rotator cuff joint in the shoulder--don't do that.

I'm grateful to have helped you in a small way cos like I said shoulder probs are a very common bodybuilding injury--the rotator cuff is an INHERENTLY tiny, weak part of the body, and I'm happy to help because I myself also want to repair my own shoulder problems and to prevent further.

The mind is your best tool..mind over matter!...you can and WILL get your shoulder as close to 100% better!

Take care, and let us know of your progress at another post. :)
 
finally, when you are doing flat bench presses don't do full range of motion don't bring the bar all the way down to your chest. Also don't completely lock-out. When you were younger you could do full range of motion for a better stretch, but it's a real strain on the little rotator cuff joint when your older.

also when you do upright rows you know how you bring the bar down and kind of let it hang at the bottom of the movement? Don't do that anymore.

With rotator cuff issues, I wouldn't do barbell much. I do most all dumbells. When things start to go wrong I can always dump the dumbells. With a barbell you better hope your spotter isn't checking out some hot ass. And I do all high rep lifts 15 reps 4 sets. You will still get massive on high reps.
 
For those not Familiar with TB 500, TB-500 is a synthetic version of the naturally occurring peptide present in virtually all human and animal cells, Thymosin Beta 4 (TB500). It is a first-in-class drug candidate that promotes the following*:

Endothelial (blood vessels) cell differentiation Angiogenesis (growth of new blood cells from pre-existing vessels) in dermal tissues
Keratinocyte migration
Collagen deposition; and
Decreases inflammation.
One of TB500 key mechanisms of action is its ability to regulate the cell-building protein, Actin, a vital component of cell structure and movement. Of the thousands of proteins present in cells, actin represents up to 10% of the total proteins which therefore plays a major role in the genetic makeup of the cell.

This potent peptide is a member of a unique family of 16 related molecules with a high conservation of sequence and localization in most tissues and circulating cells in the body. TB500 not only binds to actin, but also blocks actin polymerization and is the actin-sequestering molecule in eukaryotic cells.
TB500 was identified as a gene that was up-regulated four-to-six fold during early blood vessel formation and found to promote the growth of new blood cells from the existing vessels. This peptide is present in wound fluid and when administered subcutaneously, it promotes wound healing, muscle building and speeds up recovery time of muscles fibres and their cells.
An additional key factor of TB500 is that it promotes cell migration through a specific interaction with actin in the cell cytoskeleton. It has been demonstrated that a central small amino acid long-actin binding domain has both blood cell reproduction and wound healing characteristics. These characteristics are uncovered by accelerating the migration of endothelial cells and keratinocytes. It also increases the production of extracellular matrix-degrading enzymes.
Research confirms that TB500 is a potent, naturally occurring wound repair factor with anti-inflammatory properties. TB500 is different from other repair factors, such as growth factors, in that it promotes endothelial and keratinocyte migration. It also does not bind to the extracellular matrix and has a very low molecular weight meaning it can travel relatively long distances through tissues.

You're welcome....:)
 
Mrsocal, radar thank you! I really appreciate the help. It's a nagging injury that I've had forever. I'm def trying the TB, and I already ordered that book. Thanks guys. I hope to post some good news after the TB arrives. I will def keep everyone posted!
 
hgh and tb500 healed my shoulders.... years ago i broken both collar bone and dislocated my left shoulder (all at separate times)2005 was the last time i broke my collar bone.... and both shoulders where bad, it affected my work a good bit...

been on hgh since February and tb500 since late august....the progress is amazing i no longer get pain in my shoulders when holding stuff above my head,, or working out...it has also been helping with my tendinitis in my elbow

i truly thought i would need surgery because cortisone shots did nothing and the couple of docs i did see all said i had rotator cuff damage but never did get mri

hope this helps
 
here is the common dosing protocol for tb-500...

loading phase: 4-6 weeks... 5mg a week... one injection a week... sub q...

maintenance: 5mg month... once a month...

HOWEVER... through study and personal usage I have found that the best maintenance dose is 5 mg every 2 weeks... i have found this to be much more effective and there is no safey issue in dosing this way...
 
Thanks Dylan! My rats TB should be on a trip to its new home as I type! I think my shoulder feels better just knowing its coming! Thanks bro!


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With rotator cuff issues, I wouldn't do barbell much. I do most all dumbells. When things start to go wrong I can always dump the dumbells. With a barbell you better hope your spotter isn't checking out some hot ass. And I do all high rep lifts 15 reps 4 sets. You will still get massive on high reps.

Hi, goin on 4t! That's great advice! I've copied and pasted it to a MS Word doc. Dumbells are much better cos like you said u don't need a spotter, u can just drop the dumbell.

Also, I'm glad your "golfer's elbow" is almost 100% better, too! I had a similar injury to my left elbow. I called it a "tennis elbow" injury. But it's the same thing just another name for it. I injured left elbow doin heavy e-z bar preacher curls. My experience with dbol is that it adds lots of strength and makes u very, very hungry...Also, if you add creatine tabs before workout and pre-workout Animal-Pak energy vitamins which are loaded with Milk Thistle to the mix, then you'll get AMAZINGLY STRONG ON TRAINING DAYS AT THE GYM! :)

I got an elbow wrap for my left elbow. Two IFBB pro's, Markus Ruhl and his training buddy, Pit Trenz, wear elbow pads. I don't care how weird or maybe weak-looking it may appear on me, cos it keeps the elbow warm during heavy duty training & thus help prevents elbow strains. ***Plus, as long as I look good outside the gym, I don't care what kind of "old-geezer-looking" or dorky gym equipment/body support I wear inside the gym.

Well-known IFBB pro--Mark Dugdale from WA, and my friend from Palm Springs who was The "2010 Mr. California 50 year old division state champ," Carlos Ariss, both believe that you can still get huge and increase muscle mass on higher reps--as long as you go to failure.

Mark wrote me via a Facebook comment that a recent study showed there's not much of a difference between moderate weight high rep and heavy weight low rep training for building mass and muscle definition. Mark owns his own business and isn't a heavy volume trainer. I think he does like 3 sets sometimes, 2 sets cos of his very busy food business schedule.

Joe Weider (the father of pro bodybuilding) who trained all the famous champs has always written since the late 1970's/early '80's, that 8-12 is a good range.

There are no hard and fast rules, but certainly at the ages of late 30's early 40's, it shouldn't anymore be thought of wimpy or only for getting "cuts" to do 12-15 reps and maybe also iso-metrically squeeze the muscle right after each set.

There's a small chance that you might not make huge advances because you'll be progressively adding weight at a more slower pace, but if you get an injury, that's a big bummer that isn't worth it...and destroys all that heavy training low rep work that a person did.

Those who train at higher reps will definitely be in the bodybuilding game in the long run with better joint and tendon health. (versus those who train real heavy, hurl heavy weight up and might get massive real fast, but who inevitably get injuries like pec-tears and can't train hardly enough anymore).
 
Thanks Dylan! My rats TB should be on a trip to its new home as I type! I think my shoulder feels better just knowing its coming! Thanks bro!


Please help my boy Dylan out and use the pimpest code going for disc's at ntbm!
PIMP20 !!!
Sent from my iPhone using EliteFitness app

anytime bro!
 
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