Why The Hell Am I Getting Mass While Cutting!!?

[toxicsambo]

O.k, I've been on my cutting cycle for 5 weeks now. Goes like this:

Winstrol-350mgs/week
Proviron-25 mgs ED
T-3: taper up and down, start at 25mcgs for 7 days, then 50, 75, and down to 50 etc.

Diet: Clean protein. Eggs, broiled chicken, fish, whey isolate. My only carbs come from 1 baked potato a day and some cucumber and tomato in my salads. Drinking water, tea, coffee( no sugar) My calories never exceed 1,200 a day.

Workout: In the gym 5-6 days a week. 1 muscle per day, reps of 8/6/4/2/8, 2-3 exercises. I do cardio every time for an hour. I mix 30 min of jump rope and 30 min of walk/jog on the treadmill. I do abs every day.

O.k, so since I started my cycle others have said " Your losing weight fast" So I'm thinking " Perfect, Just as planned." But instead of maintaining my size from my bulk cycle in a supposed catabolic state with T-3 and a calorie deficit, I'm getting fkn huge!!! Yes, I'm getting harder and shedding fat, but my muscle mass is ballooning. HOW!?

I weighed myself at the gym yesterday and I'm 247lbs!! I do not want to be this fkn big. How does this happen when I'm doing so much cardio and eating so little. I mean, gawddamn! So much for the theory that T-3 is highy catabolic, bcuz in my case it's bs. I'm comitting myself to a 12 week cutting regiment, so I have 2 months and a week to go. Maybe things will even out. Any thoughts bor's????

 

[a-bomb5083]

what was your starting weight? unless your highly responsive to T3, i doubt at the dose your taking, that its responsible. seems kind of low, but then again, if your not exceeding 1200 calories, then maybe it could be working.

have you taken actual measurements to see if your really growing, or if its just a placebo effect. it could be that because you look a lot harder that you appear bigger, but in reality, your not. just curious, tryin to help a brutha out.

 

[TraxZBT]

Are you carbing up by any chance?? How quickly did you jump into the cutting cycle?... From how you describe it, seems like you put your body in starvation mode.. 1200 calories a day ... for 247?!?!!?! and cardio?!!?! I think you could be overdoing it....

 

[sparetire]

from your avatar, you look like you can easily add mass so maybe down the dosing on the winny and see if you stop gaining so much muscle..

 

[Neo22]

carb deplete a couple days and then refeed. Your calories are way to low either way.

 

[KOArtist]

so youre shedding fat AND your muscles are ballooning? Knock on wood...and KEEP DOING WHAT YOUVE BEEN DOING THEN! Lucky bastard, lol.

 

[zZzStarGazer]

I thought that was a good thing...
Quick question. The workout reps you are doing... I'm assuming you are using heavy weights and low reps? That might be your prob. You are using strength muscles. Use your endurance muscvles but using low weights, high reps, short breaks that way you are keeping your blood pumping. It's like a full fledged cardio/weight session. It's keeps me slimmed.

 

[Joe Stenson]

I'm assuming you are using heavy weights and low reps? That might be your prob. You are using strength muscles. Use your endurance muscvles but using low weights, high reps, short breaks that way you are keeping your blood pumping.

He's not trying to lose muscle...

 

[sandman_007]

1200 calories? you'll probably lose muscle eventually with such a low calorie diet

 

[Joe Stenson]

1200 calories? you'll probably lose muscle eventually with such a low calorie diet

With carefully planned refeeds, this is probably the most effective way to diet.

 

[bicepts101]

is really a problem here...shit gimmie that deal

 

[toxicsambo]

from your avatar, you look like you can easily add mass so maybe down the dosing on the winny and see if you stop gaining so much muscle..

I think that may be the culprit. I may have a high affinity to winny. Plus T-3 enhances the anabolic effect. So maybe a strong anabolic like winny and the anabolic effects of t-3 when used with aas is really having an effect. It's just really fkn crazy.

 

[silverbackn]

If what you said is true why the hell would you change it, that is all of our goals wrapped up into one.

 

[zZzStarGazer]

He's not trying to lose muscle...

You think that loses muscles? Explain...

 

[UA_Iron]

1200n calories a day is wayy too low. Something is bound to go wrong.

 

[borg4902]

Yea this cant be right. 1200 for lunch mabey...

 

[zZzStarGazer]

Hey, I'm always right.. if I'm wrong, I surely will have a better opinion than someone else. So I wanna hear this.

 

[krishna]

I'm trying to cut but gaining a tiny bit of weight too. Oh well, if the muscle wants to come, I welcome it. Could it be the tren? hmmmm...

 

[UA_Iron]

Hey, I'm always right.. if I'm wrong, I surely will have a better opinion than someone else. So I wanna hear this.

typical female

 

[Joe Stenson]

You think that loses muscles? Explain...

If you start dropping the weights you're lifting while cutting you'll inevitably lose muscle. Your muscles have no physiological reason to be the size they are other than the fact that they have adapted to lifting heavy weights, so that in the future you can continue lifting those same weights. Once the stimulus is no longer there, BAM! Muscle loss. I thought that was fairly apparent.

That's why during PCT people always advise you to lower the volume, but keep trying to lift just as heavy...

 

[zZzStarGazer]

If you start dropping the weights you're lifting while cutting you'll inevitably lose muscle. Your muscles have no physiological reason to be the size they are other than the fact that they have adapted to lifting heavy weights, so that in the future you can continue lifting those same weights. Once the stimulus is no longer there, BAM! Muscle loss. I thought that was fairly apparent.

That's why during PCT people always advise you to lower the volume, but keep trying to lift just as heavy...

I disagree strongly. I have found there are three types of functions in your muscles, thus providing different types of muscle development. One, strengthening, those are the muscles that have to enure heavy weights and small reps, Those muscles gain a pump and also gain heavy mass. Then there is an endurance functioning muscle that help endure long durations and small weights. Because those need to conserve energy those muscles are small. Pefect example: Body builders use heavy weights thus they have larger muscles. Endurance muscle users, for example, cardio runners, have smaller leaner muscles.
The third is the mainting muscles, but uh, I'm sure you don't wanna know about that.
I thought these were apparent.

 

[zZzStarGazer]

typical female

Oh honey. I will back my shit up. If I don't know it, I'll keep quiet.

 

[borg4902]

You know the best way too loose muscle go on a really low cal diet and do cardio on top of it.

 

[krishna]

I disagree strongly. I have found there are three types of functions in your muscles, thus providing different types of muscle development. One, strengthening, those are the muscles that have to enure heavy weights and small reps, Those muscles gain a pump and also gain heavy mass. Then there is an endurance functioning muscle that help endure long durations and small weights. Because those need to conserve energy those muscles are small. Pefect example: Body builders use heavy weights thus they have larger muscles. Endurance muscle users, for example, cardio runners, have smaller leaner muscles.
The third is the mainting muscles, but uh, I'm sure you don't wanna know about that.
I thought these were apparent.

I never lose muscle when switching to higher reps with less weight. I do lose strength though. As long as you're training them, and your diet is right, you won't lose muscle; you're muscle functioning will just start to transition from strength to endurance. Now I'm sure that stamina and endurance training for extended periods of time will cause muscle loss to someone with a BB physique. Maybe this is what he was referring to. I guess I agree with both of you in a way.

 

[Nighthawkk]

You sure it's not the muscle revealing itself as you're dropping the fat? Or maybe the site injects from the winny causing swelling? I felt the same way about the appearance of getting more muscular during a cutting cycle, but most of the time it was just that I liked what I saw in the mirror after the fat started to come off. Although I wouldn't totally discount the possibility that you CAN gain lean muscle in a slight caloric deficit while taking in a lot of protein. Everyone's genetics, training and diet are different so who knows. Keep doing whatever you're doing though lol

 

[zZzStarGazer]

I never lose muscle when switching to higher reps with less weight. I do lose strength though. As long as you're training them, and your diet is right, you won't lose muscle; you're muscle functioning will just start to transition from strength to endurance. Now I'm sure that stamina and endurance training for extended periods of time will cause muscle loss to someone with a BB physique. Maybe this is what he was referring to. I guess I agree with both of you in a way.

Think of loose massive muscle with lots of air pockets. That is what muscle looks like when you use strength training, hence the bulkiness of body builders. Then think of condensed, lean muscle of a track runner.
Yes he will loose the bulkiness and loose the mass because it will condense itslef into a leaner muscle.But he won't lose the muscle. You are right also krishna, his strength may not be as much since he is not using his strength functioning muscles. But isn't that his goal? To simply cut up?

 

[02gixxersix2]

I don't even know how I would only get 1200 calories in daily. That seems awfully close to a starvation diet to me, and I'm only 185 lbs.

 

[Joe Stenson]

I disagree strongly. I have found there are three types of functions in your muscles, thus providing different types of muscle development. One, strengthening, those are the muscles that have to enure heavy weights and small reps, Those muscles gain a pump and also gain heavy mass. Then there is an endurance functioning muscle that help endure long durations and small weights. Because those need to conserve energy those muscles are small. Pefect example: Body builders use heavy weights thus they have larger muscles. Endurance muscle users, for example, cardio runners, have smaller leaner muscles.
The third is the mainting muscles, but uh, I'm sure you don't wanna know about that.
I thought these were apparent.

Cardio runners (aside from sprinters) don't even have muscle, lol. I can't believe you'd use them in an example. They look like starving Ethiopian children.

OF COURSE I'm talking about bodybuilders. This is a bodybuilding board. Go renew your subscription to Runner's Digest if you want to talk about that garbage.

Anyway, there is such a thing as "pump training" in bodybuilding, which utilizes lower weights, more reps, and more volume. The thing is if you do a complete 180, drop your heavy lifting, and switch to this style you're more than likely going to lose muscle. Maybe not right away, but definitely over time.

Just as an example, you can't go from squatting 405 for 5 reps down to 275 for 15-20 reps and expect to maintain all of your mass. Squatting 275 does not take the same amount of muscle to lift as 405.

Oh honey. I will back my shit up. If I don't know it, I'll keep quiet.

Women are very rarely correct. I'm sure you're no exception .

 

[zZzStarGazer]

Cardio runners (aside from sprinters) don't even have muscle, lol. I can't believe you'd use them in an example. They look like starving Ethiopian children.

OF COURSE I'm talking about bodybuilders. This is a bodybuilding board. Go renew your subscription to Runner's Digest if you want to talk about that garbage.

Anyway, there is such a thing as "pump training" in bodybuilding, which utilizes lower weights, more reps, and more volume. The thing is if you do a complete 180, drop your heavy lifting, and switch to this style you're more than likely going to lose muscle. Maybe not right away, but definitely over time.

Just as an example, you can't go from squatting 405 for 5 reps down to 275 for 15-20 reps and expect to maintain all of your mass. Squatting 275 does not take the same amount of muscle to lift as 405.



Women are very rarely correct. I'm sure you're no exception .

And I'm sure you haven't had one in a while either. You're a dick.

 

[stuck]

I disagree strongly. I have found there are three types of functions in your muscles, thus providing different types of muscle development. One, strengthening, those are the muscles that have to enure heavy weights and small reps, Those muscles gain a pump and also gain heavy mass. Then there is an endurance functioning muscle that help endure long durations and small weights. Because those need to conserve energy those muscles are small. Pefect example: Body builders use heavy weights thus they have larger muscles. Endurance muscle users, for example, cardio runners, have smaller leaner muscles.

Type A muscle fibers are for endurance activities. They get more oxygen and carbohydrates than type B muscle fibers because their main purpose is use during aerobic activity. Type A fibers can grow slightly, but do not contribute much at all to muscle mass, hence the gangly yet muscular runner-look. Type B fibers are used for short term anaerobic activity. They can grow and give increases in strength. As you "damage" them from lifting, the myofilaments grow back thicker, causing the muscle to grow.

I don't think dropping weight and going up in reps does anything to help cutting for men. Obviously I have no experience from the women's side, so I can't comment. I agree with you on the different muscle types, but I don't think that raising the rep rate can push you from anaerobic to aerobic. Unless you're doing that set for 15 minutes.

 

[theoak01]

bro enjoy this and take advantage of it,I get the same when im cutting be it on or off,I hold the same weight,eat about 1500-1700cals a day lift 5 days a week and cardio 5 days a week burning 400cals doing cardio and just drop bf with no weight loss on the scale

 

[zZzStarGazer]

Type A muscle fibers are for endurance activities. They get more oxygen and carbohydrates than type B muscle fibers because their main purpose is use during aerobic activity. Type A fibers can grow slightly, but do not contribute much at all to muscle mass, hence the gangly yet muscular runner-look. Type B fibers are used for short term anaerobic activity. They can grow and give increases in strength. As you "damage" them from lifting, the myofilaments grow back thicker, causing the muscle to grow.

I don't think dropping weight and going up in reps does anything to help cutting for men. Obviously I have no experience from the women's side, so I can't comment. I agree with you on the different muscle types, but I don't think that raising the rep rate can push you from anaerobic to aerobic. Unless you're doing that set for 15 minutes.

Ok, that makes some sense. Then my question would be that if he's maintaining his weight in muscle and he's doing the same procedures for cutting, but he's only bulking up more. Would it be because he's temporarily swelling from the muscle recovery and soon enough it will condense into more muscle?

 

[stuck]

Ok, that makes some sense. Then my question would be that if he's maintaining his weight in muscle and he's doing the same procedures for cutting, but he's only bulking up more. Would it be because he's temporarily swelling from the muscle recovery and soon enough it will condense into more muscle?

I'm not sure why he's getting huge. I wish I could have that problem. At 1200 cals a day his body may be in starvation mode, it shouldn't last for 5 week tho.


2000 cals should be plenty to cut at 247 lbs. At 1200 calories I wouldn't even be able to get out of bed. Dude must just be a freak. I say enjoy it while it lasts.

 

[Joe Stenson]

And I'm sure you haven't had one in a while either. You're a dick.

People only start slinging mud when they know they're wrong. That is all.

Type A muscle fibers are for endurance activities. They get more oxygen and carbohydrates than type B muscle fibers because their main purpose is use during aerobic activity. Type A fibers can grow slightly, but do not contribute much at all to muscle mass, hence the gangly yet muscular runner-look. Type B fibers are used for short term anaerobic activity. They can grow and give increases in strength. As you "damage" them from lifting, the myofilaments grow back thicker, causing the muscle to grow.

I don't think dropping weight and going up in reps does anything to help cutting for men. Obviously I have no experience from the women's side, so I can't comment. I agree with you on the different muscle types, but I don't think that raising the rep rate can push you from anaerobic to aerobic. Unless you're doing that set for 15 minutes.

Thank-you.

The only thing I disagree with is that increasing reps doesn't do anything for cutting. It WILL burn more calories, so it is doing something positive. The only thing is that when lifting weights while cutting the main goal should be maintaining pre-cut strength levels (as best you can anyway); if you want a bigger caloric deficit do some cardio or eat less.

 

[the_only_sepe]

low doses of t-3 can improve protein synthisis and enhance the anabolic effect, yes bodybuilders wanting to gain the most size will devolop their slow and fast twich muscles by doing some heavy slow training and fast explosive.. old news

 

[Neo22]

Think of loose massive muscle with lots of air pockets. That is what muscle looks like when you use strength training, hence the bulkiness of body builders. Then think of condensed, lean muscle of a track runner.
Yes he will loose the bulkiness and loose the mass because it will condense itslef into a leaner muscle.But he won't lose the muscle. You are right also krishna, his strength may not be as much since he is not using his strength functioning muscles. But isn't that his goal? To simply cut up?

You simply don't have any clue of what you are talking about so I have some exerpts from a article by Christian Thibaudeau. He knows more than you will ever know.

So, with this in mind, what should you do while dieting? Lower volume, up intensity, train with as heavy weight as possible. Do NOT look to lifting for fat loss. Allow diet and energy system work to take care of that.

Here are some rules, from Christian's article found HERE.

1. Use mostly compound (multi-joint and multi-muscle) exercises.

When consuming a hypocaloric diet, you can't use a very large training volume, so you should use exercises that'll get you the biggest bang for your buck. Isolation exercises can be used at the end of a workout to work on a specific weakness, but only do the bare minimum.

A good rule of thumb is to use lifts that will allow you to use the most weight. These will have a systemic effect on your body that'll help maintain or increase your muscle mass in this time of need. So focus on squats, deadlifts, various presses, rows and even some Olympic lifts if you know how to perform them.

2. Use a low volume of training.

During a fat loss diet your body has a lowered capacity to recover from physical work. This can't adapt very well to a high volume of training. Your sessions shouldn't last more than an hour, 30 to 45 minutes being best. Try to use only three to five exercises per session (three if you train only one muscle group on that day, four or five if you train two muscle groups) for three or four work sets each.

3. Train at a high level of intensity.

Your training load should be between 4 to 8 RM (reps max). You're basically performing sets of 4 to 8 reps, working close to failure (one rep short) on the first two work sets and to failure on the last one. I don't suggest working to failure on all three sets in this particular situation.

4. Rest long enough to perform at your best.

You're training to build muscle. If you have to lower the weights you use from set to set, you’re not resting long enough!

A good way to estimate when you should start your next set is your heart rate. When you feel that it’s slowing down to where it was before the first set, you can go. Normally we’re talking around two to three minutes. Some might be able to handle as little as 60 to 90 seconds, but it’s better to start higher and decrease the rest period, provided that you can maintain performance level.

5. Control the negative and explode with the positive.

The eccentric (lowering) phase should be performed in a controlled manner (3-4 seconds) while the concentric (lifting) portion should be performed explosively. This will maximize force production and place a larger adaptive stimulus on the fast-twitch motor units, which have a more important growth potential.

6. Training frequency should be three or four times per week.

If you’re trying to lose fat, chances are that you’ll be performing some form of energy systems work (ESW) or "cardio." Simply put, when you're dieting down you should try to avoid doing both ESW and strength training on the same day (except for a ten minute, slow pace warm-up before your strength session if needed).

Remember that your body has a lowered adaptive capacity when on a fat loss diet, so doing too much physical work will lead to some muscle loss.

7. Limit advanced techniques.

You can use some advanced techniques such as tempo contrast and iso-dynamic contrast as long as the intensity (training weight) is high enough. But don't perform too much of this type of work as it’s very demanding on the body.

8. Supersets are okay.

Supersets can also be used as long as the intensity is high enough. But if you perform a superset, don’t forget to count it as two exercises, not just one.

9. Go heavier.

Try to increase the weights you use at all costs (but not at the expense of proper form). Increasing the training load is the best way to tell your body to keep its muscles!

Take home note: train heavy, hard, and lower volume while dieting

 

[bicepts101]

Hey, I'm always right.. if I'm wrong, I surely will have a better opinion than someone else. So I wanna hear this.

you just lost all hot points....

 

[bicepts101]

I disagree strongly. I have found there are three types of functions in your muscles, thus providing different types of muscle development. One, strengthening, those are the muscles that have to enure heavy weights and small reps, Those muscles gain a pump and also gain heavy mass. Then there is an endurance functioning muscle that help endure long durations and small weights. Because those need to conserve energy those muscles are small. Pefect example: Body builders use heavy weights thus they have larger muscles. Endurance muscle users, for example, cardio runners, have smaller leaner muscles.
The third is the mainting muscles, but uh, I'm sure you don't wanna know about that.
I thought these were apparent.

called fast twitch and slow twitch fibers

slow twich fibers dominate mass over fast twitch because they are naturally larger and much easier to put on mass. ie strength muscles

fast twitch fibers are used for endorence and are much harder to gain mass also there are less of them... there are o ton of them in your calves and forearms....

that is the general genetic structure of fast and slow twitch fibers on humans and it may vary a little to person to person.

i dont know what the fuck you are talking about with maintaining muscles...you can go fly a kite with that....2 types of muscle fibers, thats it

 

[Joe Stenson]

fast twitch fibers are used for endorence and are much harder to gain mass also there are less of them... there are o ton of them in your calves and forearms....

Without actually using the correct terminology this is what she was describing by recommending he drop the weight and increase reps. What I don't get is that she admitted this wasn't the way to train for mass, so I don't understand why she was arguing that his muscles wouldn't shrink by completely changing his training style.

Typical female...completely illogical .

 

[toxicsambo]

You sure it's not the muscle revealing itself as you're dropping the fat? Or maybe the site injects from the winny causing swelling? I felt the same way about the appearance of getting more muscular during a cutting cycle, but most of the time it was just that I liked what I saw in the mirror after the fat started to come off. Although I wouldn't totally discount the possibility that you CAN gain lean muscle in a slight caloric deficit while taking in a lot of protein. Everyone's genetics, training and diet are different so who knows. Keep doing whatever you're doing though lol

That's the thing most people dont seem to understand here. My diet is 95% protein. And calorie intake is different from person to person. I KNOW my body and I know 2,500 calories will not help me in cutting. I've done it before, and it didn't work. My body responds to AAS like flies to shit. I just never thought winny would do this to me. I thought I would just maintain. I'm not fatigued either. I'm running 1/4 mile intevals at 4min 30 sec. and I'll do that twice on some of my cardio sessions. I don't have a sculpted physique by any means but I'm just solid. I need to get a BF caliper definitely.

Oh and for whoever started this fast twitch slow twitch muscle fiber shit, shuddup. You're forgetting the fact that IM USING AAS RETARD. lol.

Like I said, I guess the winny/proviron, t3 stack is a real winner. It's doing more than I expected. Talk about protein fkn synthesis. Oh, and for those who want to know what type of winny I'm using, it's AncPharm. I don't hear many ppl talking about it much, but it's a fkn winner.

 

[bicepts101]

Without actually using the correct terminology this is what she was describing by recommending he drop the weight and increase reps. What I don't get is that she admitted this wasn't the way to train for mass, so I don't understand why she was arguing that his muscles wouldn't shrink by completely changing his training style.

Typical female...completely illogical .

...and as far as ectomorphs, mesomorphs, and endomorphs go ectos are born with more fast twitch than say an endo would....

 

[bicepts101]

Oh and for whoever started this fast twitch slow twitch muscle fiber shit, shuddup. You're forgetting the fact that IM USING AAS RETARD. lol.

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and WTF does that have to do with anything

the answer here is simple...your an endomorph its easy for u to gain muscle...look at ur avatar....responding well to AAS is just a exta topping

 

[glock40_1979]

Ive done the exact same thing. I was on a ckd and winstrol cycle and ended up putting on mass.

 

[Joe Stenson]

Oh and for whoever started this fast twitch slow twitch muscle fiber shit, shuddup. You're forgetting the fact that IM USING AAS RETARD. lol.

I'll re-iterate the post above me. WTF does that have to do with anything?

 

[stuck]

... nm, too much shitslinging in here.

 

[silverbackn]

called fast twitch and slow twitch fibers

slow twich fibers dominate mass over fast twitch because they are naturally larger and much easier to put on mass. ie strength muscles

fast twitch fibers are used for endorence and are much harder to gain mass also there are less of them... there are o ton of them in your calves and forearms....

that is the general genetic structure of fast and slow twitch fibers on humans and it may vary a little to person to person.

i dont know what the fuck you are talking about with maintaining muscles...you can go fly a kite with that....2 types of muscle fibers, thats it

I think you have fast twitch and slow twitch backwards

 

[bicepts101]

I think you have fast twitch and slow twitch backwards

nope..

 

[silverbackn]

I have a degree in exercise science and hold the CSCS, those aren't even close. Your forearms and calves are full of slow twitch because they are used constantly. If slow twitch puts on mass easier why aren't distance runners diesel? Fast twitch are not used for endurance, they are only recruited when a near maximal load is presented to a neuron which in turn fires enough synapses to move the load.

 

[wayneboard1]

I have a degree in exercise science and hold the CSCS, those aren't even close. Your forearms and calves are full of slow twitch because they are used constantly. If slow twitch puts on mass easier why aren't distance runners diesel? Fast twitch are not used for endurance, they are only recruited when a near maximal load is presented to a neuron which in turn fires enough synapses to move the load.

"must spread around Karma before giving Karma to Silverbackn"

 

[bicepts101]

I have a degree in exercise science and hold the CSCS, those aren't even close. Your forearms and calves are full of slow twitch because they are used constantly. If slow twitch puts on mass easier why aren't distance runners diesel? Fast twitch are not used for endurance, they are only recruited when a near maximal load is presented to a neuron which in turn fires enough synapses to move the load.

you are 100% correct and im glad u pointed that out....its funny i have alway thought the other way...what a jackass

 

[silverbackn]

you are 100% correct and im glad u pointed that out....its funny i have alway thought the other way...what a jackass

It's an easy mistake to make, i tried to hit you with k but I have to spread it around first. Too bad that's the first time my 5 years of college have ever been used .

 

[bicepts101]

Lmao!!!!....

 

[toxicsambo]

I'll re-iterate the post above me. WTF does that have to do with anything?

Because it has nothing to do with my question concerning winstrol/proviron/t3 stack and my diet. Also, silverbackn had to correct everyone here who were bitchin about muscle fibers. Ty silver.

Um, and no I'm not an endomorph. I don't have small feet, high waist, I can lose weight easily, and I don't have underdeveloped muscles. Only ectos have thin skin and have a hard time gaining mass. Mesos gain and lose weight fast, have dense bone structure, have thick skin, and gain muscle easily.

So the question now is, how many ppl used winny, t/3 for cutting, and who used AncPharm winny? How did your diet work with it? Don't reply if you want to talk about fast twitch ass fibers. Ty.

 

[bicepts101]

Because it has nothing to do with my question concerning winstrol/proviron/t3 stack and my diet. Also, silverbackn had to correct everyone here who were bitchin about muscle fibers. Ty silver.

Um, and no I'm not an endomorph. I don't have small feet, high waist, I can lose weight easily, and I don't have underdeveloped muscles. Only ectos have thin skin and have a hard time gaining mass. Mesos gain and lose weight fast, have dense bone structure, have thick skin, and gain muscle easily.

So the question now is, how many ppl used winny, t/3 for cutting, and who used AncPharm winny? How did your diet work with it? Don't reply if you want to talk about fast twitch ass fibers. Ty.

accually big guy i was correct i just had the definition of slow twitch under fast twitch buddy...and that was probably the first time u've ever heard of those words....

 

[will b huge]

so youre shedding fat AND your muscles are ballooning? Knock on wood...and KEEP DOING WHAT YOUVE BEEN DOING THEN! Lucky bastard, lol.

EXACTLY!!!!----Wish I always had that problem.....

 

[Joe Stenson]

Because it has nothing to do with my question concerning winstrol/proviron/t3 stack and my diet. Also, silverbackn had to correct everyone here who were bitchin about muscle fibers. Ty silver.

It had to do with training. Your question had to do with why you're gaining mass. If you can't see the connection between the two I don't feel inclined to point it out for you.

 

[will b huge]

TOXICSAMBO----I figured it out bro......YOU NEED to tell your wife to quit stabbing you 10ius GH and Test every night while your sleeping at 4am dreaming off in LALA land.....

That's all you got to do bro---to solve your problem......


(Another idea though, is to publish a book that ALL OF US will buy on how to only eat 1200 cal's and add tons of hard muscle while dropping body fat and completely changing our body composition......)---you'll be rich

 

[zZzStarGazer]

wow... I created a monster
HA!

 

[zZzStarGazer]

what? this is madness
toxic..
you got a little bit of great advice from everyone. I'm sure you got enough logic to decipher what would work best for you. Hope you get better results.

 

[bigrand]

stargazer is still hot.
Nothing hotter than a fit (obviously from the Av), sassy, smart female.

 

[bicepts101]

stargazer is still hot.
Nothing hotter than a fit (obviously from the Av), sassy, smart female.

na nothing more annoying than arrogance. as stated before she lost all hot point

 

[brahma_bull]

Think of loose massive muscle with lots of air pockets. That is what muscle looks like when you use strength training, hence the bulkiness of body builders. Then think of condensed, lean muscle of a track runner.
Yes he will loose the bulkiness and loose the mass because it will condense itslef into a leaner muscle.But he won't lose the muscle. You are right also krishna, his strength may not be as much since he is not using his strength functioning muscles. But isn't that his goal? To simply cut up?

It has nothing to do with the muscle changing itself, it has to do with what type of muscle fibers he is targeting with his workouts, of which the body has 3 different types. Slow Twitch (Type I), Fast Twitch (Type IIA & IIB) Slow Twitch and Fast Twitch type IIB for heavy lifting and explosive reps, and Fast Twitch IIA for aerobic activities, sprints, and what have you. Losing fat will just pronounce his muscle more, i.e., cutting, his muscle won't condense into anything, it's all about what type of training you do.

 

[brahma_bull]

stargazer is still hot.
Nothing hotter than a fit (obviously from the Av), sassy, smart female.

Hell yes she is, gawd damn

 

[silverbackn]

It has nothing to do with the muscle changing itself, it has to do with what type of muscle fibers he is targeting with his workouts, of which the body has 3 different types. Slow Twitch (Type I), Fast Twitch (Type IIA & IIB) Slow Twitch and Fast Twitch type IIB for heavy lifting and explosive reps, and Fast Twitch IIA for aerobic activities, sprints, and what have you. Losing fat will just pronounce his muscle more, i.e., cutting, his muscle won't condense into anything, it's all about what type of training you do.

Sprints aren't aerobic, anything aerobic is using a vast majority of slow twitch. Sprinting is definitely not slow twitch.

 

[Joe Stenson]

Sprints aren't aerobic, anything aerobic is using a vast majority of slow twitch. Sprinting is definitely not slow twitch.

Agreed

 

[brahma_bull]

Sprints aren't aerobic, anything aerobic is using a vast majority of slow twitch. Sprinting is definitely not slow twitch.

I didn't say sprints were slow twitch, but yeah it was a miscommunication on my part, i was thinking more along the lines of milers and longer, running i guess i should have said. Sounds like someone took a logic class along the way. All S is P!