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I wish they'd make a non 17AA D-bol. I'd have no problem taking that all day long.
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- Thread starter Nelson Montana
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I know the structure is similar but I don't feel the same on EQ. Never had the ace though.
Most fast acting pins hurt. I just thought, since d-bol is so awesome it'd be great not to worry about the liver strain.
Primo oral isn't 17 AA, but you need abotu 10 tabs spread out thoughout the day. But Primo isn;t a drug for when you want a quick, hard hit. D-bol would be great for that -- even if you needed to take it often.
buttbeater
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Just use a transdermal.
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lol. It's still 17AA bro.
northernknight
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True, there's a huge difference between how you feel on the them, and not even going to mention other differences between them. No other AAS/PED gives same great feeling like Dbol (SARMS, especially LGD is a bit similar, but still doesn't come even close to Dbol), and I feel like absolute crap on EQ.
I also get so bad anxiety from EQ. (Which hasn't happened with any other AAS/PED that I've tried), so it's probably obvious that it's not one of my favourites...
Then again, Dbol definitely is, lol!
It's interesting how much differences there's between them, even with so similar chemical structure.
This is a great idea IMO. If someone would seriously want to do this, it shouldn't be too hard to come up with non-methylated version of Dbol. Maybe attach a THP-ester to the molecule to make it more bio available, and extending the half life.
There's a non-methylated versions of Winny available, and discussed in Julius Vidas text. Though, Stanzolol has some weak points, like ie. weak binding affinity to AR, so to get any benefit from it doses have to be multiple times larger compared to 17-AA version. This will of course add more stress to organs, and brings liver stress back to equation. I don't see any other use to the non-methylated version of Winny ran on it's own, but when stacking multiple orals and other compounds it should provide pretty good results.
Though I haven't tried any non-17-AA version of Stanazolol myself, but I have tried stacking Furazan, which is pretty similar to Winny in many ways, and it works fine (I think Katadrol V.2 had Furazan in it) . Nothing spectacular, but neither did I expect that.
Like Nelson said, it would still be liver toxic. Injectable or transdermal Dbol version will just skip the first pass, that does reduce liver stress a bit, but not enough to really make much difference IMO.
Besides, I'm personally completely fed up with transdermals after using years Testogel for my TRT.
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Methylation of oral steroids is ironically also what makes them so effective. A non-methylated version of Dbol would be pretty mild in terms of gains. All non-methyls out there generally need dosed very high to see much at all from them
Proviron in non methylated. Is it not effective? it just takes more mgs and more frequent dosing. I still that would be a better choice.
Proviron is more about making everything else effective (to my understanding). I haven't ran it myself, but I'm under the impression that its very mild in terms of gains and side effects (characteristic of all nonmethyls)
Proviron won't produce very much muscle at all, but that's the compound, not that it isn't methylized.
Guys,
I may be completely wrong here, but I thought that boldenone and dianabol were identical except that dianabol is 17aa and boldenone generally has an ester to make it oil soluble. I have come across boldenone suspension or BNE (boldenone no ester) which is water soluble.
Given that BNE and dianabol differ only in the fact that dbol is 17aa, doesn't this imply that the 17aa does more than just enable dbol to survive oral ingestion, but also dramatically changes the effects of the steroid, hence the different feeling one gets on dbol vs boldenone. By extension, surely this means that one cannot have dbol without the 17aa?
Like I said I may be completely wrong here. If I am wrong please could someone educate me and tell me exactly what the difference is between boldenone without the ester and dbol aside from the 17aa? I have been quite curious about this as it implies that 17aa does more than make a steroid cabals of surviving oral ingestion.
I may be completely wrong here, but I thought that boldenone and dianabol were identical except that dianabol is 17aa and boldenone generally has an ester to make it oil soluble. I have come across boldenone suspension or BNE (boldenone no ester) which is water soluble.
Given that BNE and dianabol differ only in the fact that dbol is 17aa, doesn't this imply that the 17aa does more than just enable dbol to survive oral ingestion, but also dramatically changes the effects of the steroid, hence the different feeling one gets on dbol vs boldenone. By extension, surely this means that one cannot have dbol without the 17aa?
Like I said I may be completely wrong here. If I am wrong please could someone educate me and tell me exactly what the difference is between boldenone without the ester and dbol aside from the 17aa? I have been quite curious about this as it implies that 17aa does more than make a steroid cabals of surviving oral ingestion.
gatemoney
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Proviron has an absorption rate of less than 3%. So if you want useless d-bol go for it.
I don't really know what to think about your question. it's like you're trying to bait stupid people into an argument based ignorance.
I have a feeling that this will just lead to a sales pitch about a new product, you've tried to imitate d-bol in the past and failed.
I don't really know what to think about your question. it's like you're trying to bait stupid people into an argument based ignorance.
I have a feeling that this will just lead to a sales pitch about a new product, you've tried to imitate d-bol in the past and failed.
Why are you being a dick? It was a valid point. And an interesting one, I thought. And then you make an accusation? And call the members stupid?
And when did I try to imitate d-bol?!?!? THAT is stupid.
Sounds like you've made up your mind you don't like it around here. You're more than welcome to leave. If you plan on talking out of your ass and making more posts like that one, please do.
Similar is not the same. ALL steroids are based off of the testosterone molecule but obviously they all don;t behave like testosterone. And remember, EQ is a vet drug. They make liquid d-bol for vet purposes too. If it were the same thing, why bother with calling it something else? it's obviously got some differences and how one feels on it is the biggest. And that is not due to the fact that it's 17 AA.
northernknight
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Like Nelson said...
Though you are right that 17-AA/Methylation does have an effect on of steroid properties. There's just no way to know how adding or removing methylbond will change the effects of any certain steroid without additional testing done.
For example after methylation, Methylrienolone has so high binding affinity to AR that it's often used as a "benchmark" in studies testing how strongly other Androgens bind to AR. IOW adding 17-Methyl group to Trenbolone raised its already very high binding to AR to "as high as it gets".
Methylation can alter pretty much every aspect of steroid, so it's impossible to say how Dbol would turn out without it, except that it would be less bio available taken orally.
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digit0x
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This question comes up periodically and no one really can answer, or perhaps the question is asked wrong.
In profiles, people often describe the two as:
If, Dbol - 17aa = Boldenone
Then, Boldenone + 17aa = Dbol
One can draw conclusions from this relationship that don't make sense.
gatemoney
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